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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by AubreyM, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:29 PM.

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  1. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    If you need to ask! ;)
     
  2. Friedrich Rubinstein

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    That's true, but according to Jesus' words they are not the only ones going there. If you look at Mt 25:41 you will read:
    "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' [...] Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
    Similar in Mark 9:43 "It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out" and Mark 9:47-48 as well.
     
  3. Kenny'sID

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    You say "all" we have to do. Does that mean we can go on sinning after we accept Christ, and we will still make it to heaven?
     
  4. AubreyM

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    always ;) good to here from you.


    you make a great point, but sometimes he’ll means Ghenna, and I don’t got time to go through all that,

    What is that all in context and what does it all mean to you?

    I personally do not believe in eternal punishment, in the sense it is forever, and this would have to get me to really dig in to what is being conveyed here by the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  5. AubreyM

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    As was precluded in the original message Romans 6 was added saying do we continue to sin? God forbid, we walk in newness of life.

    According to scriptures we are to lay down the old man - the old ways and put on Christ and live by the new ways which are by the spirit when we are born again.
     
  6. Lost4words

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    Thing is, Jesus knew believers would still succumb to sin though.

    He gave us the 'Lords Prayer' remember.

    He gave us His priesthood too.
     
  7. Dave L

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    They are true but being used to mislead unless you consider the rest of the salvation scriptures.
     
  8. AubreyM

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    Hello lost4words

    You are right, our flesh will always sin. However the spirit with-in us will not. If we do mess up on our fleshly ways say defraud a brother or say something mean or hateful -> if you can recognize what is happening that it is a reaction in your flesh -> we can go directly to God -> and also for help by the spirit to overcome those temptations when we get angry that involved hatred and mean towards others.

    Personally believe preisthoods are over, God is the authority in a believers life and those who are in active faith will be notified when they are doing something wrong -> which in most cases when they don’t show love towards God or towards others. -> the spirit notifies them.

    The only option left then once catching the problem is giving our problems, worries, and cares towards God for the spiritual needs of rest and comfort which God provides to all believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and also reassurance that we all make mistakes and that is why need Christ.

    Thank you for your comment.
    Hello Dave L

    What is salvation? How is one saved ? Why are they misused?
     
  9. JacksBratt

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    I believe that the price that Christ paid was sufficient to cover all the sins of all of humanity. Ever single one and even more.

    This is what is meant by "
    1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time."

    This means that all human have their name written in the Lambs book of life.

    However, if you deny Christ. Deny that you are a sinner. Deny heaven and hell. Shun the gospel... even though the price has been paid for your sins and paid in full.....

    Your name will be blotted from the book of life. It's your choice.

    Nobody will stand before the God of this universe and "splain" away their destiny for eternity.

    All have been ransomed... only few will believe and accept the free gift. ​
     
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  10. Dave L

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    Free will is the issue. Are we so dead in sin we can not discern spiritual truth? We always choose a false Christ and hate the true? Or can we discern the truth with our fallen nature enough to save ourselves by simple legal obedience? = Salvation by works = heresy.
     
  11. Friedrich Rubinstein

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    I understand. Do you believe then that all will accept Jesus sooner or later (universalism) or that the unbeliever's soul will be destroyed completely (annihilationism)?
     
  12. AubreyM

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    Hello Dave L,

    what are you talking about? What does this mean? Who said anything about works?

    Hello Friedricb, great question thank you

    No universal salvation is not true.

    People after this life are all judged in the sense rightly by God, those who did not want nothing to do with him are resurrected with condemned spiritual bodies and outside the kingdom of God.

    Those who are believers are resurrected with spiritual bodies full of life and go be with God and the Lord Jesus Christ in the kingdom of God.

    All sin has been paid for so there is no longer this - Mad angry God at sin and looking at people as those they are terrible sinners.

    Jesus Christ paid for all the sin, and was resurrected and God loves all people and showed this by sending his son Jesus Christ to die for the ungodly (us - all) so we can gain back from our spiritual deadness we lost from Adam, and have new life through the new second Adam -> Christ Jesus who allows us to be raised from the dead just like himself -> raised from our spiritual deadness into life and have relationship now here on earth we can be partaking in the inheritance God has so freely given to the world being part of the kingdom of God as a child of God believing in the whom saved the world from Sin. And live towards them.
     
  13. Studyman

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    Matt. 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    Mark 6:10 And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place.

    11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

    Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

    John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

    32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    I think it is common and popular in the religions of this land, but dangerous, in my view, to omit what our part of the Covenant with God is.

    It make for a good religious franchise marketing program, certainly easy to join such a religion, and makes the corporate bottom line impressive as the huge business of religion in this world clearly shows.

    God forgives the Sins that are past giving us a new chance at becoming a faithful son. But repenting (Change) is the first requirement for His protection. Without repentance, we are simply part of the "Many" on the Broad Path of those who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but refuse to "Yield our self" to God this time around.
     
  14. AubreyM

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    All people are technically spiritually dead at birth. All people are dead until they are raised again into new life with Christ Jesus, by the persuasive promises God gives through him which are truth.
     
  15. AubreyM

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    Hello study man,

    Good scripture to use, they are very useful to use spiritually today, and how it shows the character of a believer. Thank you for sharing, those are most certainly good to read and take in.

    My post is to let people know all the sins are paid for.

    This should be known to that following and dedicating your life to God and Christ Jesus is a daily thing. To pray, give thanks, read some of the Bible and learn about God and Jesus Christ,
    Build your faith up in them and trust in them.

    The overall Goal in this is to increase your faith, and increase your love for God and for others, we will never be perfect but don’t give up on God he did save you from your sins and desire to give you peace in your life even through tribulation and suffering for Christ.

    Suffering for Christ is also a biblical tenant taught in the scriptures.

    hoping one day to provide more in about two months when Lord willing I live that long to experience a Thompson chain study Bible.
     
  16. Friedrich Rubinstein

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    That's interesting. If I understand you correctly you believe that the unbeliever's soul will exist forever, but not in misery/torture? So like, the magicians can keep doing magic "outside the city", the adulterers can keep betraying each other "outside the city" and he thieves keep stealing - just that God doesn't care anymore?
     
  17. AubreyM

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    hello fried,

    That depends on your view of God is it loving to let them have the freedom to do what they want instead of the other view -> burning in hell forever or the lake of fire forever eternally suffering?

    Maybe since the gate never closes we too can go help them?

    Idk the answers from here but God is still a God of love, for sure. Thank you for your time conversing with me.
     
  18. Studyman

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    Matt. 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

    5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

    6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    I'm not sure where you are getting your religious philosophy from. But I'm quite sure Jesus didn't mean for us all to come to Him like Spiritually Dead people.

    And it doesn't make any sense when compared to your first statement, because if the sins of the world are forgiven, then certainly a child who isn't old enough to comprehend Sin, let alone rebel against God's Commandments, is cleansed as well.

    Jesus once said "Man shall LIVE BY EVERY Word which Proceeds out of the mouth of God. Shouldn't we consider His instruction in this life?
     
  19. renniks

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    What do you mean when you say it doesn't require faith?
     
  20. AubreyM

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    hello study man.

    all sins are forgiven -> we are born spiritually dead. You are using scripture share the one with nicodemous and being born again.
     
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