As riot raged at Capitol, Trump tried to call senators to overturn election

[Dan1988]

If you cannot be swayed by any form of evidence, you already decided what your "truth" is, by rejecting anything that differs from your worldview. It's a disappointing thing to hear.

You are right, at least in some way; your opinion will not affect the outcome, and Biden will become president.

You have perfectly described the human condition above. This condition is universal and I hate to break it to you, but the Democrats suffer from the same condition.
You can't accuse others of bigotry, just because they don't agree with your world view. If you were perfectly righteous, then you could point the finger at those of us who have been deceived and used in a cruel game of chess.

 

[Dan1988]

That’s absolute nonsense. Half of the country doesn’t even think that, let alone the world. You need to get out of your bubble.

Most of the world loves President Trump, the only countries who hate his are North Korea, Cuba, Russia, Iran and China. That's about half of the world, the rest of us love him and we believe him when he says that Biden and Harris stole the election.

 

[Dan1988]

How long are you going to be stirring this pot?

I'm just responding to what I believe to be false allegations. I find it hard to walk away while the mud is being thrown around, especially when the mud doesn't stick.

 

[wing2000]

Most of the world loves President Trump, the only countries who hate his are North Korea, Cuba, Russia, Iran and China. That's about half of the world, the rest of us love him and we believe him when he says that Biden and Harris stole the election.

"...the rest of us?"

In international surveys conducted by Pew Research Center over the past few years, Trump has generally received lower ratings than either of his two predecessors – Barack Obama and George W. Bush – with relatively few people approving of his handling of international affairs.

Indeed, no more than a quarter of adults expressed confidence in Trump in any of the 13 countries surveyed by the Center this year. And in many nations where we have survey data for the past three administrations, the lowest ratings we’ve seen for any president have come during Trump’s time in office. For instance, just 5% of Mexicans voiced confidence in Trump’s leadership in 2017, the smallest share who expressed that view in surveys that date back to 2007.

The Trump era has seen a decline in America’s global reputation

And in AU:
New survey data collected by the United States Studies Centre suggests that in virtually every demographic and political group in Australia, the Democratic candidate Joe Biden is overwhelmingly preferred to President Donald Trump.

..

Australian men are almost twice as likely to support Donald Trump, at 30 per cent compared with 17 per cent for women. However, both groups still prefer Joe Biden to President Trump. Fifty-two per cent of women and 45 per cent of men say they would rather the Democratic candidate won the election.

State of the United States poll: Australians' preference for Trump grows, but preference for Biden grows more — United States Studies Centre

 

[Dan1988]

That's not true. Not true in the slightest.

If you look at the decisions, there were a number of courts that did actively consider their claims. Seven courts - three in Pennsylvania, one in Wisconsin, one in Minnesota, one in Arizona and one in Michigan - ruled on the merits of various suits seeking to have votes tossed out due to various alleged irregularities, or have entire state elections dismissed or certification delayed for recounts/investigations.

Universally, the judges that did rule on these cases found that there was no evidence to substantiate their claims. Some of the legal opinions were searing - to the point where several of the lawyers involved are now having to explain why they should not be disbarred over their actions and bringing forth cases with such a lack of merit.

The best way to shut down an investigation, is to refuse to examine and investigate the evidence. I don't know why the courts decided to do this, but I do have my opinion which I can't share as it not PC

 

[Dan1988]

"...the rest of us?"

In international surveys conducted by Pew Research Center over the past few years, Trump has generally received lower ratings than either of his two predecessors – Barack Obama and George W. Bush – with relatively few people approving of his handling of international affairs.

Indeed, no more than a quarter of adults expressed confidence in Trump in any of the 13 countries surveyed by the Center this year. And in many nations where we have survey data for the past three administrations, the lowest ratings we’ve seen for any president have come during Trump’s time in office. For instance, just 5% of Mexicans voiced confidence in Trump’s leadership in 2017, the smallest share who expressed that view in surveys that date back to 2007.

The Trump era has seen a decline in America’s global reputation

And in AU:
New survey data collected by the United States Studies Centre suggests that in virtually every demographic and political group in Australia, the Democratic candidate Joe Biden is overwhelmingly preferred to President Donald Trump.

..

Australian men are almost twice as likely to support Donald Trump, at 30 per cent compared with 17 per cent for women. However, both groups still prefer Joe Biden to President Trump. Fifty-two per cent of women and 45 per cent of men say they would rather the Democratic candidate won the election.

State of the United States poll: Australians' preference for Trump grows, but preference for Biden grows more — United States Studies Centre

There are around 300 countries in the world, so we can't get an accurate reading if only 13 are surveys. It leaves another 287 countries in the unknown

 

[wing2000]

Six hours of paralysis: Inside Trump’s failure to act after a mob stormed the Capitol

Hiding from the rioters in a secret location away from the Capitol, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) appealed to Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) phoned Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter.

And Kellyanne Conway, a longtime Trump confidante and former White House senior adviser, called an aide who she knew was standing at the president’s side.

But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

“He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV,” said one close Trump adviser. “If it’s TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls. If it’s live TV, he watches it, and he was just watching it all unfold.”

 

[Vylo]

There are around 300 countries in the world, so we can't get an accurate reading if only 13 are surveys. It leaves another 287 countries in the unknown

There are only 193 countries in the world, give or take a handful of disputes.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

There are only 193 countries in the world, give or take a handful of disputes.

Fake news!

I mean... FAKE ATLAS!

 

[wing2000]

There are around 300 countries in the world, so we can't get an accurate reading if only 13 are surveys. It leaves another 287 countries in the unknown

Find a reputable polling organization that polls the rest of the world...until then, I'll take the 13 over your opinion.

