Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

[Mark Quayle]

There are great lies and deceptions spreading. Belief in aliens is a small matter in comparison to other deceptions spreading.

Isn't THAT the truth! It isn't like this is suddenly a new-found threat!

 

[The Liturgist]

Isn't THAT the truth! It isn't like this is suddenly a new-found threat!

Indeed. The great Russian Orthodox monastic convert of the late 20th century, who went from a life of homosexual debauchery in the North Shore* of San Francisco in the 1950s to a life of holy celibacy, later serving as the abbot and cofounder of the St. Herman of Alaska monastery in Platina, in Northern California not far from the Oregon stateline, wrote a book which addressed the UFOs, UFO cults, Hinduism, yogis, and New Age religion more generally, called Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, shortly before his repose from stomach cancer in 1980.

If you’ve viewed any of the recent excellent docuseries on New Age cults, Indian fakir-gurus and so on, such as Netflix’s acclaimed Wild Wild Country on the cult of the Bhagwan Rajneesh, or Osho as he later styled himself, whose followers purchased a fleet of over 90 Rolls Royce sedans for him, and orchestrated the first known bioterror attack in the United States in the Dalles, Oregon, and also exploited and surreptitiously drugged thousands of homeless people, or the recent documentaries on NXIVM and the Heaven’s Gate cult on HBO, or the documentaries on Bikram Yoga and the sexual abuses committed by their founder, or the large number of documentaries by former scientologists like Leah Rimini, and filmmakers such as Louis Theroux, on Scientology (Scientology and the Aftermath, My Scientology Movie, and Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief) it is remarkable the extent to which the warnings Fr. Seraphim made about New Age cults, during a time when everyone else was obsessing over other aspects of the occult which turned out to be phantoms, especially in the “Satanic Panic” of the late 80s.

And on that note, Oprah Winfrey, who hosted sensationalist shows on the subject of Satanism (and there are actual Satanic cults which are real and dangerous, but most people are instinctively repelled by them; they are more of a risk to angry young people who vacillate between atheism and misotheism), made large amounts of money promoting New Age “spirituality” and indeed her show arguably became a televangelistic cult in its own right promoting a New Age-flavored Moral Therapeutic Deism, with dangerous guests like Deepak Chopra, who uses his Medical Doctorate (he is no longer licensed to practice) to sell faith-healing and other non-treatments, and her media empire continues to profit unethically from these practices.

And Fr. Seraphim Rose, based on his own experience of the counterculture, his scholarly work on the subject of Nihilism, which was the subject of his thesis, and his observations of the trajectory of the New Age in the 1970s, extrapolated and projected all of this, not prophetically (the Russian Orthodox do not view him as an Ellen White style figure) but rationally, based on the data he had, and his specific warnings about UFO cults, for example, we see were justified based on the Heaven’s Gate mass suicide and the flourishing UFO cult scene centered around conventions (prior to the pandemic), Coast to Coast AM, and places like Sedona and Ojai. The demise of the X Files and the end of the 90s and the emergence of more frightening things took away some of the more immediately dangerous elements of that subculture, however, there was an escapist appeal.

*The North Shore was the Castro Street or the West Coast equivalent to Greenwich Village, SoHo, or the Soho neighborhood in London, of the 1950s: home to both the sexual deviants and the other impending moral countercultural problem, the Beatniks, who were basically proto-Hippies and played a leadership role in the Hippie community due to their slightly more advanced age. Very few people escaped that quicksand, and even fewer who suffered from sexual deviancy, so Fr. Seraphim was greatly blessed.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Sept 2019 the U.S. Navy confirms existence of UFOs with hard evidence including visual sightings over a period of years -- and also tracking them on radar as well as engaging them in arial maneuver (dog fights) where they are not firing on anything just trying to follow/track it.

Does your view of Christianity view this as a threat to Christianity? a threat to evangelism in the context of a public being informed that UFO's are real and not merely swamp gas? Or will it increase the ability to evangelize the public in favor of Christianity in your view?

Many people who have been discussing this idea for a long time ... claim that publicly admitting to it would be a problem for Christianity.

(After 12 pages -- I am coming to this conclusion -- 2 minutes ago #235
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Look at this post -- Monday at 7:32 PM #161 (CBS Inside Edition)
And this one -- Wednesday at 10:12 PM #190 (History)

CNN Sept 2019..

