Critical Race Theory

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He quotes scholars Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic to prove his point! He uses their exact words.
Yeah, he uses partial sentences from these authors and spends more time projecting information into the quotes than ehT the quotes actually say.

Here he quotes one of the founders of Critical Race theory; Derrick Bell saying this.
I'm familiar with the concept Lindsay is alluding to, the problem again is that the quote doesn't directly say what Lindsay says it does, Nd it's once again an out of context partial quote[/quote]

Here he even uses a quote from Robin DiAngelo’s book is everybody really equal to show this is an actual goal.
I have read more recent books by D'Angelo and she clarifies further her position.

He also quotes from authors Sensoy and DiAngelo and Delgado and Stefancic, speaking out against color blindness in their books.
Color blindness does not need to address demographic issues; there are other ideologies to address that.
You are actually answering the very issue yourself. CRT is not about individual judgements, but about Demographics, color Blindness is about dealing with individuals. I would expect scholars that deal with demographics to point out that a framework used for individual interaction to not be applicable.
 
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ill use a famous example. Black Americans are roughly 13% of the population and are about 50% of the prosecuted crime statistics. Now scholars can use the CRT framework and additional data to figure out why this is the case.

Another example is the migration pattern study I posted several pages back. With the CRT framework and the available data a conclusion can be arrived at and policy and/or legislation can be brought forth.

I understand crime is an issue...but I don't understand what the issue is related to demographics.

You're saying it's a problem that they're committing roughly 50% of violent crimes or that they're prosecuted for it?
 
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I understand crime is an issue...but I don't understand what the issue is related to demographics.
Race is a demographic.

You're saying it's a problem that they're committing roughly 50% of violent crimes or that they're prosecuted for it?
That its happening/being committed. CRT is examing the systems, policies, and methods that has resulted in this being the reality.
 
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Race is a demographic.

You selected for it though....we could select for a demographic other than race.

I can't tell if you're saying it's an issue because it's crime...

...or because it's black people...

Or something else?

That its happening/being committed. CRT is examing the systems, policies, and methods that has resulted in this being the reality.

So, for example, when a young black man chooses to be in a gang...you think that choice is related to a racist policy?
 
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You selected for it though....we could select for a demographic other than race.
.....then it wouldn't be critical race theory? Critical race theory is one of several different branches of critical theory, which focuses on class and location.

I can't tell if you're saying it's an issue because it's crime...

...or because it's black people...

Or something else?
I think its because I'm not making a copy paste argument. OK, we can agree that the stats say that 50% of prosecuted black crime is committed by Black people in the US.

Many that have done scholarly work and research under the framework of CRT then look to history, policy/legislation, data about the crimes themselves, and other various circumstances [economics, education level, job availability, etc] to then understand what has led to the current status quo.


So, for example, when a young black man chooses to be in a gang...you think that choice is related to a racist policy?
Its not as simple as saying, because policy X person does Y. Its more centered on probability. In CRT it would be more about looking at the history of how slavery, Jim Crow, etc. Effected the group being looked at. Socioligy looks into the factors.

A black person could join a gang for several reasons. Community could be a factor. Money could be a factor Purpose could be a factor.

What is the likelihood of a white person joins a gang. Same questions arise.

CRT asserts that since many of the conditions that help to breed crime were caused by policies and legislation that a government that was primarily focused on the interests of "White" people. That the stats make sense and that its evidence of the concept of "White Supremacy".

This does not exonerate people for doing acts that are detrimental to society, it just adds context and is hopefully used to fix policy and legislation.
 
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.....then it wouldn't be critical race theory? Critical race theory is one of several different branches of critical theory, which focuses on class and location.

Well that's my point....why not focus on age? Those 18-35 are committing a vastly disproportionate share of crime. If the "demographics issue" is "crime" why wouldn't we focus on age or even gender?

I think its because I'm not making a copy paste argument. OK, we can agree that the stats say that 50% of prosecuted black crime is committed by Black people in the US.

