Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

[Timtofly]

Hmmm. If indeed there will be a 1000 year reign in our future, exactly as Rev, 20 states, and some particular person is not there; where else could they be? I can only think of the goats.

Heaven, earth, under the earth. Only 3 places as usual. If you reject Paradise, you are in sheol. If God rejects you, you are in sheol. If The Lamb chooses you as a sheep or wheat, you are on earth. If you are beheaded, then you are back on earth.

 

[BABerean2]

The Jews currently do not believe that Jesus is God.

The one below does.

A modern Orthodox Jew finds the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures:

It is sad fact he had to find it himself, instead of being shown this passage by a member of the modern Church.

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[Timtofly]

If Christ did not pay for God's judgment against me at Calvary, then throw your Bible in the trash can.

You are the one trying to judge the church twice not me. Talk about slander. You have an odd way of mocking a person's post to avoid the whole point.

 

[Douggg]

Agreed.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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......which was largely the point of Jesus's ministry....to confirm - through a human - what God had promised. Jesus....the second Adam.

Have you heard of this...

The First Noel, the Angels did say
Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep
On a cold winter's night that was so deep.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!


The great opposer to Jesus, following Gog/Magog, will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses, when he is anointed the King of Israel coming in his own name. Until in the middle of the week, reveals himself to be the man of sin.

Jesus is the true and rightful Prince messiah, King of Israel. The Antichrist is the prince messiah King of Israel who shall come, but coming in his own name.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[mkgal1]

Have you heard of this...

The First Noel, the Angels did say
Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep
On a cold winter's night that was so deep.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

Of course. I'm not following your point, though? I sure hope you aren't suggesting that, prior to Jesus's incarnation, that He didn't exist?

 

[mkgal1]

The great opposer to Jesus, following Gog/Magog, will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses, when he is anointed the King of Israel coming in his own name. Until in the middle of the week, reveals himself to be the man of sin.

So.....in your opinion.....Jesus didn't confirm the New Covenant? There's only 1 new covenant prophesied....and you're crediting that to an antichrist (stealing away from Christ's ministry).

 

[Douggg]

Of course. I'm not following your point, though?

King of Israel/messiah coming in the name of the Lord - Jesus.

King of Israel/messiah coming in his own name - the Antichrist. Following Gog/Magog are the seven years, he will be anointed the King of Israel and confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses, but in the middle of the 7 years reveals that he is the man of sin - and not the King of Israel/messiah after all.

It is 100% can't be wrong because it is Jesus Himself speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-22 and the remainder of Ezekiel 39 having returned to this earth.

 

[Douggg]

So.....in your opinion.....Jesus didn't confirm the New Covenant? There's only 1 new covenant prophesied....and you're crediting that to an antichrist (stealing away from Christ's ministry).

I am just saying to you what the confirm the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 is - without any chance of being wrong.

The Antichrist will claim a renewal of the Mt. Sinai covenant as the Jews interpret Jeremiah 31 - not claim that he is the new covenant as Christians understand the new covenant.

 

[mkgal1]

So.....in your opinion.....Jesus didn't confirm the New Covenant? There's only 1 new covenant prophesied....and you're crediting that to an antichrist (stealing away from Christ's ministry).

I am just saying to you what the confirm the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 is - without any chance of being wrong.

The Antichrist will claim a renewal of the Mt. Sinai covenant as the Jews interpret Jeremiah 31 - not claim that he is the new covenant as Christians understand the new covenant.

Is that a "no, Jesus didn't confirm the new covenant "?

 

[Douggg]

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Is that a "no, Jesus didn't confirm the new covenant "?

Jesus's death on the cross and rose from the grave on the third day is the new covenant.

And no the confirming of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 is not the new covenant, and separate from that, Jesus did not confirm the new covenant for 7 years.

