Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Davy]

I asked her last night. She was eating pork tacos at the time. She said it was fine.

Another made-up story.

 

[Cis.jd]

Can you accept that your view has fallacies?

Sure.. if it happens that someone can dispute my arguments in whatever topic. But between you and me in this thread, you are the one facing fallacies. i did not resort to the "this is what the bible" line excuse because of refusal to be reasoned with, you did.

 

[Ceallaigh]

"It's not what I'm saying, it's what the Bible says, don't shoot the messenger". Or "That's what the Bible says, therefore my argument is infallible".

 

[Davy]

Christians are under grace not under law. We are governed by the Holy Spirit, not by written commands. That is the difference between the two covenants.

You don't really understand how God's Word explains it. What you're saying comes from men's traditions, not The Bible.

In Galatians 5, Apostle Paul said we become dead to the law IF we walk by The Spirit.

That's a condition, that IF. Paul showed the difference between walking by The Spirit compared with following the flesh. His explanation is simple.

Walk by The Spirit and we won't be doing anything against God's laws.

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

That in red is the verse where those you listen to have twisted it, inferring that the law is dead when it is not.

We become dead to the law IF... we be led of The Spirit. That walk means not fulfilling the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV

So what does it mean IF... we do NOT walk by The Spirit?

Simple, it means we go back to walking after our flesh lusts, which means WE place ourselves back under God's law. This is the REAL difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Christ released us from all the Old Covenant ritual and ceremonial worship, but not God's laws which govern His creation. This is why Apostle Paul taught in 1 Timothy 1 that God's laws are good, but were not made for the righteous, but for the sinner and ungodly.

Thus the false idea that under Christ Jesus we can just go out and live any kind of lifestyle we want and still be under His Grace is a false teaching of the hireling, and is not God's Word. We are to be walking in Christ Jesus by The Holy Spirit, and repenting and asking forgiveness when we mess up, repenting daily if needs be.

 

[Ceallaigh]

You don't really understand how God's Word explains it. What you're saying comes from men's traditions, not The Bible.

In Galatians 5, Apostle Paul said we become dead to the law IF we walk by The Spirit.

That's a condition, that IF. Paul showed the difference between walking by The Spirit compared with following the flesh. His explanation is simple.

Walk by The Spirit and we won't be doing anything against God's laws.

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

That in red is the verse where those you listen to have twisted it, inferring that the law is dead when it is not.

We become dead to the law IF... we be led of The Spirit. That walk means not fulfilling the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV

So what does it mean IF... we do NOT walk by The Spirit?

Simple, it means we go back to walking after our flesh lusts, which means WE place ourselves back under God's law. This is the REAL difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Christ released us from all the Old Covenant ritual and ceremonial worship, but not God's laws which govern His creation. This is why Apostle Paul taught in 1 Timothy 1 that God's laws are good, but were not made for the righteous, but for the sinner and ungodly.

I think the point is that the Holy Spirit was given as part of the new covenant.

"If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." John 14:15-17

Thus the false idea that under Christ Jesus we can just go out and live any kind of lifestyle we want and still be under His Grace is a false teaching of the hireling, and is not God's Word. We are to be walking in Christ Jesus by The Holy Spirit, and repenting and asking forgiveness when we mess up, repenting daily if needs be.

Where does the Bible say we have to keep asking for forgiveness?

 

[Davy]

I think the point is that the Holy Spirit was given as part of the new covenant.

"If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." John 14:15-17

Definitely, definitely!!!

The Holy Spirit is The Great Equalizer against our flesh, IF... we listen to Him.

I refuse to latch onto the 'we can't sin anymore' false gravy-train the hirelings that preach for money have duped so many brethren with. That idea is not Biblical per The New Testament.

Their idea that under Christ we can't sin anymore, is an idea from the devil, because if you believe you can't sin anymore, then you won't be checking your behavior, nor ask Jesus forgiveness of future sins. And you won't be heeding The Holy Spirit Comforter either Which is given to help against future sin. Thus there are so many... ways to show that doctrine is from devils that only one ignorant to what God's Word teaches would not recognize the error in it.

Apostle Paul dealt with that attitude of 'can't sin anymore' in his day, with those who went astray wrongly thinking the liberty in Christ meant living however you wanted. The matter is those truly in Christ are not of this present world. This present world is not our real 'home'. The world to come is, and that's when things will be different than today.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Definitely, definitely!!!

