Salvation vs : service.

[Sidon]

Thats a very elementary understanding of the biblical meaning of repentance.

To repent from unbelief, is real repentance toward GOD, that is "Faith in Christ".

What you do, is try to repent to stay saved, thinking that a life of repenting is "christianity".
That is your denomination that taught you that, fallacy/heresy.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God's logic is never clear when you want to save yourself.

This is why, "all who believe shall be saved"......is not what you want to hear.

Now notice this..

A person who has believed......
They did this only once.
They TRULY BELIEVED in Christ. ONCE......and God sees this FAITH in their Heart, and He gives them the New Birth, and they are SAVED.
See that believing? It happens ONCE.......and its proven that a person did believe, ONCE, because they are BORN AGAIN, once by God's Spirit.

All that happens only once.

If you are born only once, you end up in hell.
If you are born twice, you end up in heaven.

Jesus said some will believe for a while then they will fall away.

“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So stop trying to save yourself by believing. Lol

 

[BNR32FAN]

To repent from unbelief, is real repentance toward GOD, that is "Faith in Christ".

What you do, is try to repent to stay saved, thinking that a life of repenting is "christianity".
That is your denomination that taught you that, fallacy/heresy.

Yeah which denomination is that? Tell us all just so we can know that you have some idea of what your talking about.

 

[Sidon]

Jesus said some will believe for a while then they will fall away.

yes.
they had not "root".
This is the "root of jesse". Isaiah 11
This is the Root Himself, who is Jesus The Christ.

So, if you have no "root", you have no "Christ in you".

 

[Ligurian]

Sidon said
"All you had before the Cross was Moses Law and commandments.
The "Sermon on the Mouth" has no Christ on the Cross, so that isn't the "Gospel" that Paul teaches as "my Gospel", in the "Time of the Gentiles"."

Thank you.
Does "Moses Law and commandments" include the "sermon on the mount"?
Law = commandments, so you must mean Jesus' commandments, correct?


Galatians 2:7-9

Not really, no. Because your posts are only your interpretation. You don't seem to feel the need to actually quote the words of God, because you don't seem to understand that the words themselves in their context are the things that matter. What you think about those words only matter to you. Nobody in their right mind is following a human who teaches for doctrines the commandments of men.

James 2:21-24, Kingdom Gospel



"All the apostles" couldn't preach what hadn't happened yet.
Matthew 28:18-20 says that they taught what Jesus taught.

The Way of the Resurrection

John 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither Thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

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I follow the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matthew 4:17, Matthew 4:23, Matthew 28:18-20

Well, you have the 10 commandments that Moses gave the Jews.
Then you have Jesus talking to Jews about commandments.
All of this is old covenant, as explained by this verse.

Revelation 7:4 = the Divided Kingdom, joined.

John 14:1-John 18:1 is being said to Jesus' Disciples and the Father. So all of these verses are for Jesus' 11, John 17:6 and for those who believe on Jesus through their word, John 17:20, Matthew 28:18-20.

Matthew 5:1-Matthew 7:28 is taught to Jesus' Disciples. And initially, it seems like Jesus climbed the mountain to get away from people which John 6:26 says came only for the food. But did the whole multitude climb the mountain with Jesus and His Disciples? The word for multitude at the end of this chapter 7 is translated people in the KJV. So what is the audience told to keep these Kingdom of Heaven Commandments? The Disciples, of course... but anyone else?

 

[Sidon]

Yeah which denomination is that?

The Denomination that taught you to believe that the blood of Jesus isn't God's eternal blood that redeems eternally.

They taught you to come on a "christian" forum and denounce the blood of God as only as good as you are.
They taught you that The Cross is real but its the self effort and the enduring and the commandment keeping that is your savior.....that gets you into heaven, if you do it.

Its that group.
That one.
See it?
I do.
You should leave that group.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You missed the part where i said that faith is broken, but salvation is not lost.

You can't lose salvation, as this is based on God giving a person a NEW BIRTH.
This can't be changed.

What a person can change is their FAITH.
They can start to have a faith that isn't right and once that happens, then their faith is broken, not their salvation.
A broken faith, is to "fall from Grace', to be "bewitched", and to be "in the Flesh", as Paul teaches .

Im truly at a loss for words here. Now we don’t have to have faith or grace to be saved.

 

[Sidon]

Revelation 7:4 = the Divided Kingdom, joined.

John 14:1-John 18:1 is being said to Jesus' Disciples and the Father. So all of these verses are for Jesus' 11, John 17:6 and for those who believe on Jesus through their word, John 17:20, Matthew 28:18-20.

Matthew 5:1-Matthew 7:28 is taught to Jesus' Disciples. And initially, it seems like Jesus climbed the mountain to get away from people which John 6:26 says came only for the food. But did the whole multitude climb the mountain with Jesus and His Disciples? The word for multitude at the end of this chapter 7 is translated people in the KJV. So what is the audience told to keep these Kingdom of Heaven Commandments? The Disciples, of course... but anyone else?

