How to walk in the Spirit.

[Hmm]

You sound like a couple of Catholics I know.

Why's that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's too bad that you don't understand John's writing. He is being gentle to those he's writing to so as not to come off as their superior.

1 John 1:3-10, "What we have seen and heard we announce to you too, so that you may have fellowship with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ).
Thus we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.

Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. [His gentle, teaching mode begins here] If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. [Is John a liar?] But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. [Again, is John a liar?] But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us. [Is John, the great apostle whom Jesus loved, saying that Jesus' word is not in in him?]

So you also think John is writing to unsaved people?

“I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake. I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children, because you know the Father. I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Sidon]

Hebrews 10:19 the same Hebrews the author is addressing in verse 26. Verse 26 is a hypothetical situation.

So, you think that Paul preaching to these Lost Jews....imploring them to not reject (willfully sin) their Messiah, is just a game of words? Just some imaginary script, some allegory?

Wake up.

 

[Sidon]

God gives us love, by the Spirit who is love, in place of our sin. .

If you were saying that as symbolic, then it would work, but you're not.

So, its not the love of God that redeemed the world from Sin, its the BLOOD of God.

 

[ozso]

Why's that?

Because that's the sort of thing I've heard Brad Jersak, David Hart, and Richard Rohr say. I almost forgot about Fr. Rohr.

 

[Sidon]

Where does Wikipedia say that 60% of the KJV derived from the Geneva Bible? Can you find that and quote it from Wikipedia?

I dont use commentaries, or "greek", or any of this..
So, you'll have to check out wiki for yourself.

 

[Sidon]

if you prefer to qualify faith as such. The bible doesn't put it that way though. Faith, hope, and love are separate items, with love being the most important.

What type of love?
Whose?

So, once again, you are equating human emotional love as Spiritual that is God's, "Agape".
Not a good idea.

 

[Hmm]

Because that's the sort of thing I've heard Brad Jersak, David Hart, and Richard Rohr say. I almost forgot about Fr. Rohr.

I'm not with you. What sort of thing?

 

[Sidon]

"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:9

Salvation is God's Blood, shed on the Cross as : John 3:16.

Does He give this to us so that we can return to the Old Covenant and try to keep the law?
NO.

"the law is the power of sin".
"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW".

 

[fhansen]

How does that make the possibility of an eternity of torment because you didn't do a good enough of a job keeping your salvation, reassuring?

And how about eternal torment just because you didn’t believe? On a fairness level that seems worse yet, and either way there’s an obligation placed upon us. The obligation to believe or else suffer eternally or the obligation to finally be righteous, as we come to believe, or else suffer eternally.

There’s a bigger picture to it all though. God is saying that, ‘Unless you choose love, embracing good over evil, you will exist eternally without it, without Me. But I’m patient, I work on showing you the reality and the beauty and necessity of love, drawing you towards it, towards Me, and give you every chance to accept.

And then I’ll judge you fairly, by your heart, knowing your history and every reason why you might find it more difficult to embrace the light than not. But I won’t force goodness upon you. If you prefer darkness, if you prefer cold, selfish pride over humble self-giving love, I’ll ultimately let you have what you want, which is existence without it, apart from Me.

But come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. I stand knocking at your door. Open it.'

 

[Sidon]

Furthermore in verse 26 the author even includes himself in the hypothetical situation of being capable of willful sin. Hence the words “IF WE”.

This word 'we" is the stumbling stone that causes all Legalists to use Hebrews as their way to deny the Grace of God.

I think ive spent more time on Forums, talking about this one verse, and this one Epistle, trying to lead self savers away from how this Epistle and also Matthew....as these 2 are used by the devil to ruin faith.
He also uses James.

All legalist's live in Hebrews, James, and Matthew, because these Epistles talk about Christ rejection, and the unskilled in the word, apply it to themselves, and often once this stronghold of "how i can lose my salvation" is imbedded in them, ...regarding these 3 Epistles, this stronghold is nearly impossible to break.
Satan uses these 3 epistle to empower the self righteousness in a believer, like a CHAIN of Deception.

