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[AubreyM]

What do you mean when you say it doesn't require faith?

Hello renniks thank you good question

Because all sins are paid for all mankind, with or without faith. The blood shed of christ paid for it before we even began to believe in Christ.

 

[Bobber]

The book ends at Rev 22, not just 20:15. Though am not good at explaining revelation. The lake of fire was made for Satan and his Angels.

Unbelievers are outside the Heavenly Jerusalem. You can see in Revelation 22. Believe Hell/ She'ol *Paradise / Prison was a place but was overcome by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe what the bible explains the afterlife looks like when it comes Revelation 22.

OK let's look at it.

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.” Rev 22:15

So you're asserting that ones who aren't saved are just outside the city? That would exclude however other things that are said about the fate of the lost, such as in Rev 21:9, (just a few verses before)

"But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” Rev 21:19

So Rev 21:19 has rolled out the descriptive condition of the lost. Rev 22:15 doesn't do that except to say they're outside. When you get the descriptive state revealed and talked about in the prior chapter God doesn't necessarily have to say the same words again.....it's already been described. When he says they're outside the City I see no justification for suggesting Rev 21:19 isn't the true description. He already revealed that part. I think God had composed Rev 22:15 expecting and knowing that it should be self evident what it means. He already described the detail of what outside should mean in the chapter before. So sorry Aubrey....I think your conclusion is pretty weak.

 

[Kenny'sID]

As was precluded in the original message Romans 6 was added saying do we continue to sin? God forbid, we walk in newness of life.

According to scriptures we are to lay down the old man - the old ways and put on Christ and live by the new ways which are by the spirit when we are born again.

OK, thanks, just wanted to be sure what page you are on, I agree.

I take it from the title of the thread that you say we do not need to repent of our sins in order to be saved?

 

[AubreyM]

OK let's look at it.

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.” Rev 22:15

So you're asserting that ones who aren't saved are just outside the city? That would exclude however other things that are said about the fate of the lost, such as in Rev 21:9, (just a few verses before)

"But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” Rev 21:19

So Rev 21:19 has rolled out the descriptive condition of the lost. Rev 22:15 doesn't do that except to say they're outside. When you get the descriptive state revealed and talked about in the prior chapter God doesn't necessarily have to say the same words again.....it's already been described. When he says they're outside the City I see no justification for suggesting Rev 21:19 isn't the true description. He already revealed that part. I think God had composed Rev 22:15 expecting and knowing that it should be self evident what it means. He already described the detail of what outside should mean in the chapter before. So sorry Aubrey....I think your conclusion is pretty weak.

Okay but chapter 22 is after the fact so I personally can’t articulate it right now am to immature to know how to. Thank you for your comment bobber.

OK, thanks, just wanted to be sure what page you are on, I agree.

I take it from the title of the thread that you say we do not need to repent of our sins in order to be saved?

This a great question KennyId because when you and me were born our sins where already covered. The thing is we had no knowledge of God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is really interesting to know that.

Our sins have been covered by the blood shed of Christ Jesus before we ever heard anything about him.

What do you think about this? We can now look and read scripture and it seems to pull through and true by the scripture shared in op.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Okay but chapter 22 is after the fact so I personally can’t articulate it right now am to immature to know how to. Thank you for your comment bobber.




This a great question KennyId because when you and me were born our sins where already covered. The thing is we had no knowledge of God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is really interesting to know that.

Our sins have been covered by the blood shed of Christ Jesus before we ever heard anything about him.

What do you think about this? We can now look and read scripture and it seems to pull through and true by the scripture shared in op.

I just want an answer to my question.

 

[aiki]

God loves you, now as you are -> And sent his son Jesus Christ to pay for the sins. - > who was resurrected from the dead by God.

If God loves folks just as they are, why did He send His Son to die for their sins? Why will He send the unrepentant and unbelieving to eternal hell? (Matthew 25:46) Why does God's wrath abide on those who reject Christ? (John 3:36) God loves us but this does not mean He accepts our sinful thinking and living. If we don't come under the cleansing flow of Christ's shed blood, we will, at the Final Judgement, find God our wrathful Judge, not a loving Heavenly Father.

