Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

[BobRyan]

Definition of CREATIONISM
"Creationism: a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis "

For the sake of this thread - the way the Bible describes creationism in Genesis 1:3-2:4 is that in 6 evenings-and-mornings God created
the Sun
the moon,
our atmosphere,
and all life on Earth with man and all land animals created in a single "evening and morning" day 6.

So then clearly that belief in creationism is not also belief in evolutionism by any stretch and no text on evolution defines it as stated in the creationist text... "The Bible".

Since this is the "Creationism" forum ... so my question is ... do we actually have any creationists posting here - where the term is defined by that Bible definition?

(I am posting this thread because it is starting to look like there are very few if any actual creationists posting here in this forum ... as in "not a believer in evolutionism" ... is it all just evolutionists here?)

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BTW: If you are a real 7 day creation week creationist not at all trying to get evolution to cause a single celled organism to turn into a horse over millions of years of time...then:

1. Look at all the details in these two posts #1 #2 (click the links) and tell me if you find one or two objective realities there that both atheist and creationist do in fact agree to.

2. Tell me if you think it is helpful to find a few points in common and then from there move to where views start to diverge​

 

[BobRyan]

Evolution is not the most logical choice based on observations in nature - so how is it we have so few creationists here? Or am I missing a group that does post here but just not this week?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The poll says 7 day creation week. Actually it was a 6 day creation week and God rested (stopped) from all His work on the 7th day. I believe in a literal 6 day creation week. This means each day is a literal 24 hours and God created everything that we see within it.

Important Note: Granted, it appears God had created the water at a previous time, because the water appeared to be already there when God was creating everything in the 6 day creation. What possible significance is there to this? Well, water is symbolic of the “communicated Word.” (See: Ephesians 5:25-27). Meaning, God's Word is eternal.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Evolution is not the most logical choice based on observations in nature - so how is it we have so few creationists here? Or am I missing a group that does post here but just not this week?

While I am a creationist, I don't make that the focus of my ministry like Answers in Genesis. I think a person should focus their ministry on Jesus, and then secondary sub information like a Young Earth Creationism should be one of the later things to discuss. Preaching the truth of Young Earth Creationism will not save anyone. But preaching Jesus Christ will save a person.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

While Macro-Evolutionism (Darwinism) is clearly false, there is a thing called Micro-Evolution which are changes within a species own kind. These are adaptations within a creature's own DNA so as to adapt to their environment. It's not an animal turning into a completely different kind or another animal altogether. Macro-Evolutionists confuse Micro-Evolution with Macro-Evolution. Macro-Evolution is clearly false because we do not have any proof for it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Check out this short movie short directed by Brett Varvel.

 

[PloverWing]

I chose "other". I believe that God created the universe and the species that inhabit Earth over a very long span of time, using the mechanisms generally agreed upon by astronomers, physicists, geologists, and evolutionary biologists.

 

[BobRyan]

While I am a creationist, I don't make that the focus of my ministry like Answers in Genesis.

That is fine -- few of us would do that

I think a person should focus their ministry on Jesus,

Agreed -- notice how the Gospel of John begins its focus on Jesus.

John 1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.

10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and yet the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him.

Notice what the "everlasting gospel" in Rev 14:6-7 includes

"6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven with an everlasting gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation, tribe, language, and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea and springs of waters.”

Notice how God ties that statement back to creation week.

Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Notice how it was God's choice to start scripture off - on this topic in Gen 1:3-2:4

and then secondary sub information like a Young Earth Creationism should be one of the later things to discuss. Preaching the truth of Young Earth Creationism will not save anyone. But preaching Jesus Christ will save a person.

Jesus will always be "the Way the Truth and the Life" John 14 as well as "The Word" John 1:1 that we are to accept as the Creator that the Bible describes Him to be in the way the Bible says He created.

My question was simply about those who choose to post on this area of the board - I don't see many creationists active here.

 

[BobRyan]

I chose "other". I believe that God created the universe and the species that inhabit Earth over a very long span of time, using the mechanisms generally agreed upon by astronomers, physicists, geologists, and evolutionary biologists.

That is fine - welcome.

Do you find many/any Creationists posting on this "Creationism" forum in the past or is it mostly silent in your POV?

 

[BobRyan]

The poll says 7 day creation week. Actually it was a 6 day creation week and God rested (stopped) from all His work on the 7th day.

Agreed... but it appears that in resting - He created something on the 7th day --

Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2:1-3
And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

I believe in a literal 6 day creation week. This means each day is a literal 24 hours and God created everything that we see within it.

amen to that.