I'm just trying to not make assumptions about what you think.

Many that have done scholarly work and research under the framework of CRT then look to history, policy/legislation, data about the crimes themselves, and other various circumstances [economics, education level, job availability, etc] to then understand what has led to the current status quo.

Well that's exactly what I'm saying with that last question...

You're talking about a cause/effect relationship. You're saying there's this cause and effect between policy of the past and phenomenon of today.

That's all I'm trying to do....actually think critically about it.

If, for example, the cause of a large portion of that violent crime was connected to gang activity (and for the sake of argument, let's say it is) I would want to look at the average age that a black person joins a gang, and then I'd try to find a large sample of those people and find out why they joined a gang.

If their reasons ultimately add up to something like "I tried to find a job and couldn't so joining seemed like the only option" I could then perhaps work my way backwards to some racist policy of the past that has had this outsized large factor effect on the demographic.

If however, the big reasons for joining are largely socially constructed...things like "everyone I know is in a gang" or "gang members are my friends" or "gang culture is cool...they get girls/money/status/etc" then I have a whole new set of reasons I need to dig through.

CRT doesn't actually do this...it starts with the assumption that the phenomenon of today is caused by some racist white person in the past....and works it's way forward. That's why it's always going to sound like racist scapegoating...anyone actually familiar with the problem of gang violence in black communities. They know gang members aren't typically going around putting in job applications, getting rejected, and then trying to join a gang as a job.

It's as if CRT skips all the actual legwork in studying sociological phenomena and starts with the conclusion (white people's fault) and then works it's way backwards.

Its not as simple as saying, because policy X person does Y. Its more centered on probability.

I totally understand that...there's lots of reasons why someone would want to join a gang...but if gang violence is largely responsible, then we'd want to examine and try to understand those reasons.

If for example, we continue on with actual critical examination and find that these gangs formed largely out of the collapse of the middle class during the death of the manufacturing industry during the 70s-80s....that's not going to have much to do with the racist policies of the past. It's going
to have more to do with the opening of foreign labor markets than some racist decisions of a CEO. I'm fairly certain that if we had records of those decisions....they probably won't consider anything racial at all.

We might be able to continue down the cause and effect chain and find some link to a racist policy in the past....but by then the influence of the policy on the present is going to be minimal, isn't it?

I certainly can't think of a racist reason for the death of so much American manufacturing that would be valid. Most of the foreign labor markets weren't white.


What is the likelihood of a white person joins a gang. Same questions arise.

Even better....the Aryan Brotherhood is one of many almost completely racially homogeneous prison gangs. They make up less than 1% of the prison gang population in the US at any time. Despite this, they commit about 18% of all prison murders and undoubtedly a vastly huge percentage of the other crimes that occur in prison.

How would CRT examine this? Are we going to start with the assumption that some nonwhite person in the past is responsible for this "demographic issue"? Or would it be white people again? And why?

CRT asserts that since many of the conditions that help to breed crime were caused by policies and legislation that a government that was primarily focused on the interests of "White" people. That the stats make sense and that its evidence of the concept of "White Supremacy".

I'm going to have to ask what you mean by "white supremacy" and how it's different from "a white person who is racist"?

I'm just asking you because I see the term thrown around these days in confusing ways. You have people talking about the threat of white supremacist groups that are defined by their belief in a white ethno-state. You also have people who say that a white person who votes for Trump is a white supremacist, even though Biden is also white, and very few people seem to believe in an ethno state.

This does not exonerate people for doing acts that are detrimental to society, it just adds context and is hopefully used to fix policy and legislation.

We can only hope to fix any problem if our understandund of it's cause is correct. If we begin with a theory that assumes a cause....we're going to be wrong a lot of the time.

If you genuinely believe there's a direct connection between poverty and elevated crime....we'd need to effectively rule out the vast majority of the biggest causes of poverty before we can conclude that past or present racism must be the cause.
 