 

[AubreyM]

I just want an answer to my question.

to be saved to the kingdom of God requires faith in Jesus Christ,

we are saved from our sins due to his blood shed and resurrection

 

[AubreyM]

If God loves folks just as they are, why did He send His Son to die for their sins? Why will He send the unrepentant and unbelieving to eternal hell? (Matthew 25:46) Why does God's wrath abide on those who reject Christ? (John 3:36) God loves us but this does not mean He accepts our sinful thinking and living. If we don't come under the cleansing flow of Christ's shed blood, we will, at the Final Judgement, find God our wrathful Judge, not a loving Heavenly Father.

Hello aiki
I believe Gods wrath was upon the nation of Israel.

God sent Christ so people could be saved to kingdom of God be spiritually reborn and have relationship with them in this life now.

 

[renniks]

Hello renniks thank you good question

Because all sins are paid for all mankind, with or without faith. The blood shed of christ paid for it before we even began to believe in Christ.

Yes, but you said:
"It doesn't require faith to have your sins forgiven."

The scripture says otherwise.

7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace.

How do we become " in him"?
By faith!

 

[AubreyM]

Yes, but you said:
"It doesn't require faith to have your sins forgiven."

The scripture says otherwise.

7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace.

How do we become " in him"?
By faith!

This is coming to truth, of his forgiveness.

His death covered all sins of the world otherwise the scriptures shared in op are useless, renniks.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.​

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men.

There is only one God.

There is only one mediator between God and Men.

the man Christ Jesus. -> Faith on the Lord Jesus Christ -> Access to God our Father.

Who gave Himself -> The Man Christ Jesus -> as a ransom for all.

The testimony that was given at the right time.

Christ Jesus the Man Son of God of Nazareth paid for all the sins of the world.

Ransom: 487 487 antílytron (from 473 /antí, "corresponding to, instead of/exchange" and 3083 /lýtron, "ransom-price") – properly, a full ransom, referring to Christ paying the complete purchase-price to secure our freedom (redemption) – i.e. Christ exchanging His eternal righteousness for our sin (cf. Ro 3:26; 2 Cor 5:21).​

1 John 2: 2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

The world -> 2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world. Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
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This is the message.

IF you have not repented and turned to God yet and turned to the Lord Jesus Christ or you have been on the fence of deciding or not.

Jesus Christ has paid for the entire world (Everyone's) sins already. You have been forgiven now today and all that there is to do is to believe and have faith, that He overcame, death, sin, Satan, and the grave.

Today you can have a relationship with God, today. Jesus Christ came, died, and resurrected and God loves you, now as you are -> And sent his son Jesus Christ to pay for the sins. - > who was resurrected from the dead by God.

It doesn't require faith to have your sins forgiven.

That work has already been done.

Universal reconciliation -> the payment of all sins for all people, is a sound biblical doctrine.

Universal salvation -> Is not true.

Everyone in this life has to make a choice to turn towards God, and make a choice accept the Good News of the Lord Jesus Christ who came to save us to the kingdom of God that we can be spiritually reborn and live by the spirit and have a an relationship with God and through the Lord Jesus Christ.

The choice you make decides on if you are saved to the Kingdom of God or not.

Will you have faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, and Trust God and his promises?

Link (under signature for more information)

Do you have any comments or suggestions on any of these things?

We do not use the forgiveness, for a license to sin however to grow in love towards God, and the Lord Jesus Christ for what they have done in this life for all people.

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  • Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

There seems to be a run on Universal Reconciliation. So that I understand what this is, this is how it is defined. Please confirm if this is what you agree with. Thanks.
Universal reconciliation, also called universal salvation or sometimes simply universalism, is the non-mainstream Christian doctrine that all people will at some point receive salvation, because of the love and mercy of God.

 

[AubreyM]

There seems to be a run on Universal Reconciliation. So that I understand what this is, this is how it is defined. Please confirm if this is what you agree with. Thanks.
Universal reconciliation, also called universal salvation or sometimes simply universalism, is the non-mainstream Christian doctrine that all people will at some point receive salvation, because of the love and mercy of God.

Both are different.

Universal Reconciliation is the world to God - Jesus Christ paid for sin. - this biblically sound

Universal salvation is everyone going to heaven - this is not true.

Not everyone is going to choose to believe and follow God or the Lord Jesus Christ.

does this help Maria?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Both are different.

Universal Reconciliation is the world to God - Jesus Christ paid for sin. - this biblically sound

Universal salvation is everyone going to heaven - this is not true.

