How to walk in the Spirit.

[Ligurian]

I assure you that if you don't have Christ in you, you will never be able to spiritually discern what is a Spiritual Book.

The division doesn't stop there: Galatians 2:7-9

Matthew 13:13 Context. 10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."

In other words, the Disciples who follow the Kingdom Gospel preached by Jesus are given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Why don't you believe your own Apostle to the Gentiles, Sidon?

 

[Sidon]

I must admit it is quite challenging to comprehend such a seminary school that doesn’t teach these fundamental subjects.

Ok, so you went to wikepedia and looked up 'KJV"< and now you are the authority on manuscript evidence.
Well, not quite, bnr32fan.

So, let me help you.

First, and you can't find this on WIKEPEDIA... it was Jerome who translated, and that is not the "original greek".
That is Jerome.
That is the Vulgate.
Jerome is the horrible translator who MIStranslated "repentance", as "Penance", and that is why billions of catholics are doing penance, trying to stay saved.
They can thank Jerome for that one.
It was Martin Luther who noticed this ERROR, among others.

So, regarding the KJV, the textus receptus, the "received text".

Let me tell you something you didnt learn on wikepedia.
Its this.
The KJV has a Crown's Authority, Crown Stamp, regarding republishing it.
It is the only bible version that is free to reprint.
You dont have to pay a company or a theological society or a bookstore, to print and put out, a KJV.
Its FREE, since 1611.

Now, if you really want to study the KJV
You do it like this.

Do a study on "western (greek) texts" and why they are recognized as superior based on the correlation between where Paul did most of his missionary work, and these manuscripts.
then....
Do a study on the KJV's Translators.

Start there.

 

[Clare73]

Of course Paul said that without love it's all sounding brass and tickling cymbal. Gotta have both.
"The only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6

Saving faith means love, but love does not mean saving faith.

That is my point.

And of course we must repent and believe the good news. That realizes reconciliation and establishes us with the only One who can make us just, who can authentically put his law in our minds and write it on our hearts. We still play our part, in remaining in Him, in picking up our cross daily, following Him and cooperating in His work, with His grace.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Hebrews in chapter 10, vs 26, obo, are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus" and "crucifying him afresh" "as did their father's"

They are committing the unpardonable sin, in the verses.
They are rejecting their messiah, "willfully sinning", and "there remains no more sacrifice for their sin".

All that is left for them, is "Its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God".

If this were true then would’ve never been able enter the Holy Place by the blood of Christ. They are not rejecting the Messiah they haven’t done anything yet. This is a warning to them not a rebuke for something they have done.

 

[Sidon]

Galatians 2:7-9
Paul is from the tribe of Benjamin and therefore, was part of the divided kingdom called Judah; he had the stewardship of the gentiles and taught the Gospel of Grace.
The 11 Disciple-Apostles from Galilee held the stewardship for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

All the Apostles preached the Kingdom of God, but not all had the revelation of "Justification by Faith", early in their ministry, as that is what Paul calls, "My Gospel".
This is "Christ in you'" and the born again "in Christ".

 

[fhansen]

Saving faith means love, but love does not mean saving faith.

That is my point.

Ok, and I can accept that you're wrong sometimes. Anyway, faith only saves if it leads on to love. Love always encompasses faith, but not the other way around. Love is what makes faith saving, not sheer faith, alone, to accommodate as best as I can.

 

[Sidon]

Well... somehow I really doubt you know how I think, feel, or have experienced the love of God

A person who loves God, does not try to teach law and commandments and self effort in place of The Cross, the Blood of Jesus, and the Gospel of the Grace of God".
So, once you stop doing that on a public forum, i would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your "love".

 

[Sidon]

Anyway, faith only saves.

Faith saves nothing.
Faith is a act of belief that can't save you.
God is the Savior.
God sees the faith in your heart, and accepts it to redeem you with the Blood of Jesus.

When you teach that "faith is the savior" or that Faith saves, then you are rejecting the Cross of Christ where Salvation is Found.

Notice that Paul said....>"Christ sent me not to water baptize, but to preach the CROSS".

He didnt come to preach "faith saves you"., because it doesn't.

God saves you THROUGH your faith.
God is the savior, not faith.

 

[Sidon]

Even Greek doesn't appear to be Greek, since the Pelasgians held that land long before "the coming of the Greeks" .

Yet, this does not keep the Koine Greek from existing, and being used as "greek" that created the AV.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Ok, so you went to wikepedia and looked up 'KJV"< and now you are the authority on manuscript evidence.
Well, not quite, bnr32fan.

So, let me help you.

First, and you can't find this on WIKEPEDIA... it was Jerome who translated, and that is not the "original greek".
That is Jerome.
That is the Vulgate.
Jerome is the horrible translator who MIStranslated "repentance", as "Penance", and that is why billions of catholics are doing penance, trying to stay saved.
They can thank Jerome for that one.
It was Martin Luther who noticed this ERROR, among others.

So, regarding the KJV, the textus receptus, the "received text".

Let me tell you something you didnt learn on wikepedia.
Its this.
The KJV has a Crown's Authority, Crown Stamp, regarding republishing it.
It is the only bible version that is free to reprint.
You dont have to pay a company or a theological society or a bookstore, to print and put out, a KJV.
Its FREE, since 1611.

Now, if you really want to study the KJV
You do it like this.

Do a study on "western (greek) texts" and why they are recognized as superior based on the correlation between where Paul did most of his missionary work, and these manuscripts.
then....
Do a study on the KJV's Translators.

Start there.

Oh ok, so I just looked it up on Wikipedia? Here’s a post of mine from 3 years ago.