May 2019 ABC News GoodMorningAm George Stephanopoulos, Chris Mellon interview with lots of vid
2:35 What are you seeing?.. What I am seeing and what the experts we have brought in to view these tapes are seeing is something that is frankly baffling

• "It’s hard to understand – how do these vehicles maintain lift
• "How are they propelled? There are no wing surfaces and there is no exhaust.
• "So there’s nothing that we are familiar with that we have deployed in the air that has a power source other than fuel .. chemical energy power source.
• "These are so radically different than anything we are familiar with and their performance is so advanced and so sophisticated it is baffling (3:11)

– 4:35 "how do you explain all this full disclosure yet no reaction??

Christopher Mellon: former United States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (the third highest intelligence position at the The Pentagon) and later for Security and Information Operations. He formerly served as the Staff Director of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

--Fox news 00:00 Sep 19 starts with Navy official acknowledgement Sept 2019
00:35 this seems like a “change” in the way govt/navy is addressing the topic
1:25 so US Govt admitting … this is watershed moment.. but not getting public reaction? Why?

History Channel – all 3 primary DOD videos - source of videos finally identified (see 2 minute point in this next video)

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compilation -
ufo news 2019 Nov - Bing video

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How all this news - came about - in the first place.

3:15 len: Fox News Christopher Mellon May 2019

00:25“we know UFOs exist
02:13 – History channel clip from unexplained.
03:00 operating in and around military installations
- intelligently controlled vehicles
- Safety issues - near mid-air collision with our military pilots
- US Sovereignty being violated by vehicles of unknown origin

============================= burden of proof has shifted.
As of 2019 --

Michio Kaku 0:39 seconds burden of proof shifts to UFO denier. “Game changer” fox news post it

Michio Kaku on US Navy UFO Confirmation - " The Evidence is Overwhelming"

0:54 “What has changed what is different now? We witnessing a tipping point ..the burden of proof has changed” It is now on those who want to make the case that UFOs are not what we are seeing. (Sept 2019)

Michio Kaku:
American theoretical physicist... professor of theoretical physics in the City College of New York and CUNY Graduate Center. ... He has written the New York Times best sellers: Physics of the Impossible (2008)


But what are the odds that 15 to 20 years ago we and the russians and the Chinese had drones going 20 times the speed of sound and would not generate a sonic boom as they did so?
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Consider this

1. We never say "swamp gas is not authorized to be in U.S. airspace"
2. We never say "swamp gas is a national security and safety problem"
3. we never say "incursion into our air space by some kind of aerial vehicle" is the kind of infraction that swamp gas is guilty of doing.

And yet... we have this.

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From: Navy Confirms UFO Videos Are Real and Show Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

Navy Confirms UFO Videos Are Real and Show Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
HISTORY

VIEW: Declassified: UFOs Captured on Video by U.S. Fighter Pilots

The news that the Navy considers the three videos—unofficially known as “FLIR1,” “Gimbal” and “GoFast”—as examples of UAPs first appeared on The Black Vault, a web site that specializes in declassified government documents. “FLIR1” is from November 14, 2004, and “Gimbal” and “GoFast” are from January 21, 2015. Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, emphasized to HISTORY that these videos represent only some of the UAP sightings the Navy is investigating.

“Those three videos are just part of a larger effort by the U.S. Navy to try and investigate a series of incursions into our training ranges by phenomena that we’re calling unidentified aerial phenomena,” says Gradisher, who declined to say how many sightings there have been. “Our aviators train as they fight. So when they’re out there training, if there’s an incursion by any kind of aerial vehicle phenomena, whatever, it puts the safety of our aviators at risk as well as the security of our training operations.”

READ MORE: Are UFOs a Threat to National Security? This Ex-U.S. Official Thinks They Warrant Investigation

To be clear, the Navy is not saying that these videos show evidence of alien life. Rather, the Navy is saying it can’t identify the phenomena in the videos. The Navy considers UAPs like these a national security and safety problem because they are not authorized to be in U.S. airspace. After a series of classified briefings featuring Navy pilots and lawmakers this summer, the Navy announced it had formalized its process for pilots and other personnel to report UAPs so that records of these sightings are more consistent, and therefore easier to investigate.

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Regarding this post -- Monday at 7:32 PM #161 (CBS Inside Edition)
we have.
1. No flight control surfaces
2. Bounces when it changes direction like a ping pong ball bouncing off a board
3. Rapid 2 to 3 second acceleration to mach 28 past horizon - then back in a few seconds hovering again.
4. Accelerate through Mach 20, Mach 28 speeds without triggering sonic booms
5. Easily out maneuvers top of the line jet fighters.
6. Unauthorized incursions into our air space and we don't fire on them or do anything to inform them they are not authorized. They operate with impunity.

