Under the New Covenant, where is the Biblical text for Worshipping on a particular day (ie Sunday)

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Incorrect.

The law is a yoke of slavery to the works of the law.

The gospel is a yoke of grace and freedom, salvation is a free gift obtained without effort.Only those that do not believe in the name of Jesus are judged.The ten commandments were contained in the book of the covenant. Israel took an oath, three times, to obey the book of the covenant.

Exodus 24:7-8
Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

Only Israel took that oath of obedience to the works of the law. No other nation agreed.A misunderstanding of what God wrote on our hearts.

Romans 5:5
And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.You were already condemned before you even looked at the ten commandments. The law grants the knowledge of sin and that's all the law does, condemn. So if you read the ten commandments you know what sin is. The scripture disagrees with you.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
oh my oh my oh my...the error is so simple i can solve it in just a few words...

The old covenant was this "God wrote HIS LAWS ON TABLETS OF STONE

The people said "all these things we will do" (This is the Old Covenant)

The people broke that agreement!

So God wrote a New Covenant, it was no longer put on tablets of stone, he now placed that covenant in their minds and on their hearts Hebrews 8:10 & 10:16, Jeremiah 31:33 & 24:7, Romans 11: 27)

"But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts.

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Here is the explanation in a few simple words...

In the Old Covenant, the Israelites said "all these things we will do".

In the New covenant, God says "All these things I will do"!
That is the significance of the New Covenant!

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it is such a simple doctrine and yet so many over complicate it with academic intelligence that they dont get it!


The thing that changed at the cross was the timing of the New Covenant. That is the difference between the Old Testament and the New...not the law. The law is the Eternal Law of God...it never changes!

For the really intelligent ones who dont understand simple things...might i suggest you read the title in your Bibles immediately above Hebrews 8:9 (NEW COVENANT) which quotes Jeremiah 31:33.
 
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GAL5;22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! Just a few to start with.
Brother, first on your list is "love". The greatest fulfilment of the law is to "love" God, as Judaism does in Israel when they remember the day that God made "holy" in creation week. You assume that the second greatest fulfillment of the law meets the first when it is the second because it doesn't meet the first. So how can you love God and not remember God's "holy" day?

Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV)​

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Brother, first on your list is "love". The greatest fulfilment of the law is to "love" God, as Judaism does in Israel when they remember the day that God made "holy" in creation week. You assume that the second greatest fulfillment of the law meets the first when it is the second because it doesn't meet the first. So how can you love God and not remember God's "holy" day?

Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV)​

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agree wholeheartedly with this.

lets also not forget...who did God prophesy in Jeremiah He was making the new Covenant with?

"In those days I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel"

so what Bob is saying, "hey guys I am a Gentile, I am not under any Jewish covenants and laws."

um...who was the New Covenant made with in Jeremiah and Hebrews...was it not the House of Israel???

It seems to me that you have now lost your salvation because in using your own logic (which is wrong BTW) the New Covenant certainly cannot apply to you
 
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It seems to me that you have now lost your salvation because in using your own logic (which is wrong BTW) the New Covenant certainly cannot apply to you
Brother, happy Sabbath! Thank you for liking my post. God constraints me to not lose this opportunity to tell you that we have also used our "own logic (which is wrong BTW)" in the past and we are not remembering correctly the Biblical Sabbath. Have you read Amanda’s paper? She shows evidence of the day of the week established by God in the creation that is different from the Sabbath in Israel. For example, the passage below is evidence that the "night" comes after the "day" as the correct order of the two halves called by God the first day of the creation week in Genesis. The Bible compels us to renounce the human tradition that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week when the Bible reveals that the Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week as it was in Eden. God will reward you for taking His word seriously by revealing the International Date Line as the site of Eden. I have written a book on the subject titled: "Proof of God in the International Date Line: site of our origin". A recent thread on the subject I have titled: "Are different Sabbaths true?".

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

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Brother, happy Sabbath! Thank you for liking my post. God constraints me to not lose this opportunity to tell you that we have also used our "own logic (which is wrong BTW)" in the past and we are not remembering correctly the Biblical Sabbath. Have you read Amanda’s paper? She shows evidence of the day of the week established by God in the creation that is different from the Sabbath in Israel. For example, the passage below is evidence that the "night" comes after the "day" as the correct order of the two halves called by God the first day of the creation week in Genesis. The Bible compels us to renounce the human tradition that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week when the Bible reveals that the Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week as it was in Eden. God will reward you for taking His word seriously by revealing the International Date Line as the site of Eden. I have written a book on the subject titled: "Proof of God in the International Date Line: site of our origin". A recent thread on the subject I have titled: "Are different Sabbaths true?".