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The moral failures of racist white people is what I'm talking about, not ALL white people. If I gave you the impression that I hate white people, I have either misrepresented myself or you have made the wrong assumtion about my opinions based on my argument.

Your 1,2,3 assumption of my opinion is greatly oversimplified what is known as "culture." Culture is: the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.

You think part of "white culture" is being racist?

It doesn't look cultural to me at all.

The most populous ethnic group of the United States has always been western European. One aspect of that culture especially in the new world was the common belief that non-white people were born to be in a subserviant position in society. The latest science of the time and the "culture" taught that blacks were uncivilized, weak minded, lazy, permiscuous, impulsive, and if not controlled, criminal and violent etc. The laws of the timenot only reflected these cultural beliefs it reinforced tham.

So do you think that black culture in the US, as a result of being transported to the US and stripped of their culture of course, also carries a lot of racist beliefs that still exist?

My argument has been (though apparently not properly articulated) that when a commonly accepted and promoted belief of an ethnic groups culture is so central to their understanding of the world and in some places their fundamental way of life for hundreds of years, The culture likely did not do a complete 180 in one generations. Though the culture is rapidly changing, I think it will take more time for the old belief system to be replaced with an entirely new one.

So, generally speaking, you believe that there's a large percentage of racist white people today?

Now, I never said all white people are racist, I keep saying (clumsily) that the dominant culture of white superiority has not been replaced. Donald Trump has bragged about capturing the vote of the "silent majority vote." Do you know who has always been considered the "silent majority?" You got it, whites who still believe in the old ways. They keep "silent" about how they feel so people don't lecture them about being bigoted.

I've never heard that definition of "the silent majority".

Just out of curiosity....do you think that the average white person has heard a lot of racist ideas and comments from other white people when non-white people aren't around?
 
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Economics is not a race thing. White people do not all think the same. Just because there may be more white shareholders in company “X” does not mean the company will be run any different than it would be if the company had majority of black shareholders
If you don't believe it is more difficult for black employees to obtain positions in upper management and board rooms I don't know what to tell you other than I suggest you do some research.
I ain’t talkin’ about 150 years ago, I’m talking about today
I think it is silly to think that what happened yesterday does not affect today. That is like saying what we do today has no effect on what happens tomorrow. It is a very basic principle called cause and effect/

Economics is not a race thing. White people do not all think the same. Just because there may be more white shareholders in company “X” does not mean the company will be run any different than it would be if the company had majority of black shareholders
Statistics show that white males on average make more money than women and people of color for doing the same jobs with the same qualifications. That's economic. Homes in neighborhoods that are predominately white consistently retain higher resale value than homes in diverse neighborhoods even when there are similar crime statistics. That is economics. I'm not even going to get into crony capitalism
A whole lotta people in South Africa will disagree with you.
Now you are talking about colonization and apartheid. That is not a "typical scenario. In fact, when the colonists left Africa, many of the businesses of colonizing countries retain rights over natural resources like oil, timber, diamond and gold mining among countless other exploitations of their natural resources. The local puppet government gets a cut and the people get nothing. That is a whole other devastating form of racism that is really more sinister than all others.
I ain’t talking about what’s going on all over the world, I’m talking about what’s going on in THIS country. In this country; white land owning males do not run the show.
Who does? Black people? Native Americans? Are you saying white males are not in control of the banking system and government policy in this country? All of a sudden there s an even distribution of wealth for all ethnic groups in the United States? There are more opportunities for minorities than ever but it is white males who sit in the boardrooms of finance and industry. THey allow a few talented people in but they keep control.
Yes. Black people can get away with being a racist more than white people.
*If a white person said about black people what Nick Cannon said about white people (closer to animals than human) Do you think public reaction would have been the same?
*If a white actor did what Jussie Smollett did but against black people, do you think he would have gotten away with it?
*If a white cop did this to a black man, do you think people would have noticed?
When racism happens against white people, it is more acceptable in American society than when it happens to black people
I don't know much about how or why people react to viral videos differently. My feeling is that in general white people are more accepting of police killing people and it does not affect their communities the same way it seems to affect black communities.
The vast majority of people killing black people are other black people; and the reason they usually get away with it is because of the toxic no snitchin’ culture the people in the community adheres to. If BLM spent half as much of their effort demonstrating against black on black crime that they spend on the few cops that murder, we would see real change. But then of course it is easy to fight for change as long as it doesn't require change from you!
Black communitiesh problems to deal with without being picked off by the people who are supposed to protect and serve them.

