Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

[nolidad]

Because I still don't understand how you can believe that and also say the New Covenant isn't fulfilled nor does the Gospel have anything to do with the New Covenant. You've agreed this is the New Covenant the author was writing about:

Hebrews 8
The New Covenant
(Jeremiah 31:26–40)​

6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.​

So show how the new covenant as said by God has been fuflilled:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[nolidad]

The forgiveness of ALL sin occurred on the Cross. There's only 1 covenant that promises that....and it's the New Covenant. There's only 1 time this will happen and that was 30 AD.

Peter explained this to those in covenant with God that were under the Mosaic covenant (the biblical ancient Israelites)....and their response was recorded for us in Acts 2. Here's an excerpt:

Acts 2
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”
37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”40With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.j
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I had answered it earlier (but I'm not digging for that post now).

So all jews since Pentecost have had all their sins forgiven and the laws of god written in their hearts and they all are the people of God? According to the new covenant? remember the covenant says to all of Israel and Judah!

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[nolidad]

Was the Gospel taken to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost?


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Already answered! But as you declare that Daniel 9 has the new covenant in it- are you saying that after teh 70th week which you believe is historic- teh gospel is no longer going out to the Jew?

How does that fulfill the NewCovenant as written?

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[nolidad]

That's not how I read that.

I read it that, after the days of the broken Mosaic Covenant, a new covenant will be formed (and it was on the Cross).

31Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD,

when I will make a new covenant

with the house of Israel

and with the house of Judah.32It will not be like the covenant

I made with their fathers

when I took them by the hand

to lead them out of the land of Egypt—

a covenant they broke,

though I was a husband to them,g”

declares the LORD
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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.​

Well let me ask you again. Verse 33 says "after those days" I will put my laws...... You believe those days are ended as the New Covenant was fuflilled by 30-34 AD or whenever as you tie it to Daniel 9, so when did after those days occur and God has written His laws in all the hearts of Jews, so that the whole house of Israel and Judah are His people and He is their God?

When did that happen according to you if the New Covenant is fulfilled?????????


BTW: it matters not HOW YOU read it, what matters is what is written!

 

[nolidad]

Former Dispensationalist Jerry Johnson addresses your words above:

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Well I will not let this man tell me who I align myself with or not! His arguments are shallow.

You are more interested in posting videos about how evil dispensationalism is.

Well I guess you are attached to RC doctrine ans Augustine is the father of modern covenantalism and amillenial thought! That is a door that swings both ways.

But this is just a red herring you posted to tryt oavoid answering the question I will keep asking:

show the historical fulfilment in deeds of the new Covenant as declared by God:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

If you want to have a debate about dispensationalism vs. covenantalism and millenial vs. a millenial doctrine- start a new thread and let me know. I will debate on those subjects there.

Other wise I suggest you answer the question I have repeatedly asked.

 

[nolidad]

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:



Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Do you think the author of the Book of Hebrews was confused when he quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34, word-for-word in Hebrews 8:6-13, and used the word "now" in verse 6?


What covenant do you think about 3,000 Israelites accepted on the Day of Pentecost?


Do you think Paul was confused below?

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?



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You already asked and I have already answered. If you didn't pay attention the first time, why should I bother answering a second time?

also why should I answer any more of you rquestions when you refuse to answer mine?

 

[nolidad]

Your exact words were:

"I do not ignore "now", I just don't force it to mean something it does not!"
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Full context here: Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

Well how did I misued the word now? you and BAB have made the accusation, so now back it up with specific and not general comments.

I agree that Jesus is NOW the mediator of the new covenantr. but it is yo uthat has redefined the word mediator and have not supported your redefinition either historically, grammatically or even biblically. all you did is redefine it and give some ethereal argument to justify yourself.

 

[nolidad]

God isn't "negotiating".

God "speaks" through His chosen mediators....like this example:

Leviticus 26:46
These are the decrees, regulations, and instructions that the LORD gave through Moses on Mount Sinai as evidence of the relationship between himself and the Israelites.
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From the New Testament

Matthew 23:2-3
“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice
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.......language is limited. There's no specific language formed to describe God's interactions with humanity.