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A history of documented above-top-secret classification regarding this topic
10 Shocking Statements about UFOs by Scientists and Government Officials | Mysterious Universe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...os-are-real-navy-says-please-stop-saying-ufo/

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Update April 2020
Those "announcements" above were all from 2019.. but now in 2020 -- April - the DOD has come out to "remind us" that they already told us all this and that it is all "legit".

Statement by the Department of Defense on the Release of Historical Navy Videos > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Release


Pentagon declassifies three UFO videos taken by US Navy pilots

Sorry I am late to the party......
NO, it provides an oppertunity to talk about the heavenly relm

 

[BobRyan]

These events, even any admitting by government officials of the existence of aliens, is nothing but a prep for the coming pseudo-Christ to play Christ in Jerusalem for the end. That pseudo-Christ will be Satan himself, de facto, in person, here on earth, as Satan also has the image of a man.

Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

2 Thess 2 says he shows up with power, signs, false wonders, deception of wickedness...
2 Thess 2:
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

Matt 24:
23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Rev 13:
3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast,

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So then a master illusionist with 1/3 of the angels of heaven - fallen as he is himself - showing up with Power, signs and false wonders... what "story could he NOT tell as if it were true?"

 

[FredVB]

Mistrust of science and trusting belief in conspiracies that are not proven is also deception, that has spread, and all that is not harmless either. It is involved preceding the fall and collapse of Mystery Babylon.

 

[Davy]

2 Thess 2 says he shows up with power, signs, false wonders, deception of wickedness...
2 Thess 2:
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

Matt 24:
23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Rev 13:
3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast,

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So then a master illusionist with 1/3 of the angels of heaven - fallen as he is himself - showing up with Power, signs and false wonders... what "story could he NOT tell as if it were true?"

Thing is, Satan is coming to earth as himself when Revelation 12:7-9 happens in our near future. That event is what his servants here on earth is preparing the whole world for, to receive him in place of Christ. Most do not understand nor believe God's Word about angels that are able to appear here on earth with the image of man (Genesis 19). So they default to the Jew's thinking of materialism, i.e., that there really is no spiritual realm or spiritual beings that live in a different dimension behind the veil of this earthly one. Did you know that some Jews actually believe that God and the angels dwell in the literal atmospheric 'sky' around the earth, which is part of this material dimension? That's the 'heaven' they believe God's Word is talking about when The Bible is pointing to the heavenly dimension which is not part of this earthly material universe at all.

 

[BobRyan]

Mistrust of science and trusting belief in conspiracies that are not proven is also deception, .

only in cases where science is accurate. one key feature of science is the agility to admit to huge blunders over time and turn from them. Those who marry their religion to some past or present blunder in science only to have science admit to the flaw at a later point - have a very "plastic" religion. That works well for science but not well at all for religion.

 

[BobRyan]

Thing is, Satan is coming to earth as himself when Revelation 12:7-9 happens in our near future. That event is what his servants here on earth is preparing the whole world for, to receive him in place of Christ. Most do not understand nor believe God's Word about angels that are able to appear here on earth with the image of man (Genesis 19).

That is true as a future event as we see in 2 Thess 2:1-10 and Rev 13... but Rev 12:7-16 is about the past including the dark ages.

 

[Davy]

That is true as a future event as we see in 2 Thess 2:1-10 and Rev 13... but Rev 12:7-16 is about the past including the dark ages.

You might have been told... that Rev.12:7-16 is past history, but it is not. Here's why:

Revelation 12:7-17 all go together, and have these points:

1. Rev.12:8-9 tells us no more place in Heaven is found for the 'dragon' and his angels at that point. Many miss this point, but it is very telling of the timing of that. We know Satan's original rebellion and casting out of old still allowed him movement between Heaven and earth, as per the Book of Job, Satan appeared before God's Throne in Heaven. And Satan is the king over the bottomless pit, the abode of the wicked, haides, he is over, which also is in the heavenly dimension.

And per God's Holy Writ, there are only TWO separate dimensions of existence, this earthly we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels live, behind an invisible veil. That also is where Satan's abode is too right now. But when Revelation 12:8 happens, Satan, that old serpent, and dragon, is literally cast down to this earth with his angels, where we are, IN OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION.

