Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

[J_B_]

Not sure what that means. If you think all life on Earth is "young" as in 10,000 years or less (something like that) and you think that it all came about in a normal 7 day week of around 24hrs per day - it makes you a creationist (by the Merriam-Webster definition) no matter how long you think the Earth in its prior lifeless state existed.. (At least at a minimum).

Does that help?

Yeah. I didn't see anything about "young" in your definition. I'm OK with 7 days. I don't think evolution (or abiogenesis) explains God's creative acts in Genesis. The Bible doesn't give an age of the earth, the universe, etc., so I call myself a timeless creationist.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Preaching the truth of Young Earth Creationism will not save anyone. But preaching Jesus Christ will save a person.

Actually, the message of YEC made a deep impression on this ex-athiest, and the message of Jesus Christ came along later. YEC made straight the way of Jesus into my heart.

 

[Toro]

Creationisim or evolution both have their gaps that come down to simple faith.

Either trust in man's "greatness" or in God's.

Trust that the system taught by man, that makes a leap of faith at every "missing link" through the evolutionary process that results... and pretty much ends at humanity for the last.... few thousand years.... where the pinnacle achievement over that time is that we grew taller.

Or

Trust in God's greatness that can make something "just be". That God doesn't need the egg to bring forth the chicken.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

While I am a creationist, I don't make that the focus of my ministry like Answers in Genesis.

That is fine -- few of us would do that

I don't think we can know how much “Answers in Genesis” influences people into trying to join in on the Young Earth Creationist ministry. Even if it is a small number of believers who may be influenced, it does not mean it is not a concern and should not be preached against.

I think a person should focus their ministry on Jesus,

Agreed -- notice how the Gospel of John begins its focus on Jesus.

John 1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.

10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and yet the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him.

Notice what the "everlasting gospel" in Rev 14:6-7 includes

"6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven with an everlasting gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation, tribe, language, and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea and springs of waters.”

Notice how God ties that statement back to creation week.

Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Notice how it was God's choice to start scripture off - on this topic in Gen 1:3-2:4
Jesus will always be "the Way the Truth and the Life" John 14 as well as "The Word" John 1:1 that we are to accept as the Creator that the Bible describes Him to be in the way the Bible says He created.

Your not teaching me anything new here. This is old stuff for me. Your acting like I never read these verses before. Of course Jesus created everything. Jesus is God or the second person of the Godhead or Trinity. So I am not in disagreement with the creation or that Jesus created everything. That's baby stuff that we learn when we first become a Christian. While Answers in Genesis does point to Jesus as their Savior, they are not making that the sole focus or discussion of their ministry but it is more about Young Earth Creationism. The problem with this is that if Young Earth Creationism is all I hear and I do not hear about Jesus, then a person misses the point about what Christianity is all about.

My question was simply about those who choose to post on this area of the board - I don't see many creationists active here.

Not many creationist Christians actually believe in a 7 day creation, but they believe in a 6 day creation as Scripture says. Even Answers in Genesis believe in a 6 day creation. So your poll is based on a false premise, friend.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Actually, the message of YEC made a deep impression on this ex-athiest, and the message of Jesus Christ came along later. YEC made straight the way of Jesus into my heart.

I am not denying that their ministry cannot be helpful to lead people to Jesus. A person can be led to Jesus by hearing a prosperity preacher on TV. That does not mean that the prosperity teaching amongst Christians is true. The point is that our focus of our ministry is Jesus and not the creation. If I preach the creation and nobody knows about Jesus, they will not be saved by my preaching about the creation. I am also not denying that God's Word cannot make a person wise to have faith in Christ, either. But the point here is that nowhere does Jesus and His followers teach to just preach the creation as our primary message.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't think we can know how much “Answers in Genesis” influences people into trying to join in on the Young Earth Creationist ministry. Even if it is a small number of believers who may be influenced, it does not mean it is not a concern and should not be preached against.

I don't have an AIG ministry or a ministry to preach against it. Not sure what that would be.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Agreed... but it appears that in resting - He created something on the 7th day --

Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2:1-3
And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

No. God did not create anything on the 7th day. He rested on the 7th day.

Genesis 2:2 KJB says,

“And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.”​

God ended his work on the seventh day. This does not mean He was still working.
His work had ended. It was finished.
God rested on the seventh day from all his work.
How can you rest from all your work on the seventh day if you are still working?
It says God ended his work on the seventh day.

That is why you are a Sabbatarian. You are supposed to do no rest on the Sabbath like God.
Granted, the Sabbath is no longer applicable under the New Covenant (See: Colossians 2:14-16).
But there is no convincing you of that unless you are one day open to such a truth due to circumstances of God talking to you about it.