The issues that plague the black community are very complicated and there is a multitude of them. We would need to start a whole new thread to get into what has helped and hurt the black community since reconstruction. I am positive that I have an entirely different outlook on what factors have contributed to this tragic situation in our poor neighborhoods some self-inflicted and some inflicted by the ruling class. I'm not even going to waste your time trying to teach you about it. You seem to be completely in lockstep with the European American worldview. Because of that, I can't help you. May God bless you and guide you, black man.
 
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If you don't believe it is more difficult for black employees to obtain positions in upper management and board rooms I don't know what to tell you other than I suggest you do some research.
What does that have to do with anything I said?
I think it is silly to think that what happened yesterday does not affect today. That is like saying what we do today has no effect on what happens tomorrow. It is a very basic principle called cause and effect/
What happened yesterday may affect today in a big way, but what happened 100,000 yesterdays ago has very little of an effect on what happens today
Statistics show that white males on average make more money than women and people of color for doing the same jobs with the same qualifications. That's economic. Homes in neighborhoods that are predominately white consistently retain higher resale value than homes in diverse neighborhoods even when there are similar crime statistics. That is economics. I'm not even going to get into crony capitalism
I’ve heard of women doing the same job, with same qualifications getting paid less than men (heavily refuted I guess it depends on who is interpreting the data) but I haven’t heard of this concerning black people. Can you provide something to back up this claim? I would like to see it.
Now you are talking about colonization and apartheid. That is not a "typical scenario. In fact, when the colonists left Africa, many of the businesses of colonizing countries retain rights over natural resources like oil, timber, diamond and gold mining among countless other exploitations of their natural resources. The local puppet government gets a cut and the people get nothing. That is a whole other devastating form of racism that is really more sinister than all others.
I only mentioned South Africa because it refutes your claim that the majority race of the population always runs everything.
Who does? Black people? Native Americans? Are you saying white males are not in control of the banking system and government policy in this country? All of a sudden there s an even distribution of wealth for all ethnic groups in the United States? There are more opportunities for minorities than ever but it is white males who sit in the boardrooms of finance and industry. THey allow a few talented people in but they keep control.
Your problem is that you insist on seeing white people as one, acting as one, behaving as one, thinking as one; reality does not work that way. No single race acts as one, everybody acts as individuals. You wanna know who runs the show in this country? The 3 branches of Government run the show; consisting of black, white, brown, and every other color you can think of. You wanna know who runs the boardrooms? CEO’s and there are CEO’s of every color. You need to realize people don’t act or think, according to their race.
I don't know much about how or why people react to viral videos differently. My feeling is that in general white people are more accepting of police killing people and it does not affect their communities the same way it seems to affect black communities.
It’s called black victimology. There is a lot of power in being the victim these days.
 
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You think part of "white culture" is being racist?