Then why did Paul use a specific word with a specific meaning that refutes your comment here?

He could have used other terms more suitable like minister (diakonos) or Lord (kurios) or dozens fo ther words. But He didn't so you are forced to retranslate meanings.

also you need to read your bible more and see that God has negotiated with humanity many many times!

If you ever have tried to bring a soul to Christ- you were involved in divine negotiations!

 

[mkgal1]

But today fewer and fewer people believe that the first half of the 70th week is fulfilled. More and more are coming to believe that the entire 70th week is future to us today.

Truth isn't about majority rules. I'll continue to believe that the historical and orthodox church is correct. I'm honestly gobsmacked that any Christian would rather deny what God has fulfilled.

 

[BABerean2]

You already asked and I have already answered. If you didn't pay attention the first time, why should I bother answering a second time?

also why should I answer any more of you rquestions when you refuse to answer mine?

It is God who answers in Romans 9:6, instead of me.

If you do not like what God says, then that is between you and God.


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[BABerean2]

But this is just a red herring you posted to tryt oavoid answering the question I will keep asking:

show the historical fulfilment in deeds of the new Covenant as declared by God:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

How many times do I have to post Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, which quote directly from Jeremiah 31:31-34, before you give up your claim found above.

Either the author of the Book of Hebrews was confused about the historical fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:31-34, or you are confused.

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[mkgal1]

Then why did Paul use a specific word with a specific meaning that refutes your comment here?

He could have used other terms more suitable like minister (diakonos) or Lord (kurios) or dozens fo ther words. But He didn't so you are forced to retranslate meanings.

I'm not the one retranslating meanings.

Covenants like the ones with mediators Abraham; Moses; King David; and Jesus, the New covenant mediator are all based on the ancient Hebrew cultural covenants. It's not a Greek practice, so there's not Greek language to describe the terms. As I already posted, language has limitations.

We can, however, read Scripture and see just how these human mediators acted as foreshadows of Jesus the mediator.

 

[mkgal1]

also you need to read your bible more

I'd appreciate it if you could try to offer others the respect that's been extended to you. These comments are inflammatory and unnecessary.

 

[mkgal1]

I agree that Jesus is NOW the mediator of the new covenantr

.....but, yet, your assertion has been that the New Covenant has not been fulfilled. How does that work? Do you just mean that it's an ongoing process? I'm trying to follow your argument.

 

[jgr]

If you believe you can skip over one antecedent and choose an earlier one, then more study is needed.

Tell us what's skipped.

 

[Douggg]

Tell us what's skipped.

jgr, who do you think the prince who shall come is?

Was the temple and city destroyed long after the messiah was cutoff ?

 

[parousia70]

Truth isn't about majority rules.

IKR?
Shocking I keep running into this argument more and more here...

As If Correct doctrine is to be determined by Mob Rule..

If that were the case, the 12 Apostles, being in the minority in their day, ought to have been rejected outright and Christianity should have been relegated to the dust bin of History 2000 years ago...

 

[iamlamad]

Anyone who claims God did not fulfill His promises to the Jewish people through the sacrifice of His Son at Calvary, has abandoned what is written in the Bible.

All forms of Dual Covenant Theology, based on race, ignore Paul's warning against genealogies in Titus 3:9.

There is only one people of God in John 10:16.


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
2Jn 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.


Any person who willingly rejects God's Son has made the personal decision to go to the lake of fire.
God provided that choice through the sacrifice of His Son.
There is no Plan B, based on race.

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This post is myth. God is going to bring 1/3 of Jacob "through the fire" (of the 70th week) in spite of them ignoring their Messiah, and finally will appear to them when all hope is gone, and then will fulfill His promises to them. For example, the last ten chapters of Ezekiel. Chapter 48 lays out the LAND they will have - MUST more than they have now. These verses in Zec. remain to be fulfilled - but they will be.

Zec 14:
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

As far as Race, God CHOSE Abraham, not the other way around.

 

[iamlamad]

Tell us what's skipped.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[jgr]

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

"He" is singular.
"Prince" is singular.
"Messiah" is singular.
"People" is not singular.
"Messiah" is a "Prince".
"Messiah" is not a "people".

What referent is associated with "people"?