Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

[gzt]

Yet there's a wealth of statistics and information pointing to the vaccines correlating to a large rise in mortalities and injuries since just March of this year.

This is simply misinformation.

 

[Dorothea]

yes, and many others. Including Elder Efthymios from Mount Athos if the recent video I saw is truly a missive he just released. He is the spiritual child of St. Paisios and most notable ascetic on Mount Athos today. He just recently sent out a warning about this gene modifying experimental treatment called a “vaccine”.

I am a nobody, and a great sinner at best. But working as an ER doc, living on the front lines of this crisis, and now seeing what these vaccines are doing, I can only say that from my personal experience and knowledge, I’d rather have the virus than the vaccine. Of course, I am saying this personally as a person younger than 65 with no serious medical problems. I can see why some with very serious medical conditions may opt to take. But with the virus, there are after all effective treatments available. Unfortunately, these treatments are being suppressed, and such a coordinated suppression can possibly, if not likely, mean it is done so intentionally and with malfeasance. Instead, an experimental gene therapy treatment is being hailed and in some instances, mandated, even while effective cheap medicines and vitamins have demonstrated incredible results.

My brothers and sisters, there is something seriously wrong.

Most recently, an article in the NEJM just revealed (even as they tried to bury and ignore the results), that those pregnant females who had the vaccine in the first 2 trimesters of pregnancy miscarried at a rate of 82%!! That is horrific!

This should be worldwide news, and in more sane times, this alone would have caused a worldwide halt in offering vaccines to pregnant women. Meanwhile, the main Obstetrical organization in the US is recommending the exact opposite, that all pregnant women should receive the vaccine.

The fact that this miscarriage rate is not worldwide news should have any reasonable person question the narrative that is being coordinated and weaved by the many agencies, corporations, and governments across the globe.

I agree. I saw and heard that article and its results on the HighWire, who is a consumer health advocacy group. When I had some extra money to donate to g to them, I had. Hopefully I will again in the near future. They’re helping to protect people, especially children, against unsafe medicines and vaccines and mandated laws like the one passed in DC last year where parents are no longer notified or asked to give permission for their children as young as 11 to get a vaccine of any type. Parental consent is out. Terrible bill that passed that most people weren’t even aware of. They work to sue and overturn such laws. Will see what happens with that one.

 

[obscura]

This is simply misinformation.

Care to state why, or provide any evidence to the contrary?

All I know is, I would rather utilize my own immune system to combat a virus with a 99% survival rate, rather than fall victim to any number of possible injuries, or death, from an experimental gene therapy injection that is literally still in an on-going trial that does not complete until 2023.

 

[pescador]

Care to state why, or provide any evidence to the contrary?

All I know is, I would rather utilize my own immune system to combat a virus with a 99% survival rate, rather than fall victim to any number of possible injuries, or death, from an experimental gene therapy injection that is literally still in an on-going trial that does not complete until 2023.

What makes you think that your immune system can successfully combat COVID-19? 4,000,000 people have died globally; US: 611,000. They probably thought they were immune also (if they even had access to the vaccine).

How about measles, mumps, rubella, polio, smallpox, shingles, and others? Are you immune to those diseases also?

 

[obscura]

What makes you think that your immune system can successfully combat COVID-19? 4,000,000 people have died globally; US: 611,000. They probably thought they were immune also (if they even had access to the vaccine).

How about measles, mumps, rubella, polio, smallpox, shingles, and others? Are you immune to those diseases also?

Because it already has.

Because I don't have any co-morbidities or pre-existing diseases like many of the Covid-related deaths did. Not to mention the overwhelming cases of inflated death numbers, where everything from a heart attack to a car accident was marked down as a "Covid-related" death.

Inb4 "conspiracy theorist".

 

[pescador]

Because it already has.

Because I don't have any co-morbidities or pre-existing diseases like many of the Covid-related deaths did. Not to mention the overwhelming cases of inflated death numbers, where everything from a heart attack to a car accident was marked down as a "Covid-related" death.

Inb4 "conspiracy theorist".

Is this why you joined Christian forums? Sorry, but I believe what the vast majority of information says about this deadly virus instead of your misinformation.

If there is any truth to what you say, prove it.

 

[obscura]

Is this why you joined Christian forums?

No. But what does my personal reasons for joining this forum have to do with my statements and responses to this particular topic?

Sorry, but I believe what the vast majority of information says about this deadly virus instead of your misinformation.

What did I say that was misinformation?

If there is any truth to what you say, prove it.

I think I just backed up my past few statements with some evidence. I don't want to end up devolving into a full-blown debate about it, but if you want to discuss it in PM, we can.

 

[Fr. Appletree]

What makes you think that your immune system can successfully combat COVID-19? 4,000,000 people have died globally; US: 611,000. They probably thought they were immune also (if they even had access to the vaccine).

How about measles, mumps, rubella, polio, smallpox, shingles, and others? Are you immune to those diseases also?

The U.S. numbers are hyper-inflated by the CDC's unilateral and illegal modification of data practices in violation of the Information Quality Act and other laws.

And due to these, the numbers can't be directly compared to the rates for any other disease. Why? Because of category violation - a basic principle of logic is being violated. X=/=Y. Inches =/=centimeters. Apples =/= oranges.

 

[pescador]

No. But what does my personal reasons for joining this forum have to do with my statements and responses to this particular topic?



What did I say that was misinformation?



I think I just backed up my past few statements with some evidence. I don't want to end up devolving into a full-blown debate about it, but if you want to discuss it in PM, we can.

No thanks. I have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 as recommended by the vast majority of health professionals in this country. I am confident that I will live out my full life span and not die from a preventable virus.

I wish the same for you, but I will not discuss this subject with you.