It doesn't look cultural to me at all.
Not that whites have been taught to be sinister racists who wants black people to suffer or go away. There are pervasive ideas about black people that have been with us since the beginning (like all the things about lazy criminals, watermelon Kool-Aid, not as intelligent, immoral etc. which these days amount to what are now known as "stereotypes." Before the verbiage for stereotypes was born, people just thought of those pervasive ideas and facts. I believe most ethnic Europeans still have an unconscious feeling that blacks aren't as trustworthy or smart.
So do you think that black culture in the US, as a result of being transported to the US and stripped of their culture of course, also carries a lot of racist beliefs that still exist?
Yes, there is a lot of resentment, and people who do not accept personal responsibility for the bad choices they have made in life because of the obstacles they have faced. Some people are born in horrible circumstances black or white and something in them drives them to make something of themselves. Blaming the white man for all of your problems when you make bad choices does not foster that kind of drive.
So, generally speaking, you believe that there's a large percentage of racist white people today?
I think the word "racist" is too harsh fa word to describe most whites. I don't believe the majority of whites wish to dominate minorities or exploit them. It's more like I believe most whites have grown up being exposed to stereotypes of people that unconsciously affect their first impressions of those minorities. Whatever they were exposed to growing up in terms of stereotypical imagery, family of origin attitudes, and peer observations or personal experience that negates those stereotypes about minorities will affect those first impressions or pre-judgments more or less.
I've never heard that definition of "the silent majority".
Just out of curiosity....do you think that the average white person has heard a lot of racist ideas and comments from other white people when non-white people aren't around?
I oversimplified it. It's more about the majority of people who either don't know or don't care about there being a not so equal society. I think this day and age there are a lot less stereotypical images of blacks but it is still there on TV, in music, movies, media in general AND misinformation or prejudgements made by friends and family people get exposed to along with some having negative personal experiences that color their opinion of everyone in that group of people at an impressionable age. There are a lot of prejudgments unconscious or conscious that stop people from accepting minorities as equals.
 
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The issues that plague the black community are very complicated and there is a multitude of them.
No! The specific issues I pointed out are not complicated.
We would need to start a whole new thread to get into what has helped and hurt the black community since reconstruction.
No we would not. Going back to reconstruction is not necessary in dealing with the issues of today.
I am positive that I have an entirely different outlook on what factors have contributed to this tragic situation in our poor neighborhoods some self-inflicted and some inflicted by the ruling class.
The vast majority is self inflicted. As far as the ruling class, most of the ruling class are black democrats. The Mayor is often black, the city council is often majority black, the Police Chief often black, and a large number of cops are black. The problem is the citizens often give power to movements and organizations like BLM that focus on only 5% of the problem (things that somebody else needs to change like police brutality and racism) and they totally ignore 95% of the problem that only they can change; like single motherhood, mocking professional speech and getting good grades in school as acting white; something that is to be ashamed of, while glamorizing the disrespect of black women, and thug life as something to strive for. We need a change of culture; why do you think 1st and 2nd generation black immigrants Africa, Caribbean's, and other nations do better than native blacks? How come institutional racism doesn’t seem to affect them the way it affects us? We need to start addressing the whole problem, not only the 5%.
I'm not even going to waste your time trying to teach you about it..
Consider the possibility that there is something here that YOU need to learn.
 
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You think the ruling class is black democrats? Black folks control the federal government, banking, law enforcement, and the major corporations in America? When did that happen? I must have been sleeping. Did conservative republicans kidnap you and stick you in some kind of mind control device? I think you are just messing with me now. You can't be serious.

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You think the ruling class is black democrats?
In many of these cities, yes.
Black folks control the federal government,
The federal government does not control cities, if it did Trump would have wasted no time in sending troops into Seattle and Portland to squash the riots. The mayor said no, and Trump had to respect that.
Banks don’t control cities.
law enforcement,
City government controls law enforcement; not the other way around.
and the major corporations in America?
Name a major corporation that controls a city (hint there isn’t one) If Major Corporations controlled cities, AOC would not have so easily kept Amazon from setting up shop in New York!
When did that happen? I must have been sleeping.
Naaw; more like misinformed; judging from what you said above
Did conservative republicans kidnap you and stick you in some kind of mind control device? I think you are just messing with me now. You can't be serious.
Do you understand how the Government works? Do you understand the difference between Federal Government, State Government, City government, the roles they play and limitations they have?
As far as the graph you presented, it plays into the culture I mentioned earlier. Black do on average have 1/10th the wealth of white people, but they also wear more expensive clothes, Jewelry, and are more likely to drive luxury cars than white people. It is more common for white people to use their excess money to make more money, and more common for black people to use their excess money to give the appearance of having more money. This is a cultural problem not a racial problem. Also your graph is based on households; and since there are 2-3 times as many black households on a percentage basis run by single parents (single income) vs married parents where both work (duel income) that adds to the household wealth disparity as well. Again; cultural problem not a racial one.
 