Not everyone is going to choose to believe and follow God or the Lord Jesus Christ.

does this help Maria?

No, because this definition says it is one and the same, just a different name. Do you believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh?

 

[AubreyM]

No, because this definition says it is one and the same, just a different name. Do you believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh?

Maria they are not the same thing.

what does this have to do with anything?

I believe a Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh, Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God who is living through him, while Jesus Christ was a man who had flesh and was tempted who resisted temptation by faith in trusting in God. Died on the cross paying for the worlds sins, Jesus died and went into the grave into the heart of the earth. Then was raised again by God.

 

[Saint Steven]

Universal reconciliation -> the payment of all sins for all people, is a sound biblical doctrine.

Universal salvation -> Is not true.

How did you come to these erroneous conclusions?
1) That is not the definition of Universal Reconciliation.
2) How do you define Universal salvation?

Since you say that "the payment of all sins for all people, is a sound biblical doctrine", how can you claim that Universal Salvation is not true? The payment for sin has been made. Done deal.

 

[AubreyM]

Because of choice to become a child of God is defined by having faith on the Lord Jesus Christ @Saint Steven do not have time to go back and forth okay, sir.

John 1:12 -> a choice has to be made to be a child of God.

Everyone is a creation of God and therefore spiritually dead also.

All Gods creation is dead to him, until they are spiritually reawaken by hearing of the truth of the Gospel of the Life, Death, Resurrection of Christ.

-This excludes aboriginals because God knows their circumstances.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Maria they are not the same thing.

what does this have to do with anything?

I believe a Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh, Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God who is living through him, while Jesus Christ was a man who had flesh and was tempted who resisted temptation by faith in trusting in God. Died on the cross paying for the worlds sins, Jesus died and went into the grave into the heart of the earth. Then was raised again by God.

The definition I provided said they were one and the same. So I am a bit confused. Here it is again:
If you are willing, please provide your definition if this is not correct. Thanks!
Universal reconciliation, also called universal salvation or sometimes simply universalism, is the non-mainstream Christian doctrine that all people will at some point receive salvation, because of the love and mercy of God.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

@Friedrich Rubinstein Repent and believe in the good news was a message to the Jews,

the Gentiles -> Believe in the Good News

So this distinction here is, the Jews need to repent and the Gentiles do not?

 

[AubreyM]

The definition I provided said they were one and the same. So I am a bit confused. Here it is again:
If you are willing, please provide your definition if this is not correct. Thanks!
Universal reconciliation, also called universal salvation or sometimes simply universalism, is the non-mainstream Christian doctrine that all people will at some point receive salvation, because of the love and mercy of God.

They are different.

Universal reconciliation can be found in the Bible. Look up this scripture God reconciled the world unto himself, also the two scriptures provided here. You will see the reconciliation of God.

This has to simply do with sins of the world being paid for.

God is no longer angry or mad at the world today in my view. Jesus Christ was enough to pay for the sins for all people everywhere at one time on the cross, and reconciled the world.

Doesn’t it also say in John 3 that that world might be saved through Jesus Christ.

(No faith is needed to have your sins covered they have been covered since birth before you ever knew Christ Jesus)

Now Universal Salvation says there is no faith needed to get to heaven Jesus Christ paid for it all and that is it. — This is not true.

Faith is needed in God and the Lord Jesus Christ to even become a child, son or daughter of God.

So universal salvation is false.

So this distinction here is, the Jews need to repent and the Gentiles do not?

You can see a better distinction in the letters but don’t have the materials.

Everything changes after the resurrection of Christ, Paul goes to the Gentiles saying believe in the In the Lord and like the Romans chapter 10:9?

if you believe (doesn’t talk about repent!)

Though all repentance is is a change of mind in general.

Maybe am wrong about this but figured would try to answer the best could thank you for the question.

New Living Translation
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.”

@Maria Billingsley , saved to what? For us now? The kingdom of God.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

That is what people have said for thousands of years. You must repent to receive Christ to have forgiveness.

Actually. Repentance comes after you believe. Sin is not exposed to the sinner who does not care until they believe. This is how it worked when I became born again. I did not see my sin until I was regenerated with the power of the Holy spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that leads us in all truth. We repent once we realize through the power of the Holy Spirit that we are unrighteous.