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
HI Jorge,
thanks for the reference to Amanda's paper.
hmmm, i have not read more than a few paragraphs and already there is a massive massive problem with the premise in the morning theory.

the world was in without form, void, and in darkness, then god created light thus the morning.


in the darkness coming first (because the earth was in darkness, void, and without form), and then God creating light...does this not follow exactly the traditional view of evening (darkness) and morning (the creation of light/day)?

logically my mind tells me that the modern view has too first resolve that significant problem.

I will read the paper further, however, right now, it will be within the confines of this reservation!

I would be very interested in reading the subsequent feedback that was given by Andrews university critique of this paper.

I skipped forward to her conclusion...it is unfortunately not put as strongly as i would like and seems that she is a bit wishy washy on the evening doctrine. In my view, it leaves the possibility that she is not actually taking any position of her own. Academically this presents a seemingly unbiased view, however, i do not think in Christian beliefs one can afford to "fence sit"!

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come to think of it, i now remember...i have heard of the morning theory before. Clearly I must have discounted it very quickly with alternative referencing...i had forgotten i had previously heard of this theory.
 
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agree wholeheartedly with this.

lets also not forget...who did God prophesy in Jeremiah He was making the new Covenant with?

"In those days I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel"

so what Bob is saying, "hey guys I am a Gentile, I am not under any Jewish covenants and laws."


um...who was the New Covenant made with in Jeremiah and Hebrews...was it not the House of Israel???
Hold on there, partner. The truth is that the covenant made with those at the foot of Mt Sinai didn't include any other nation or people. The new covenant made with Israel and Judea does include Gentiles because Jesus, God, deemed it so. It was Israel that didn't live up to the covenant's requirements that allowed Gentiles to become part of the new covenant. Rom 11:17 But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree.

Matt 24:14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.

I really do get tired of correcting you, but as long as you continue to try to teach falsehood I will be there to correct your errors.

It seems to me that you have now lost your salvation because in using your own logic (which is wrong BTW) the New Covenant certainly cannot apply to you
Why would my logic keep me from accepting the gift that Jesus has bestowed on every human being? Salvation is a free gift to ALL who will accept it. Judge not my brother. Can't you see through what the SDA church is teaching. I am judged by the church to Hell because I don't keep a day that was never intended for Gentiles or Christians to keep.

I just thought of something. God had the Israelite stoned to death for not keeping Sabbath, but He never said he would go to Hell for not keeping Sabbath. Yet the SDA church, through the writings of Ellen White, proclaim that if I don't keep the Sabbath I will not inherit eternal life. That is up most shameful.

As the Israelites were fleeing from Egypt with God's guidance God never once, during the several weeks it took to get across the Red Sea, stopped them to rest one day a week. If breaking the Sabbath will send us to Hell because it is so important why didn't God require them to keep it during their flight?

Eight days straight the Israelite soldiers marched around Jerico. If keeping the Sabbath is very important that not keeping it will send us to Hell why did God give orders without allowing for the holy day?
 
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The new covenant made with Israel and Judea does include Gentiles because Jesus, God, deemed it so. It was Israel that didn't live up to the covenant's requirements that allowed Gentiles to become part of the new covenant.
Brother, happy Sabbath! Gentiles were included in the old covenant just as they are included in the new covenant. The grafted are no longer Gentiles but part of "all Israel" just as they were in the old covenant.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. (Matthew 23:15 NIV)​

Judaism with the old covenant also knew the great commission of God to teach the world and bring them to the nation that was the "olive tree" of God. That we are no longer Gentiles but part of "all Israel" is found in the following passage. We are from the "part" of "all Israel" that accepted Jesus. The early church was from the "part" of "all Israel" that was not hardened and grafted we are into that "part" of "all Israel".

Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. (Romans 11:25b-29 NIV)​

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Gentles in the old covenant were circumcised to become part of Israel. New covenant adherents Are baptized, born again and become Christians. And please do not give me that stuff about being grafted into Israel. Biblical Israel is no more. We are grafted into Jesus, He is the tree of life not a defunct nation that could not keep its promise.