2. Revelation 12:10 then tells us there finally is peace in Heaven, because of Satan no more being allowed there to accuse us before God, like he did Job. And because "the power of Christ" is mentioned coming in Heaven then, that places this time of Satan's casting out for the END of this world, and not in any time in the past. It is this... event of Revelation 12:7-9, that Lord Jesus was actually pointing to in John 12:31 and John 14:30.

3. Revelation 12:11, about those who overcame by the blood of The Lamb, is about the 5th Seal of Revelation 6. Saints under the Altar in Heaven ask God how long before He executes judgment upon the earth, and He tells them to wait a little while until their brethren on earth are also killed as they were, for their Testimony. That persecution of the saints did not end with past history, it's still going on today. It will especially culminate with the saints that are killed at the end during the tribulation for refusing to bow to the coming Antichrist beast king.

4. Revelation 12:13-17 is a "great tribulation" timing with that pointing to the latter 3.5 years of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (in Daniel 9:27). That is when the "little horn" (Antichrist, i.e., dragon) comes to blaspheme God and His saints (with the waters AS a flood out of his mouth), going after the symbolic 'woman' on earth, i.e., God's elect Church who keep His commandments AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Footnote: the symbolic "woman" of Revelation 12 is about God's saved Church, all the way from OT times through His elect of Israel, and continued with scattered Israel that accepted The Gospel of Jesus Christ and became the western Christian nations of history. We don't call Christ's Church as Israel, but that is exactly what Christ's Church represents, as our Lord Jesus is KING of Israel, and is to sit upon David's throne, an earthly throne. SO... this symbolic "woman" in Revelation 12:17 especially... applies to us, Christ's Church today.

 

[BobRyan]

2. Revelation 12:10 then tells us there finally is peace in Heaven, because of Satan no more being allowed there to accuse us before God, like he did Job. And because "the power of Christ" is mentioned coming in Heaven then, that places this time of Satan's casting out for the END of this world, and not in any time in the past. It is this... event of Revelation 12:7-9, that Lord Jesus was actually pointing to in John 12:31 and John 14:30.

3. Revelation 12:11, about those who overcame by the blood of The Lamb, is about the 5th Seal of Revelation 6. Saints under the Altar in Heaven ask God how long before He executes judgment upon the earth, and He tells them to wait a little while until their brethren on earth are also killed as they were, for their Testimony. That persecution of the saints did not end with past history, it's still going on today. It will especially culminate with the saints that are killed at the end during the tribulation for refusing to bow to the coming Antichrist beast king.

4. Revelation 12:13-17 is a "great tribulation" timing with that pointing to the latter 3.5 years of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (in Daniel 9:27). .

All timelines in the Bible are internally contiguous so if you know the start date for the 70 weeks (490 years ) Dan 9 ... you also know the end point.

That is true of the 1260 years in Dan 7, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13 (it is that same 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints )... But in Rev 13 we see more persecution of the saints even after the 1260 years of dark ages.

The birth of Christ and His ascension into heaven is seen in Rev 12

5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for 1,260 days.

Shortly after that time is the 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints - the church in the wilderness.

But after the 1260 years - there is also the persecution mentioned in Rev 13 that has no time amount given to it.

 

[Jipsah]

Genesis 6 does not mention anything about fallen angels. No the stories of cross-species hybrid half-human beings. Let's be serious.

But Spacemen and Flying Saucers, on the other hand.... <Laugh>

 

[BobRyan]

But Spacemen and Flying Saucers, on the other hand.... <Laugh>

Farrr too advanced for Satan to master because...err... ummm.. "Jipsah typed <laugh> " ?? That's "a reason"??

 

[Jipsah]

Farrr too advanced for Satan to master because...err... ummm..

Satan may be able to flap his arms and fly to the moon, as well. No indication that he does, or wants to. "Satan could do that..." is an exercise in silliness.

"Jipsah typed <laugh> " ?? That's "a reason"??

At least as good as "Satan could [whatever]. Satan could probably dance a hornpipe on top of Mt.Everest if he was so inclined, but if you claim he did then you're gonna have to have some pretty compelling evidence to get anyone to believe it. Kinda like your Spacemen, or these other folks' dang-near-all-powerful "Nephilim". <Laugh>

 

[prodromos]

 

[Davy]

All timelines in the Bible are internally contiguous so if you know the start date for the 70 weeks (490 years ) Dan 9 ... you also know the end point.

That contiguous idea certainly is a huge fallacy. How much time is there between Christ's 1st coming and his future 2nd coming (which years are still going on today)?

