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On many christian forums, you find Threads that discuss "predestination", "Predestinated" "Predestined elect"..
And what i notice is that all of this, when its discussed, does not discuss it correctly.
Its the "predestined" part, that is the misunderstanding...
So, lets say that we try the basic...>"the elect are predestined".....
And lets not make the mistake of tying this into "vessels fitted for destruction", vs "God chose some for heaven"< as when we do that, we are discussing what "this side" teaches, vs '"this side teaches", and that is exactly wrong, because THAT is not discussing the verse correctly. All that is just fighting over theology.
See, we can't understand these verses, when they are not being discussed, because what one group says it means, is then rebutted by the other groups's theology, becomes the LOUD discussion.
So, the theology is argued, the POV is heated, but the verse isn't understood, and that is the fail.
Lets look at one thought with an open mind, and not a theological filter that has replaced any ability to even want to see anything at all..
Q.) What is predestined?
A.) That which is conformed.
The verse says...... something is predestined to BE Conformed. So, to BE, means, to become eventually.
Or, its the END RESULT of the conforming, that is the DESTINY, or what is : pre-determined to happen.
So, this is a spiritual SYSTEM. Its a system in place that starts and ends.
Its a process that has a start and has a end.
So, what is that Simply, according to God's "foreknowledge"?
See all that? That sounds complex, and if you try to SEE IT, using all the biblical nomenclature, then it just becomes a BLUR.
So, lets simplify and get rid of the confusion.
And if this does not agree with what you have been taught, then just think about it, and have it in there, and let it show you something else.
Very simply.
God knows it all.
He knows the end from the beginning and he knows who will be born again, and who wont.
And what is pre-determined to happen, to THE born again person?
They are going to be CONFORMED, in the END, and this is pre-determined for each who are born again, and that is the system that God set up.
So, what is pre-determined that God knows will happen (foreknowledge) to every born again person?
They will END UP< "conformed" into the image of Christ".
So the system starts with born again, and it ends up as "conformed into the image of Christ".
And this must happen, because God has predetermined and predestined this to occur to all the born again.
They will start as born again and end up as "conformed into the image of Christ.
Its like Spiritual math. Its an exact spiritual reality that is a process that starts, continues, and has a finalization.
The bible words are born again, elect, predestined, conformed, foreknowledge.
So, dont let all those words be confusion.
"Being Conformed INTO the IMAGE of CHRIST". : This is the "pre-determined" outcome fact of becoming born again.
You will END UP conformed, as this is pre-determined" according to the process that God set up as Salvation.
And God knows before you are born, if you are going to be born again.
And so He also knows that after you are born again, you will be conformed into the image of Jesus, as this is the pre-determine or predestined or predestination outcome and spiritual finalization regarding how every born again person ends up.
We start "in Christ" and we end up "conformed into the image of Christ".
See that process?
That is pre-determined, or predestined to OCCUR, to every born again person.
And God knows who all these are before they are born = Foreknowledge, because before you are born, God knows if you are going to trust Christ, or if you are going to die a Christ rejector.
And if you are the born again then you will be conformed into "The image of Christ", as God has predetermined this to occur to all born again.
It is in fact, Predestined to happen, because Salvation IS all that, regarding all the born again.
And the Foreknowledge of God, knows it, and it should as God created Salvation to work out exactly that way, regarding all the born again.
If you are born again, then it is pre-determined and predestined, that you will eventually be totally conformed, into, "the image of Jesus".
And God knows this before it happens, as HE designed salvation to end up, there.
And.....God knows who it is, per born again person, before they are born, = foreknowledge.
So, all that, is not the argument about "god chose some for hell", that always replaces the discussion regarding pre-destination AS the eventual conforming INTO the very image of Christ that is what is predetermined to happen to every born again person.
And what i notice is that all of this, when its discussed, does not discuss it correctly.
Its the "predestined" part, that is the misunderstanding...
So, lets say that we try the basic...>"the elect are predestined".....
And lets not make the mistake of tying this into "vessels fitted for destruction", vs "God chose some for heaven"< as when we do that, we are discussing what "this side" teaches, vs '"this side teaches", and that is exactly wrong, because THAT is not discussing the verse correctly. All that is just fighting over theology.
See, we can't understand these verses, when they are not being discussed, because what one group says it means, is then rebutted by the other groups's theology, becomes the LOUD discussion.
So, the theology is argued, the POV is heated, but the verse isn't understood, and that is the fail.
Lets look at one thought with an open mind, and not a theological filter that has replaced any ability to even want to see anything at all..
Q.) What is predestined?
A.) That which is conformed.
The verse says...... something is predestined to BE Conformed. So, to BE, means, to become eventually.
Or, its the END RESULT of the conforming, that is the DESTINY, or what is : pre-determined to happen.
So, this is a spiritual SYSTEM. Its a system in place that starts and ends.
Its a process that has a start and has a end.
So, what is that Simply, according to God's "foreknowledge"?
See all that? That sounds complex, and if you try to SEE IT, using all the biblical nomenclature, then it just becomes a BLUR.
So, lets simplify and get rid of the confusion.
And if this does not agree with what you have been taught, then just think about it, and have it in there, and let it show you something else.
Very simply.
God knows it all.
He knows the end from the beginning and he knows who will be born again, and who wont.
And what is pre-determined to happen, to THE born again person?
They are going to be CONFORMED, in the END, and this is pre-determined for each who are born again, and that is the system that God set up.
So, what is pre-determined that God knows will happen (foreknowledge) to every born again person?
They will END UP< "conformed" into the image of Christ".
So the system starts with born again, and it ends up as "conformed into the image of Christ".
And this must happen, because God has predetermined and predestined this to occur to all the born again.
They will start as born again and end up as "conformed into the image of Christ.
Its like Spiritual math. Its an exact spiritual reality that is a process that starts, continues, and has a finalization.
The bible words are born again, elect, predestined, conformed, foreknowledge.
So, dont let all those words be confusion.
"Being Conformed INTO the IMAGE of CHRIST". : This is the "pre-determined" outcome fact of becoming born again.
You will END UP conformed, as this is pre-determined" according to the process that God set up as Salvation.
And God knows before you are born, if you are going to be born again.
And so He also knows that after you are born again, you will be conformed into the image of Jesus, as this is the pre-determine or predestined or predestination outcome and spiritual finalization regarding how every born again person ends up.
We start "in Christ" and we end up "conformed into the image of Christ".
See that process?
That is pre-determined, or predestined to OCCUR, to every born again person.
And God knows who all these are before they are born = Foreknowledge, because before you are born, God knows if you are going to trust Christ, or if you are going to die a Christ rejector.
And if you are the born again then you will be conformed into "The image of Christ", as God has predetermined this to occur to all born again.
It is in fact, Predestined to happen, because Salvation IS all that, regarding all the born again.
And the Foreknowledge of God, knows it, and it should as God created Salvation to work out exactly that way, regarding all the born again.
If you are born again, then it is pre-determined and predestined, that you will eventually be totally conformed, into, "the image of Jesus".
And God knows this before it happens, as HE designed salvation to end up, there.
And.....God knows who it is, per born again person, before they are born, = foreknowledge.
So, all that, is not the argument about "god chose some for hell", that always replaces the discussion regarding pre-destination AS the eventual conforming INTO the very image of Christ that is what is predetermined to happen to every born again person.