And Jorge, Israel's day started at sundown. Your theory is preposterously false. What makes the difference though? Christians are not under the laws of the old covenant. You are beating a dead horse.
 
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Gentles in the old covenant were circumcised to become part of Israel.
Brother, circumcision continues with the new covenant Jew as explained in the passage below with the circumcision of the heart by the Spirit.

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God. (Romans 2:28-29 NIV)​

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Hold on there, partner. The truth is that the covenant made with those at the foot of Mt Sinai didn't include any other nation or people. The new covenant made with Israel and Judea does include Gentiles because Jesus, God, deemed it so. It was Israel that didn't live up to the covenant's requirements that allowed Gentiles to become part of the new covenant. Rom 11:17 But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree.

Matt 24:14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.

I really do get tired of correcting you, but as long as you continue to try to teach falsehood I will be there to correct your errors.


Why would my logic keep me from accepting the gift that Jesus has bestowed on every human being? Salvation is a free gift to ALL who will accept it. Judge not my brother. Can't you see through what the SDA church is teaching. I am judged by the church to Hell because I don't keep a day that was never intended for Gentiles or Christians to keep.

I just thought of something. God had the Israelite stoned to death for not keeping Sabbath, but He never said he would go to Hell for not keeping Sabbath. Yet the SDA church, through the writings of Ellen White, proclaim that if I don't keep the Sabbath I will not inherit eternal life. That is up most shameful.

As the Israelites were fleeing from Egypt with God's guidance God never once, during the several weeks it took to get across the Red Sea, stopped them to rest one day a week. If breaking the Sabbath will send us to Hell because it is so important why didn't God require them to keep it during their flight?

Eight days straight the Israelite soldiers marched around Jerico. If keeping the Sabbath is very important that not keeping it will send us to Hell why did God give orders without allowing for the holy day?
Oh Bob come on...

Hebrews 8:


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1The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who ministers in the sanctuary and true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man. 3And since every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, it was necessary for this One also to have something to offer.4Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are already priests who offer gifts according to the law. 5The place where they serve is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain
Hold on there, partner. The truth is that the covenant made with those at the foot of Mt Sinai didn't include any other nation or people. The new covenant made with Israel and Judea does include Gentiles because Jesus, God, deemed it so. It was Israel that didn't live up to the covenant's requirements that allowed Gentiles to become part of the new covenant. Rom 11:17 But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree.

Matt 24:14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.

I really do get tired of correcting you, but as long as you continue to try to teach falsehood I will be there to correct your errors.


Why would my logic keep me from accepting the gift that Jesus has bestowed on every human being? Salvation is a free gift to ALL who will accept it. Judge not my brother. Can't you see through what the SDA church is teaching. I am judged by the church to Hell because I don't keep a day that was never intended for Gentiles or Christians to keep.

I just thought of something. God had the Israelite stoned to death for not keeping Sabbath, but He never said he would go to Hell for not keeping Sabbath. Yet the SDA church, through the writings of Ellen White, proclaim that if I don't keep the Sabbath I will not inherit eternal life. That is up most shameful.

As the Israelites were fleeing from Egypt with God's guidance God never once, during the several weeks it took to get across the Red Sea, stopped them to rest one day a week. If breaking the Sabbath will send us to Hell because it is so important why didn't God require them to keep it during their flight?

Eight days straight the Israelite soldiers marched around Jerico. If keeping the Sabbath is very important that not keeping it will send us to Hell why did God give orders without allowing for the holy day?
Come on Bob, don't ignore the obvious...

Hebrews 8 explains the problem with the old covenant and the new one that replaced it...

6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises.

8But God found fault with the people and said:

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,

when I will make a new covenant

with the house of Israel

and with the house of Judah.9It will not be like the covenant

I made with their fathers

when I took them by the hand

to lead them out of the land of Egypt,

because they did not abide by My covenant,

and I disregarded them,

declares the Lord.10For this is the covenant I will make

with the house of Israel

after those days,

declares the Lord.

I will put My laws in their minds

and inscribe them on their hearts.
 
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They might be circumcised, but that doesn't mean there is any law that says they have to be.

Tell us what you believe is circumcision of the heart means.
Bob you have sidestepped the real questions

Who did God make the New Covenant with?

Are you now going to tell me Hebrews 8 is referring to a different covenant made in Christ's blood?