That is true of the 1260 years in Dan 7, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13 (it is that same 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints )... But in Rev 13 we see more persecution of the saints even after the 1260 years of dark ages.

Trying to place that final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 back in the "dark ages" certainly is a fallacy also. The Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture is about the time of "great tribulation" that Jesus taught, which is actually the latter part of Daniel's symbolic "one week". That's what the 1260 days is, i.e., the tribulation at the END of this world. Why do I say at the very END of this world? Because at the end of the 1260 days is Christ's return to end this world (howbeit He said He shortened the time in Matthew 24).

The birth of Christ and His ascension into heaven is seen in Rev 12

5 And she gave birth to a Son, a male, who is going to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for 1,260 days.

Shortly after that time is the 1260 years of dark ages persecution of the saints - the church in the wilderness.

But after the 1260 years - there is also the persecution mentioned in Rev 13 that has no time amount given to it.

The first 5 verses of Revelation 12 act as a summary, from the time of Satan's original rebellion in the old world with a beast kingdom that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns, and then all the way to Christ's future Millennial reign with the promised "rod of iron". That does not mean the whole Chapter is about the early Bible history. Even the OT Books of God's prophets have timelines between past, present, and future that jump back and forth very quickly. So one must pay attention. No different in Christ's Revelation. At Revelation 12:6 the timeline jumps forward.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
All timelines in the Bible are internally contiguous so if you know the start date for the 70 weeks (490 years ) Dan 9 ... you also know the end point.

That contiguous idea certainly is a huge fallacy.

That's the nature of timelines as it turns out. If you know the start point and duration you know the en point "by definition" when it comes to timelines.

How much time is there between Christ's 1st coming and his future 2nd coming

There is no timeline for that -- with a start point and a duration. Choose something on the subject of timelines for your example.

Trying to place that final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 back in the "dark ages"

Given that the beginning of the 70th week (end of 69th week) of years is the first coming of Christ 27.A.D. start of his ministry - it would not be logical to try and toss the 70th week into the dark ages.

Again - this is simple straightforward concept of a timeline.

. The Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture is about the time of "great tribulation"

It is the 1260 years of dark ages that followed the time of Christ starting in the 6th century and ending in the 18th century. No other time of persecution of the saints would be as long. It is unique in that way.

the end of the 1260 days is Christ's return to end this world (howbeit He said He shortened the time in Matthew 24).

No text says that the end of the 1260 years marks the 2nd coming date.

The first 5 verses of Revelation 12 act as a summary, from the time of Satan's original rebellion in the old world with a beast kingdom that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns

The first beast of Rev 13 is a composite of all the beasts in Daniel 7 because all those empires were in the past at that point.

The dragon beast of Rev 12 is the devil and his actions to kill Christ as his birth (via the pagan Roman Empire) is described first in that chapter.

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

The dragon with ten horns is referencing the 4th beast of Dan 7 - with ten horns -- the pagan Roman empire which tried to kill Christ at his birth - and Satan was behind all of that.

5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

The Christian church had to flee from persecution.

 

[BobRyan]

Satan may be able to flap his arms and fly to the moon, as well.

Angels travel between Earth and heaven all the time - read Dan 9 and be informed by it's statement in that regard.

 

[BobRyan]

"Jipsah typed <laugh> " ?? That's "a reason"??

At least as good as "Satan could [whatever].

Now see this is where I think that Satan's capabilities are far more substantive than "Jipsah typed <laugh> " -- Apparently we differ on that point - and that is fine with me. I am just glad to see our difference so easily laid out for all to read.


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Now back to the topic of this thread.

 

[Jipsah]

C'mon, mate, nobody wants a boring mundane explanation of spooky phenomena. They want signs and wonders from Satan his own self. If it turns out that it was some prosaic workaday thing misidentified, or a glitch in the technology, or some kind of yawned like that, who want to believe it? We want aliens! We want starships! We want scary Spacemen, with ray guns and James Earl Jones voices! Don't tell me the alien spaceship I saw was a Boeing 737 Max, or that the UFO that followed my car for 50 miles was the moon. I know better! It was demons! You can't fool me! I see aliens! Everywhere!

 

[Jipsah]

Angels travel between Earth and heaven all the time - read Dan 9 and be informed by it's statement in that regard.

Well there you have it, then! Satan can do anything at all that you'd care to attribute to him, or explain any other way. What a handy guy old Nick is!