 

[Belk]

The best way to shut down an investigation, is to refuse to examine and investigate the evidence. I don't know why the courts decided to do this, but I do have my opinion which I can't share as it not PC

The decisions are available on line. We can read them and many of us have done so. They examined the evidence presented and found it sorely lacking.

 

[A2SG]

Most of the world loves President Trump, the only countries who hate his are North Korea, Cuba, Russia, Iran and China. That's about half of the world,

I can't comment on this, it's just too hard to take any of it seriously.

the rest of us love him and we believe him when he says that Biden and Harris stole the election.

But why do you believe him? Do you simply accept anything he says as true, no matter what?

-- A2SG, might wanna rethink that......

 

[SimplyMe]

The best way to shut down an investigation, is to refuse to examine and investigate the evidence. I don't know why the courts decided to do this, but I do have my opinion which I can't share as it not PC

Except you ignore that, even if we ignore the courts (that did examine the evidence and found it wanting, was appealed and they found the original judge ruled properly, etc.), there is Trump's DoJ that examined and found no evidence; there is Homeland Security, which is part of Trump's administration and run by his appointees, that found no evidence; there are the various state law enforcement agencies that investigated and found no evidence; there were the independent (including international) observers who saw no evidence of fraud occurring. The evidence is there that it was a fair election

Part of the issue, when you look at all the groups that examined the election -- with the sheer number of people that would have to participate in this type of fraud -- more than a handful of people would have come forward to give first hand testimony of the fraud -- how either they can't live with what they did (and get immunity for their cooperation) or that testify of how they were approached to commit fraud.

 

[LightLoveHope]

The only part I agree with you on, is that propaganda has divided Americans and turned them into irreconcilable enemies.

The answer to propoganda is facts, which cannot be argued around.
What you will discover though to blunt the idea of facts have power, people have started to invent their own reality. It is how flat earthers stay flat earthers, or climate change deniers stay climate change deniers, or covid-19 deniers stay covid-19 deniers.

In the past if you took a particular point of view it could lead to ones death by disease, starvation, war or something else. Life was brutal. In our generation and world it is clear many beliefs do not change very much in ones world, so in a way it is harmless but it can bring belonging and purpose to ones life. One problem with the human condition is we are designed for a mission, a purpose, a battle and we live for challenge. You hear it in the depressed young woman who now lives for their child, or the fanatic religious zealot who fighting the infidel, or the christian standing against the hordes of liberals.

Like many cultures having an enemy outside the country helps create a blame culture and focus. But this simple emotional focus has gone, to be replaced with the democrats and for the left the capitalists or republicans or anyone who holds an authority position.

The problem with these emotionally driven idiologies is they have no boundaries. So defunding the police is absurd, but integrating the police in communities works. Equally dealing with drug culture is important to contain dysfunctional people who threaten the safety of ordinary folk and society. But boundaries appear to be the current hate idea, where as they define what is a functional life and one going down the tubes.

Too strong individualism leaves the needy far behind, and when the needy make up 20% of the population it matters. When the needy starts to reach 40% you know its going to cause instability and social action. But who is strong enough to see the reality and address it?

Trump is a messenger of a divide, not a solution.
God bless you

 

[LightLoveHope]

Except you ignore that, even if we ignore the courts (that did examine the evidence and found it wanting, was appealed and they found the original judge ruled properly, etc.), there is Trump's DoJ that examined and found no evidence; there is Homeland Security, which is part of Trump's administration and run by his appointees, that found no evidence; there are the various state law enforcement agencies that investigated and found no evidence; there were the independent (including international) observers who saw no evidence of fraud occurring. The evidence is there that it was a fair election

Part of the issue, when you look at all the groups that examined the election -- with the sheer number of people that would have to participate in this type of fraud -- more than a handful of people would have come forward to give first hand testimony of the fraud -- how either they can't live with what they did (and get immunity for their cooperation) or that testify of how they were approached to commit fraud.

One ardent support told me the issue is not about Trump, but about the communist take over. It was at one point about morality but it is more easily put in terms of communism, because the right wing can agree about this. The sub text is they do not actually care about the fraud or its truth, they would rather fight for their "freedom" on any terms.

It is the reality the fake news media has flipped a population from belonging to a defined ideal and group, with both left and right political expressions, into evil enemies out to kill and destroy them. It has been made possible by exaggeration and lying to the degree that democrats are pedophile cannibals, wanting to depopulate the world.

Rather than spitting this out as clearly deranged, which it clearly is, millions have accepted it as the truth. But maybe the truth is the society is conflicted and having trouble facing the unknown future with news always carrying disaster stories, it is cathartic to believe it is all a conspiracy of evil against the shinning good innocent folk that we are.......

Just look at our movies, where is the optimism above the horror, violent, doom filled dross that is continually pushed out. We feed on what reflects our emotional mood, and that is not healthy or good at present.

God bless you

 

[The Ant]

The decisions are available on line. We can read them and many of us have done so. They examined the evidence presented and found it sorely lacking.

He’s definitely a Poe

 

[Vylo]

He’s definitely a Poe

I miss Poe, and love the fact I was here for when his law was made here.

 

[cow451]

Yes they did present their claims 60 times, but the courts refused to look at the claims.

Did you actually read any of the court decisions?

 

[cow451]

I miss Poe, and love the fact I was here for when his law was made here.

Nevermore ....

 

[cow451]

I believe there was a conspiracy to bring Trump down, and many Republicans colluded. The reason they did, is the same reason for every evil thing. "For the love of money, is the root of all kinds of evil".
Most people would betray their party, if they are rewarded financially.

How were the REPUBLICANS, already in office going to benefit financially from giving up the White House and Senate? Logic says the opposite would be true.