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CRT asserts that since many of the conditions that help to breed crime were caused by policies and legislation that a government that was primarily focused on the interests of "White" people.

And there's the racism bleeding through. As if having safe neighborhoods and schools were a "white interest". Granted, CR theorists also assert that "being on time" and "valuing education" are "white"things.
 
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The federal government does not control cities, if it did Trump would have wasted no time in sending troops into Seattle and Portland to squash the riots. The mayor said no, and Trump had to respect that.
The Fed gives chumks of money to cities for municipal programs. Cities have property taxes but they also get Federal funds based on what they do with them. In a Conservative administration, more funding gets laid out for law enforcement, democratic administrations typically focus on education and health care. They don't provide all of the money but they increase it based on how on board the administration is with the Fed's program. Obama took a lot of heat for defunding republican run programs. State and local governments create programs that follow the authors of the programs political ideals ie. Police or healthcare programs for example. They sind a copy of their program's budget to the Federal government and the Fed decides if they will fund all, some, or none of the program/ Based on that, it gets put to a committee interested in that programs and if it passes committee it gone on the floor or the city ounsil for a vote. If it passes, they get all or some of the funding they requested. Obama denied republican programs and Trumo denies democrat programs when they has a passable reason to.
The federal government does not control cities, if it did Trump would have wasted no time in sending troops into Seattle and Portland to squash the riots. The mayor said no, and Trump had to respect that.
Do you think spreading Federal troops all over the country under a central authority who have no ties to the local communities may perhaps escalate the situation instead of quelling it? How would people being shot dead on the evening affect people who want to riot but haven't yet. Did you know that they found cargo vans full of white nationalists and firebombs in the hopes of starting the stupid race war they want to kick off so badly?
Banks don’t control cities
So let me get this straight......Banks have nothing to do with who gets investment loans in what areas for what projects, and they have no input on what real estate the back itself invests in or where they choose to do it, in what neighborhoods of what cities. So they have 0 input on what neighborhoods they encourage and approve investment in, nor do they have any input on where they invest? Riiiiight!
Example, the owner of the Minnesota Vikings stated that he would move the team if he did not get a new stadium for the team. The bank gave a loan guaranteed by the state government and boom, a 200 million dollar investment downtown gift-wrapped to the Viking's owner. Banks don't control cities?
Name a major corporation that controls a city (hint there isn’t one) If Major Corporations controlled cities, AOC would not have so easily kept Amazon from setting up shop in New York!
Amazon now that you mention it, was gifted a huge parcel of land in Shakopee Minnesota. They got the land because they would then become the largest employer not just in that city but in that area of the state. Do you think they can't ask for a favor from the city counsel of Shakopee? Do you think the massive number of people they employ can't be influenced by the company to vota a certain way? Corporations controlling a city.
Black do on average have 1/10th the wealth of white people, but they also wear more expensive clothes,
So let me get this straight......Blacks with 1/10th of the wealth of white people actually ARE the ruling class? Amazing that black people could control the government on 1/10 the income. Poor black do act "Ghetto Fabulous" but educated black people with good jobs and mortgages tend to live on a budget just like their white counterparts. If they are intelligent, educated, and hard-working enough to be a success in a white lead industry, they likely are also in full command of the self-control, patience, and the mathematical ability to create a budget and live by it. The average hard-working black person is not a bufoon like you seem to suggest. You can make any excuse you want for the income gap to be so wide but it's there and it's real. Do you buy into all the watermelon and Koolaid in every black home? You do know that black people are also scientists, lawyers, College Presidents, artists and 5 star Generals as well as "Welfare Queens" to quote Ronald Reagan.
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African Americans are paid less than whites at every education levelAverage hourly wages, by race and education, 2015
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Less than HS
$13.57 $11.25
High school $18.00 $14.24
Some college $19.80 $15.85
College $31.83 $25.77
Advanced degree $39.82 $33.51