 

[BobRyan]

Actually, the message of YEC made a deep impression on this ex-athiest, and the message of Jesus Christ came along later. YEC made straight the way of Jesus into my heart.

Very nice to hear. Blessings!

 

[BobRyan]

No. God did not create anything on the 7th day.

"Blessed" and "sanctified" making that a day to remember and observe - it was made on the 7th day..

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I don't have an AIG ministry or a ministry to preach against it. Not sure what that would be.

One does not have to have an official AIG ministry in order to preach like them. I believe their focus goes too far into the topic and it appears to be the main thrust of their ministry. Other believers can and have done the same thing witout being affiliated with AIG.

 

[BobRyan]

...
Granted, the Sabbath is no longer applicable under the New Covenant .

New covenant is defined in Jer 31:31-34 and repeated "unchanged" in Heb 8:6-12. It tells us that the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers is "written on the heart and mind" under that one-and-only "New Covenant".

and this is not just a Bible detail that Sabbath keeping groups know about.. oh no far from it...

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians, starting in Eden and continuing to this very day.


Assuming your settings allow you to view my signature -- note the point made there. This a Bible detail that both sides can see.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

"Blessed" and "sanctified" making that a day to remember and observe - it was made on the 7th day..

God blessing and sanctifying the seventh day is not work according to GOD.
It says in Genesis 2:2 that he ended his work on the seventh day. Meaning, by the seventh day, there was no more work He was doing.

 

[BobRyan]

Creationisim or evolution both have their gaps that come down to simple faith.

No doubt -- both are a matter of faith.

Either trust in man's "greatness" or in God's.

Trust that the system taught by man, that makes a leap of faith at every "missing link" through the evolutionary process that results... and pretty much ends at humanity for the last.... few thousand years.... where the pinnacle achievement over that time is that we grew taller.

Or

Trust in God's greatness that can make something "just be". That God doesn't need the egg to bring forth the chicken.

Right on! Thanks for that!

 

[BobRyan]

Yeah. I didn't see anything about "young" in your definition. I'm OK with 7 days. I don't think evolution (or abiogenesis) explains God's creative acts in Genesis. The Bible doesn't give an age of the earth, the universe, etc., so I call myself a timeless creationist.

I agree with you -- I have no claim to know how old the rocks are on Earth or the Universe itself or our Galaxy is.

Gen 1:1 is a summary stating that God made everything.
Gen 1:2 is an intro to Creation week telling us that before day 1 - earth already existed with water covering it.

Gen 1:3-end are the 6 working days of creation week - and each day starts with "And God said" and each day ends with "and evening and morning where the nth day"

I count that view as a 7 day creationist view for the purposes of this thread.

 

[Cis.jd]

I can't say I believe, but i'm very open to it. If i where to lean on what is plausible it would be theistic evolution.

I really do not believe the 6 literal day creation. I believe that is an embarrassing teaching that should not represent true Christian teachings. If God literally made the universe in literal 6 days, it's not this one.. what was in Genesis was universe prior to the fall

 

[BobRyan]

God blessing and sanctifying the seventh day is not work according to GOD.

agreed.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

New covenant is defined in Jer 31:31-34 and repeated "unchanged" in Heb 8:6-12. It tells us that the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers is "written on the heart and mind" under that one-and-only "New Covenant".

and this is not just a Bible detail that Sabbath keeping groups know about.. oh no far from it...

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians, starting in Eden and continuing to this very day.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

Unless there are Catholic Sabbatarians I don't know about (Which is certainly possible), most Catholics believe that the Saturday Sabbath was changed to Sunday. However, in reality, the truth is that while the calendar day of the Saturday Sabbath has not changed (Matthew 24:20), the command to keep the Saturday Sabbath has ended. For Christ nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (Colossians 2:14-16).

There is also no ten commandments given to Adam in Eden, either.
There is no Scripture verse or passage that says that.

 

[BobRyan]

I can't say I believe, but i'm very open to it. If i where to lean on what is plausible it would be theistic evolution.

I really do not believe the 6 literal day creation. I believe that is an embarrassing teaching that should not represent true Christian teachings. If God literally made the universe in literal 6 days, it's not this one.. what was in Genesis was universe prior to the fall

If you check these posts carefully you will see that almost no one here is claiming that God made the universe or our galaxy in 7 days. For a lot of creationists - the Creation account only deals with our Earth, our Sun, our moon and all life on Earth.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God blessing and sanctifying the seventh day is not work according to GOD.

agreed.

So then God did not work on the seventh day. It was not a 7 day creation but it was a 6 day creation. He did not create anything on the 7th day.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

I went to university to study science and looked especially into the matter of creationism/evolution. From a scientific point of view you will always find God when you are honest with yourself, and now, 8 years later, I am a fundamental creationist.

As the famous scientist Werner Heisenberg said already: "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."