Did Jesus did twice?
 
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Adam, read the following. Through Christ Gentiles receive the same blessings as Jews. We are grafted into Jesus and receive the blessings of the Holy Spirit.

Made Alive with Christ Eph 2:

1 Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. 2 You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. 3 All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.

4 But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, 5 that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!) 6 For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus. 7 So God can point to us in all future ages as examples of the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us who are united with Christ Jesus.

8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. 10 For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.

Oneness and Peace in Christ
11 Don’t forget that you Gentiles used to be outsiders. You were called “uncircumcised heathens” by the Jews, who were proud of their circumcision, even though it affected only their bodies and not their hearts. 12 In those days you were living apart from Christ. You were excluded from citizenship among the people of Israel, and you did not know the covenant promises God had made to them. You lived in this world without God and without hope. 13 But now you have been united with Christ Jesus. Once you were far away from God, but now you have been brought near to him through the blood of Christ.

14 For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united Jews and Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us. 15 He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups. 16 Together as one body, Christ reconciled both groups to God by means of his death on the cross, and our hostility toward each other was put to death.

17 He brought this Good News of peace to you Gentiles who were far away from him, and peace to the Jews who were near. 18 Now all of us can come to the Father through the same Holy Spirit because of what Christ has done for us.

A Temple for the Lord
19 So now you Gentiles are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of God’s holy people. You are members of God’s family. 20 Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself. 21 We are carefully joined together in him, becoming a holy temple for the Lord. 22 Through him you Gentiles are also being made part of this dwelling where God lives by his Spirit.

While you are reading all of the real facts pay close attention to verse 8.
 
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Bob you have sidestepped the real questions

Who did God make the New Covenant with?

Are you now going to tell me Hebrews 8 is referring to a different covenant made in Christ's blood?

Did Jesus did twice?
Different subject with Jorge. Sorry for the confusion.

God made the covenant with Judah and Israel. That is what it says and I have no reason to dispute what the Holy Writ says. Why would I tell you anything besides what scripture says? Jesus is God and God has every right to include Gentiles and that is what He did. Are you denying that Gentiles are part of the new covenant???? Seems like you are.
 
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Eph 2:8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. 10 For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago
Brother, notice the purpose given in verse 10: so we can do the good things He planned for us "long ago". Long ago, God planned for us the seventh day of creation to remember His "holy" day. Do you remember "the Lord's day" in gratitude for His salvation as the early church did?

I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.” (Revelation 1:9-11 NIV)​

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You lost me at "Constantine". Constantine never established any of the traditions of Christianity.

Constantine’s Creed
Creed of Constantinople Church

“I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspirations, purifications, sanctifications, and propitiations, and fasts and New Moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants, and observances, and synagogues.

Absolutely everything Jewish, every [TORAH] Law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be an anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.” Stefano Assemani, Acta Sanctorium Martyrum Orientalium at Occidentalium, Vol. 1, Rome 1748, page 105. [Emphasis mine]
 
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Are you denying that Gentiles are part of the new covenant???? Seems like you are.
Brother, there is no need to speculate on this because the Bible is clear that those who "come in" are no longer Gentiles but "part" of "all Israel". They were Gentiles before they "come in" but no longer after they "come in" to the "part" that accepted Jesus from "all Israel".

Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. (Romans 11:25b-29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, circumcision continues with the new covenant Jew as explained in the passage below with the circumcision of the heart by the Spirit.

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God. (Romans 2:28-29 NIV)​

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There are two types of circumcision in the Old Testament. A circumcision of the heart and the physical circumcision. Abraham and Moses both were commanded to undergo the physical circumcision, that is a fact.

The physical form of circumcision was in the law, physical circumcision was the law. Anyone who wanted to submit to the law of Moses must undergo the physical circumcision.

Paul prohibited compliance with the law in the case of the Gentiles, they were forbidden from being circumcised. Jesus was circumcised, Paul was circumcised, but a Gentile convert to Christianity was forbidden from being circumcised.

It is impossible for a Gentile to comply with the law of Moses, because they cannot be circumcised.

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Brother, there is no need to speculate on this because the Bible is clear that those who "come in" are no longer Gentiles but "part" of "all Israel". They were Gentiles before they "come in" but no longer after they "come in" to the "part" that accepted Jesus from "all Israel".

Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. (Romans 11:25b-29 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Prove it Jorge.
 
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