Important Note: Granted, it appears God had created the water at a previous time, because the water appeared to be already there when God was creating everything in the 6 day creation.

yes agreed. Earth was there, covered by water and described as formless and void the same way Isaiah describes it during the millennium.

 

[BobRyan]

While Macro-Evolutionism (Darwinism) is clearly false, there is a thing called Micro-Evolution which are changes within a species own kind. These are adaptations within a creature's own DNA so as to adapt to their environment. It's not an animal turning into a completely different kind or another animal altogether. Macro-Evolutionists confuse Micro-Evolution with Macro-Evolution. Macro-Evolution is clearly false because we do not have any proof for it.

Certainly it is true that "mutations do happen".

but a prokaryote will never turn into a eukaryote over time -- and we have direct observations of more than 75,000 generations to prove it ... the Bible is stating observable fact as it turns out...

 

[BNR32FAN]

That is fine - welcome.

Do you find many/any Creationists posting on this "Creationism" forum in the past or is it mostly silent in your POV?

I haven’t paid much attention to which forum I’ve been in but I would say that from what I’ve seen there does seem to be more evolutionists in CF than creationists.

 

[BNR32FAN]

One thing that I think is interesting is many believe that man has been on earth for about 6 million years and the thing that puzzles me a bit is the way man has so recently advanced in technology in just the last 2,000 years. You would expect that if man had been on earth for 6 million years that his advancements in technology would reflect that but it doesn’t seem to in my opinion.

 

[BobRyan]

Check out this short movie short directed by Brett Varvel.

Just saw a few minutes of it - but I really like it -- will watch the rest later. thanks for sharing it.

 

[Fervent]

I voted other, because I don't have a fully developed belief on origins. How the world came to be and where the truth lies when it comes to mechanical origins I don't believe is necessarily cogent. I do believe the Bible is the absolute truth, so I tend to believe in a 7 day creation event of some kind yet if that is not how God actually did it I don't think is all that important. What's important is that theologically, we are to understand the issues along the lines of Biblical revelation. God created the universe good and man innocent, yet man introduced sin into the world through rejection of God. When speaking of these issues as Christians we must maintain the integrity of Biblical revelation over what is revealed through things like sensory data and human deductions, and as such cannot fully embrace an evolutionary origin that denies fundamental theological truths.

 

[J_B_]

Your poll confused me, but I consider myself a creationist. It's just that usually the term carries contingencies not mentioned in your definition such that YEC will insist I am not a creationist.

 

[Strathos]

I guess option 6 is the closest for me, but none of them really fit precisely.

 

[PloverWing]

That is fine - welcome.

Do you find many/any Creationists posting on this "Creationism" forum in the past or is it mostly silent in your POV?

Oops, I just realized what forum I'm in. I assume the "Creationism" forum is meant to be a safe space for Creationists, without interruption from non-Creationists, so I'll withdraw from the discussion after this post.

I see lots of Creationists posting in other forums -- "Creation & Evolution" and "Physical & Life Sciences", for example. Not being a young-earth Creationist, however, I don't intrude upon the Creationism forum.

 

[BobRyan]

Oops, I just realized what forum I'm in. I assume the "Creationism" forum is meant to be a safe space for Creationists, without interruption from non-Creationists, so I'll withdraw from the discussion after this post.

I see lots of Creationists posting in other forums -- "Creation & Evolution" and "Physical & Life Sciences", for example. Not being a young-earth Creationist, however, I don't intrude upon the Creationism forum.

Actually this forum has no rules from what I can tell. I posted a thread asking if there were rules or if this is a "safe space" for creationists and a moderator moved it to another forum that is for asking about CF rules - apparently the moderators are also not aware that there are any rules for this forum either.

So at the very "least" I would assume that none of your posts are in violation of any rule for this particular forum since I don't think they actually have any at present.

When they do come up with some -- we will all read them and comply but until then I think the forum has had such low activity that not much happens here.

 

[BobRyan]

Your poll confused me, but I consider myself a creationist. It's just that usually the term carries contingencies not mentioned in your definition such that YEC will insist I am not a creationist.

Not sure what that means. If you think all life on Earth is "young" as in 10,000 years or less (something like that) and you think that it all came about in a normal 7 day week of around 24hrs per day - it makes you a creationist (by the Merriam-Webster definition) no matter how long you think the Earth in its prior lifeless state existed.. (At least at a minimum).

Does that help?