Of course because the KJV was translated by reformed theologians who used the Geneva bible for 60% of its translations which was a reformed translation as well. I thought you wanted the true gospel not the diluted version. If you want the true teachings I suggest you try a more accurate version like the ASV or NASB or even better a Greek interlinear version. Then you will see word for word what the author’s of the scriptures actually wrote instead of what someone preferred the scriptures to say.

 

[fhansen]

A person who loves God, does not try to teach law and commandments and self effort in place of The Cross, the Blood of Jesus, and the Gospel of the Grace of God".
So, once you stop doing that on a public forum, i would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your "love".

Have you not read that love fulfills the law? And that God intends to place His law in our minds and write it on our hearts? You need to get over your obsessive fear of the law-by overcoming that fear with love. There's no law against the love that fulfills the law by its nature. Those who love are no longer under the law.

So, once you understand the nature of love and its central role in the Christian faith, and stop resting on intellectual concepts that point further to the spiritual realties I understand, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt regarding whatever you think you believe. And once you understand and believe this, your grasp of the Christian faith will soar in comparison:
"At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love."

 

[Sidon]

The division doesn't stop there: Galatians 2:7-9

Matthew 13:13 Context. 10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
In other words, the Disciples who follow the Kingdom Gospel preached by Jesus are given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Why don't you believe your own Apostle to the Gentiles, Sidon?

The Cross isn't divided.
There are not 2 Gospels, anymore then there are 2 Christ's on 2 Crosses.
So, when you read that Peter was dealing with Jews, this does not mean the message was not the same Gospel, as Paul's.

Also, you are not rightly dividing Matthew 13:13, that isn't written by Paul.
So, dont ask me why i dont "believe my own apostle", then quote another, as this makes you seem foolish.

Listen also, when Matthew 13:13 was written, Jesus has not DIED YET, Ligurian.
There was no NEW COVENANT yet....
So, you have Jesus, under the old covenant, dealing with the House of Israel .
This is not Paul's Gospel.
This is Jesus dealing with Jews, as under the law, before He was Crucified.
So, the Gospel of Grace, was not yet given as John 3:16, because Christ was not yet dead then resurrected.
This is why he could share foreknowledge about what was coming, with His 12, but not preach it as the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Try to SEE that Jesus can't preach the CROSS (Paul's Gospel)... to the JEW, when He's not been on it YET.

 

[Sidon]

If this were true then would’ve never been able enter the Holy Place by the blood of Christ.

What are you quoting?
Mormonism?

Listen, in Hebrews 10:26, no Hebrew is entering the Holy Place.

So, what are you quoting,?

What i can tell you is that if a person is born again, then we are ETERNALLY IN the Holy Place, by being "One with God" and "in Christ".

The Blood Atonement has reconciled the born again to God, literally.
The born again, are born into God's Holy Spirit, by God's holy Spirit.

 

[Sidon]

Oh ok, so I just looked it up on Wikipedia? Here’s a post of mine from 3 years ago.

Are you trying to prove the Wikipedia was not around before you quoted them?
Better check your facts.

Also, if you read my last post and do it, you can learn a lot about why some manuscripts are not accepted, and very few are used to make a bible.

Also, study Romans 3:21-28, until all thoughts of law and commandments as being YOUR part of the Grace of God. leave your belief system.

 

[Sidon]

Have you not read that love fulfills the law?

Have you read that "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law".

 

[Sidon]

So, once you understand the nature of love and its central role in the Christian faith, "

Its not your love that fulfills the law, its Christ's love that fulfilled it for you.
This is agape` love, and not emotional love.

And, you would serve your teaching better, if you lost your obsession for the law, and found your obsession for the Cross.

When do you think that will happen?

 

[fhansen]

Have you read that "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law".

Of course, and those who are not under the law are not under the curse of the law.
"And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:4

"So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." Rom 8:12-13

 

[fhansen]

Its not your love that fulfills the law, its Christ's love that fulfilled it for you.

And, were you trying to add something here? He fulfills the law in us by giving us the love that He has, and only He can give.
"And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us." Rom 5:5

This is agape` love, and not emotional love.

You're sort of guessing now. It's whatever agape love is-and we know it to the extent that we've actually experienced it.

And, you would serve your teaching better, if you lost your obsession for the law, and found your obsession for the Cross.

When do you think that will happen?

Those who know the purpose of the cross have no fear of the law-it's now become their friend-finally.

 

[Sidon]

And, were you trying to add something here?

Im trying to lead you to this....Light.

"It is not I who live, but Christ who LOVES, LIVES, GIVES, DISCIPLESHIP"S = through me".

"apart from ME, you can do NOTHING".....including LOVE, fhansen.

Im trying to lead you to THAT reality, as the only one you teach is.>"here is what im doing, see me......im doing it". "see my law keeping, my commandment keeping">....
"me me me me me me me"
And that includes "love".

So, im trying to help you to understand that you are not the reason for anything that is related to Christianity.
Salvation is all of God, and none of you.
The Discipleship that follows, is not about YOU, its about YOU getting out of the way, so that God can : "It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me"..

So that is what im trying to lead you to see for yourself for 3 weeks or more.
Just that.

When will you see it?

 

[fhansen]

Casting stones again?
Why so frustrated?

See you can't prove any of that which you just wrote, tho you've been ranting that it must be true because you said it, for a few weeks now.

The frustrating part is that I have proved it, over and over again, and yet you're obstinate, standing on partial truths based on intellectual concepts you've arrived and settled on at some point in time. You choose to ignore the truth, including Scripture that conflicts with your view. I can't keep repeating myself just because you prefer to remain in a partial darkness.