 

[Sidon]

The differences between Koine Greek and Byzantine Greek can be compared to Middle English, like Shakespeare or the KJV, to modern English. It’s not a completely different language it’s just not as modern of a dialect.

Koine Greek.

The KJV is written on about a 5th Grade level.
The issue isn't that its hard to read, its that it has to be spiritually discerned.
When its not, you become lost in reasoning, which is the enemy of Faith.

 

[Sidon]

A non-sequitor to "Have you not read that love fulfills the law?" fhansen is right.

God is not looking for you to fulfill the Law, as He has already done that as Christ on the Cross.
He doesn't need you doing it.
He needs you receiving His Salvation as "the gift of righteousness", that He has earned by doing it for you.
He needs you to become "born again"., as Jesus said you "MUST".

 

[Hmm]

And how about eternal torment just because you didn’t believe? On a fairness level that seems worse yet, and either way there’s an obligation placed upon us. The obligation to believe or else suffer eternally or the obligation to finally be righteous, as we come to believe, or else suffer eternally.

There’s a bigger picture to it all though. God is saying that, ‘Unless you choose love, embracing good over evil, you will exist eternally without it, without Me. But I’m patient, I work on showing you the reality and the beauty and necessity of love, drawing you towards it, towards Me, and give you every chance to accept.

And then I’ll judge you fairly, by your heart, knowing your history and every reason why you might find it more difficult to embrace the light than not. But I won’t force goodness upon you. If you prefer darkness, if you prefer cold, selfish pride over humble self-giving love, I’ll ultimately let you have what you want, which is existence without it, apart from Me.’

I agree with that except I think the process continues after death - God eternally knocking and us potentially eternally refusing to open the door. I can't think of any scripture that supports this but this is the view of Rowan Williams - ex-Archbishop of Canterbury - and Desmond Tutu so I assume you can make a biblical case for it, although I imagine it is a minority view.

 

[fhansen]

Salvation is God's Blood, shed on the Cross as : John 3:16.

Does He give this to us so that we can return to the Old Covenant and try to keep the law?
NO.

"the law is the power of sin".
"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW".

I apologize if I've gotten short with you recently. Just saying. But I'll still say here that you're not getting it. One doesn't even need to hear the law, much less be under it, to sin and exclude themselves from the presence of God.

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law" Rom 2:12

 

[Sidon]

im always real, and im always truthful -- in your own eyes. People who read your posts have other opinions. And we're Christians.

I honestly dont care about anyone's "opinion".
If im trying to please man, how can i be trying to please God.
So...
You are welcome to yours.
Im only here to help sincere believers stop sinning and confessing, and learn to walk as "perfected".

So, when someone like you, who is sinning and confessing, can't even try to understand how to stop, and instead wants to stay there, vs listen to a good teacher show you how to not live in that failed discipleship......well, when your opinion matters to you more then learning how to stop sinning and confessing......

I'll leave you to your opinion, pescador.
np.

 

[Sidon]

No that’s not what’s happening at all.

Paul's gospel of the Cross, was rejected by those Hebrews, in Chapter 10 and in Chapter 28 of Acts
Paul even tells them in Acts 28, that He is taking the Gospel of the Cross to the Gentiles, because they will believe it.

 

[fhansen]

What type of love?
Whose?

So, once again, you are equating human emotional love as Spiritual that is God's, "Agape".
Not a good idea.

You haven't given a single reason for why you think I might be doing that.

 

[Sidon]

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law" Rom 2:12

You have no idea what this verse is talking about.
So, why post verses that you can't explain?
Are you trying to impress yourself by posting verses that you can't even understand, by discernment?
Listen, the only way to "perish" is this.....>John 3:36

 

[Sidon]

Galatians 2:7-9

You probably don't like the Septuagint either then, right? (shrug)

I use a Bible.

 

[Hmm]

So, when someone like you, who is sinning and confessing, can't even try to understand how to stop, and instead wants to stay there, vs listen to a good teacher show you how to not live in that failed discipleship...

Jesus did tell us not to judge others and that if we set ourselves up as a teacher, more will be expected of us. Just saying.