 

[obscura]

No thanks. I have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 as recommended by the vast majority of health professionals in this country. I am confident that I will live out my full life span and not die from a preventable virus.

I wish the same for you, but I will not discuss this subject with you.

Fair enough.

I'd just like to point out that the appeal to popular opinion is a logical fallacy, and that there have been plenty of health professionals who have recommended refraining from taking the vaccine.

 

[ArmyMatt]

just a reminder but you are posting in TAW, so it's not the place for non-Orthodox to debate each other

 

[Dorothea]

No thanks. I have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 as recommended by the vast majority of health professionals in this country. I am confident that I will live out my full life span and not die from a preventable virus.

I wish the same for you, but I will not discuss this subject with you.

I'm sorry. I cringe every time I hear "fully vaccinated against Covid-19". We should be honest here, as even Fauci said there's no evidence getting that shot stops infection or transmission. He stated (and I'm not a fan of his, but so many act as if he's the public health god, so I am using him as an example) that it helps lessen the symptoms of Covid. That is it. So you have had shots to help lessen any symptoms should you contract Covid. That is all.

 

[Lukaris]

I am vaccinated and I find it interesting that the creed of the world religion has “science is real” as it’s 1st article. If so, then strict immigration control, shutdowns, & masks are necessary and the primary examples of this are New Zealand & Australia.


Conservatives oppose masks & restrictions within national borders. Leftists, radicals, democrat dupes etc. support mass immigration and perpetual riots and contradict the first article of the world religion creed worse than conservatives do.

Magnetic Bumper Sticker Science is real Black lives matter | Etsy

 

[pescador]

Fair enough.

I'd just like to point out that the appeal to popular opinion is a logical fallacy, and that there have been plenty of health professionals who have recommended refraining from taking the vaccine.

Plenty of health professionals? I won't discuss this with you any longer, since you can't face facts. Or won't.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

If the pandemic disease were so deadly there needn't be vaccine virtue signaling. It'd be so obvious that there wouldn't be skeptics. So, one begins to question: "How could there be skeptics if the media told me this disease is so obviously deadly to all?" And the skeptics ask: "How could there be compliance when the news reporting doesn't match what my eyes are seeing?" The existence of either side leads to cognitive dissonance in the other, and both sides feel the need to engage in a quasi-religious debate. And once more, the world finds another way to divide the people. Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated. Jew vs Non-Jew. Black vs White. Etc. Etc.

 

[truefiction1]

Matthew 10:28

 

[HIM]

Last week, Met. Hilarion essentially said anyone who doesn't get vaxxed is stupid. "Unfortunately, there's no vaccination against stupidity," he said.

That is more said than he or any should say.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

While I completely respect your opinion, Antoni, my wife as an RN and now Nurse Practitioner and her coworkers who watched the covid plague fill the hospital, kill coworkers, and leave lasting side effects heartily disagrees. I don't know anyone in my life from family to friends to coworkers to acquaintances around town to my entire parish, priest, etc. who has had any problems with the vaccination.

I think the problem we have in 2021 is that there is so much deceit all around us at every side from every industry that we just don't know who to believe anymore. In 2021 we have an actual lack of ability to agree on a rainy day. We can't find common anything. And in my humble opinion, we're bound for something dark and scary on the horizon.

yes, and many others. Including Elder Efthymios from Mount Athos if the recent video I saw is truly a missive he just released. He is the spiritual child of St. Paisios and most notable ascetic on Mount Athos today. He just recently sent out a warning about this gene modifying experimental treatment called a “vaccine”.

I am a nobody, and a great sinner at best. But working as an ER doc, living on the front lines of this crisis, and now seeing what these vaccines are doing, I can only say that from my personal experience and knowledge, I’d rather have the virus than the vaccine. Of course, I am saying this personally as a person younger than 65 with no serious medical problems. I can see why some with very serious medical conditions may opt to take. But with the virus, there are after all effective treatments available. Unfortunately, these treatments are being suppressed, and such a coordinated suppression can possibly, if not likely, mean it is done so intentionally and with malfeasance. Instead, an experimental gene therapy treatment is being hailed and in some instances, mandated, even while effective cheap medicines and vitamins have demonstrated incredible results.

My brothers and sisters, there is something seriously wrong.

Most recently, an article in the NEJM just revealed (even as they tried to bury and ignore the results), that those pregnant females who had the vaccine in the first 2 trimesters of pregnancy miscarried at a rate of 82%!! That is horrific!

This should be worldwide news, and in more sane times, this alone would have caused a worldwide halt in offering vaccines to pregnant women. Meanwhile, the main Obstetrical organization in the US is recommending the exact opposite, that all pregnant women should receive the vaccine.

The fact that this miscarriage rate is not worldwide news should have any reasonable person question the narrative that is being coordinated and weaved by the many agencies, corporations, and governments across the globe.

 

[Taodeching]

I think the problem we have in 2021 is that there is so much deceit all around us at every side from every industry that we just don't know who to believe anymore. In 2021 we have an actual lack of ability to agree on a rainy day. We can't find common anything. And in my humble opinion, we're bound for something dark and scary on the horizon.

I think another huge problem is the internet and social media, it allows countless lies and falsehoods to be spread by normal joes who really don't know much. All that has just ruined things and with all the bad (like all the lies) there is not much good to the internet and social media.

 

[buzuxi02]

YAWN.. If you catch covid and die, regardless if you've been vaccinated or not, its on you.
Stop blaming your neighbors. When I caught chicken pox I didn't blame my siblings or my classmates. When I catch a cold I don't blame my coworker. If you catch a sexually transmitted disease it's on you unless, you find out it's from a cheating spouse.
It's amazing how everyone goes "Mediterranean" and starts blaming their neighbor for giving them the "evil eye". It's on you not the stranger walking down the street.