You have to see all verses that are "pre-Cross" in the Light of the Cross.


We can't use old covenant as an overlay on top of the New Testament.

They are not the same covenant.

The "gospel" is the word of God, but its a specific message, and its only one message. "Christ on the Cross", John 3:16

Consider the people that are reading my Threads.
They are hearing the Cross being Preached, while i teach them how to live the life of Power found in the renewed mind that is to walk in the Spirit.
So, im only teaching the Cross, which is the "power of God, unto salvation"< yet, im explaining how to exist in the Power of the Cross, as the renewed mind.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Denomination that taught you to believe that the blood of Jesus isn't God's eternal blood that redeems eternally.

They taught you to come on a "christian" forum and denounce the blood of God as only as good as you are.
They taught you that The Cross is real but its the self effort and the enduring and the commandment keeping that is your savior.....that gets you into heaven, if you do it.

Its that group.
That one.
See it?
I do.
You should leave that group.

Ahh yes that’s exactly my point, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about because my theology is my own. Hence the nondenominational category listed on my profile. Even my church doesn’t teach my theology.

 

[Sidon]

Im truly at a loss for words here. Now we don’t have to have faith or grace to be saved.

You truly are at a loss..
I agree.

Salvation is "grace through faith....>"the gift of Righteousness".

Its Free.
Jesus did all the work on the Cross.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Denomination that taught you to believe that the blood of Jesus isn't God's eternal blood that redeems eternally.

They taught you to come on a "christian" forum and denounce the blood of God as only as good as you are.
They taught you that The Cross is real but its the self effort and the enduring and the commandment keeping that is your savior.....that gets you into heaven, if you do it.

Its that group.
That one.
See it?
I do.
You should leave that group.

I bet your not even 25 years old and haven’t been studying the Bible for more than 3 years.

 

[Sidon]

Ahh yes that’s exactly my point, you have absolutely no idea what your talking about because my theology is my own. Hence the nondenominational category listed on my profile. Even my church doesn’t teach my theology.

You teach legalism., very simply.
That is nearly all denominations., theology.

So, at some point, you were taught the basics of "what i have to do, to not go to hell", and at that point, the Cross became secondary to your faith.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You truly are at a loss..
I agree.

Salvation is "grace through faith....>"the gift of Righteousness".

Its Free.
Jesus did all the work on the Cross.

But you just said that a person doesn’t need faith or grace to be saved.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You teach legalism., very simply.
That is nearly all denominations., theology.

So, at some point, you were taught the basics of "what i have to do, to not go to hell", and at that point, the Cross became secondary to your faith.

Ive never taught legalism any more than you teaching that a person must believe in order to be saved is legalism.

 

[Sidon]

I bet your not even 25 years old and haven’t been studying the Bible for more than 3 years.

If that were true, then i'd probably teach or believe, what you do.
As it is a characteristic of a brand new believer to try to keep themselves saved., as you do.

 

[Sidon]

Ive never taught legalism

You believe that you can lose your salvation, because you dont believe that the blood of Jesus keeps you saved.
So, when you dont Trust Christ to keep you saved, = you trust in YOU.
That's legalism, and you are the largest mouthpiece for it on this forum and on my Threads.

you've told us 2x on this forum that the blood of Jesus does not keep you saved.
So, then, who is left, ??????

 

[Sidon]

But you just said that a person doesn’t need faith or grace to be saved.

No, i said that faith is not the savior.

God is the Savior, on the Cross......>Its the BLOOD. and the DEATH., as proven by the Resurrection of Jesus The Lord.


faith does not save you.
God saves you , through faith.

 

[Ligurian]

John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

John 10:5-6 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which He spake unto them.

Matthew 13:10-11 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Yes, thats true.

The voice of Jesus is the word of God.
This same word is the seed that is incorruptible and is John 14:6. as explained in 1 John 3:9

The NT is mostly written by the person that teaches the most about The Cross, Salvation, Grace, the blood atonement, the finished work of Christ, redemption, justification, sanctification, etc.
And when you want to know anything about "the preaching of the Cross" or the Gospel, then you go to this same Apostle Paul. And when you want to know about Church Doctrine, you got directly to the same Apostle Paul. And when you want to learn all of this, you find a teacher like me who only teaches "Pauline Theology".

When "a teacher like me who only teaches "Pauline Theology".", quotes John 14:6 which is said only to Jesus Disciples before the cross, he's mistaken about what he teaches.

 

[Ligurian]

Self saving sounds like this....>"You can lose your salvation".

Galatians 2:7-9

Be faithful and Jesus will give you eternal life.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If that were true, then i'd probably teach or believe, what you do.
As it is a characteristic of a brand new believer to try to keep themselves saved., as you do.

No it’s been my experience that the believe only crowd are typically the new Christians.