The Holy Spirit is The Great Equalizer against our flesh, IF... we listen to Him.

I refuse to latch onto the 'we can't sin anymore' false gravy-train the hirelings that preach for money have duped so many brethren with. That idea is not Biblical per The New Testament.

Their idea that under Christ we can't sin anymore, is an idea from the devil, because if you believe you can't sin anymore, then you won't be checking your behavior, nor ask Jesus forgiveness of future sins. And you won't be heeding The Holy Spirit Comforter either Which is given to help against future sin. Thus there are so many... ways to show that doctrine is from devils that only one ignorant to what God's Word teaches would not recognize the error in it.

Apostle Paul dealt with that attitude of 'can't sin anymore' in his day, with those who went astray wrongly thinking the liberty in Christ meant living however you wanted. The matter is those truly in Christ are not of this present world. This present world is not our real 'home'. The world to come is, and that's when things will be different than today.

Where does the Bible say that we have to keep asking for forgiveness?

 

[Religiot]

"It's not what I'm saying, it's what the Bible says, don't shoot the messenger". Or "That's what the Bible says, therefore my argument is infallible".

Yes, exactly!

 

[Religiot]

Where does the Bible say that we have to keep asking for forgiveness?

Here:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." --Matthew 6:9-13

 

[civilwarbuff]

Do you not know, that faith alone is dead?

Ahhhhh.....a 'works' disciple?
And when MMXX asked:

How many things do you currently think are required for salvation?

You replied:

Just one: obey the Lord.

The way you responded implies that you believe we are capable of being obedient (OT belief). If that were true Jesus would not have needed to come to show us all how wrong we are.

 

[civilwarbuff]

The Lord only spoke what the Father gave Him to say, yet there are pages of contention between Him and others in the gospels.

Really?.....what 'contentions' between Jesus and others in the Gospels would that be?

 

[Religiot]

Really?.....what 'contentions' between Jesus and others in the Gospels would that be?

I'm sorry you didn't know this, but I'm sure glad you asked!

The Lord was opposed by the religious leaders, most vocal of which, where the Scribes and Pharisees: they all opposed His doctrine, and did so throughout His entire ministry, culminating their opposition by having Him murdered in the end.

Some of the Lord's most memorable statements come from these very contentions against the religious leaders of His day.

(The gospels are the best source to reference these contentions.)

 

[Religiot]

The way you responded implies that you believe we are capable of being obedient (OT belief).

Well, my response doesn't actually imply it, but denotes it: we are capable of obedience, otherwise, we could not obey the Lord's command to believe on Him.

 

[Jipsah]

Another made-up story.

Not at all. My daughter is a primary care physician (all that Asian ancestry showing through). We were eating tacos. She ordered tacos al pastor, made with pork. Based on this ridiculous thread, I asked her if she thought eating pork was unhealthy. She said, and I quote, "No", and then offered the opinion that it was probably less dangerous than beef.

 

[Jipsah]

I said God said don't eat swine.

God also told St. Peter is was OK to eat 'em, and stifled Pete's objections by saying not to call what God had cleaned unclean. You wanna argue the point with Him, don't let me hinder you.

 

[Jipsah]

I don't have a private interpretation of scripture

Except as touching dearly held doctrines, as witness Acts 10:13-15

 

[Jipsah]

Yes, God's.

Well, no. In Acts 10, St. Peter initially took your position, and God had to school him.

 

[Jipsah]

Please keep in mind, that I don't subscribe, to man-made philosophies about God

Quoth everyone who ever defended a one-off doctrine based on shaky exegesis, or even wholesale eisegesis.

 

[Religiot]

God also told St. Peter is was OK to eat 'em, and stifled Pete's with objections by saying not to call what God had cleaned unclean. You wanna argue the point with Him, don't let me hinder you.

Do you really not know that Peter understood the vision to mean that God had also provided salvation unto the Gentiles?

 

[Religiot]

Except as touching dearly held doctrines, as witness Acts 10:13-15

I have only one dearly held doctrine, that is the Doctrine of Christ.

You, on the other hand, are promoting beliefs based on partial citations of scripture, and that, solely to justify your love of consuming swine--c'mon, man!