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Hakhel - Wikipedia

"The term Hakhel (Hebrew הקהל) refers to a biblical commandment of assembling all Jewish men, women and children, as well as "strangers" to assemble and hear the reading of the Torah by the king of Israel once every seven years."

 

[jgr]

And no the confirming of the covenant for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 is not the new covenant, and separate from that, Jesus did not confirm the new covenant for 7 years.

Debunked.

 

[Douggg]

Debunked.

I think it is about time for you to recognize it is Jesus who is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-22 and the remainder of Ezekiel 39, at the end of the 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following Gog/Magog.

 

[jgr]

I think it is about time for you to recognize it is Jesus who is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-22 and the remainder of Ezekiel 39, at the end of the 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following Gog/Magog.

The word "confirm" does not appear in Ezekiel 39.

The word "confirm" appears in Daniel 9:27.

Prophesying of Messiah the Prince's confirmation of His New Covenant.

 

[Douggg]

The word "confirm" appears in Daniel 9:27.

...for 7 years. The 7 years is in Ezekiel 39, proved so by Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-22 and the remainder of Ezekiel 39.

the little horn>prince who shall come>the Antichrist>the revealed man of sin>the beast

The great opposer to Jesus, following Gog/Magog, will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses, when he is anointed the King of Israel coming in his own name. Until in the middle of the week, reveals himself to be the man of sin.

Jesus is the true and rightful Prince messiah, King of Israel. The Antichrist is the prince messiah King of Israel who shall come, but coming in his own name.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[jgr]

...for 7 years. The 7 years is in Ezekiel 39, proved so by Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-22 and the remainder of Ezekiel 39.

the little horn>prince who shall come>the Antichrist>the revealed man of sin>the beast

The great opposer to Jesus, following Gog/Magog, will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses, when he is anointed the King of Israel coming in his own name. Until in the middle of the week, reveals himself to be the man of sin.

Jesus is the true and rightful Prince messiah, King of Israel. The Antichrist is the prince messiah King of Israel who shall come, but coming in his own name.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The word "confirm" appears nowhere in the Scriptures you've cited.

The word "confirm" appears in Daniel 9:27.

Prophesying of Messiah the Prince's confirmation of His New Covenant.

 

[Douggg]

The word "confirm" appears nowhere in the Scriptures you've cited.

The word "confirm" appears in Daniel 9:27.

Prophesying of Messiah the Prince's confirmation of His New Covenant.

jgr, you are leaving out confirms the covenant for 7 years.

 

[jgr]

jgr, you are leaving out confirms the covenant for 7 years.

It is an everlasting covenant. It was first confirmed with believing Jews for seven years, then opened to the Gentiles.

 

[nolidad]

I have no problem with those definitions for "mediator" in the New Testament. In fact....this is how I described a mediator of God's covenants:

"an internunciator"
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Which is defined by agapeGreek as:

The word “ internunciator” carries a meaning of someone who speaks on the behalf of someone else (just as I posted earlier).

ETA: from Hebrews 1:1
God spoke to our fathers through the prophets (not "negotiated")
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However....covenants, as I've said a few times, were an ancient Hebrew practice. Job mentions not having a mediator....and, while that's the only instance I can find in the Old Testament, that doesn't mean that Noah, Abraham, Moses, and King David were not mediators that interceded and stood in the gap between God and humanity. Their actions demonstrate that fact.

מֹוכִ֑יחַ
(mo·v·chi·ach)
Is used in Job 9:33

Nor is there a mediator between us, to lay his hand upon us both.​

So you have just agreed with me.

Jesus is the go between between the Father and mankind!

 

[nolidad]

Cite an example of a Greek covenant like Abraham's and God's.

Now you are straining gnats.

There are no other covenants ever made like the one between God and Abraham- it was a one-off! The new Covenant is not like the one between Abraham and God in form or structure.

Greekas had covenants and the people understood when the writers used the word mediator.

 

[nolidad]

Strawman

You're the one who said that the word inspired by God and written by several NT authors didn't mean what it means normally.