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Source: Economic Policy Institute, State of Working America Data Library, “Wages by education,” 2016

Racism and corruption are real. Black folks are not to blame for people being racist toward them
 
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The Fed gives chumks of money to cities for municipal programs. Cities have property taxes but they also get Federal funds based on what they do with them. In a Conservative administration, more funding gets laid out for law enforcement, democratic administrations typically focus on education and health care. They don't provide all of the money but they increase it based on how on board the administration is with the Fed's program. Obama took a lot of heat for defunding republican run programs. State and local governments create programs that follow the authors of the programs political ideals ie. Police or healthcare programs for example. They sind a copy of their program's budget to the Federal government and the Fed decides if they will fund all, some, or none of the program/ Based on that, it gets put to a committee interested in that programs and if it passes committee it gone on the floor or the city ounsil for a vote. If it passes, they get all or some of the funding they requested. Obama denied republican programs and Trumo denies democrat programs when they has a passable reason to.
Though there may be an influence, the Federal Government does not control cities.
Do you think spreading Federal troops all over the country under a central authority who have no ties to the local communities may perhaps escalate the situation instead of quelling it?
No. If federal troops came into a rioting city and provided consequences for rioters; something the city neglected to do, I think that would stop the rioters.
So let me get this straight......Banks have nothing to do with who gets investment loans in what areas for what projects, and they have no input on what real estate the back itself invests in or where they choose to do it, in what neighborhoods of what cities. So they have 0 input on what neighborhoods they encourage and approve investment in, nor do they have any input on where they invest? Riiiiight!
I didn’t say that; I said the banks do not control the city! Try addressing what I said.
Amazon now that you mention it, was gifted a huge parcel of land in Shakopee Minnesota. They got the land because they would then become the largest employer not just in that city but in that area of the state. Do you think they can't ask for a favor from the city counsel of Shakopee? Do you think the massive number of people they employ can't be influenced by the company to vota a certain way? Corporations controlling a city.
There is a big difference between influence vs control. You claimed Corporations control the city.
So let me get this straight......Blacks with 1/10th of the wealth of white people actually ARE the ruling class?
There is no such a thing as a ruling class, we have elected officials who are voted into office that rule. In majority minority neighborhoods, a large percentage of those elected to rule are minority.
Amazing that black people could control the government on 1/10 the income. Poor black do act "Ghetto Fabulous" but educated black people with good jobs and mortgages tend to live on a budget just like their white counterparts. If they are intelligent, educated, and hard-working enough to be a success in a white lead industry, they likely are also in full command of the self-control, patience, and the mathematical ability to create a budget and live by it. The average hard-working black person is not a bufoon like you seem to suggest. You can make any excuse you want for the income gap to be so wide but it's there and it's real. Do you buy into all the watermelon and Koolaid in every black home? You do know that black people are also scientists, lawyers, College Presidents, artists and 5 star Generals as well as "Welfare Queens" to quote Ronald Reagan.
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African Americans are paid less than whites at every education levelAverage hourly wages, by race and education, 2015
White Black
Less than HS
$13.57 $11.25
High school $18.00 $14.24
Some college $19.80 $15.85
College $31.83 $25.77
Advanced degree $39.82 $33.51

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Source: Economic Policy Institute, State of Working America Data Library, “Wages by education,” 2016

Racism and corruption are real. Black folks are not to blame for people being racist toward them
A large percentage of black people live in the Southern States where wages and cost of living are lower.
 
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There is a big difference between influence vs control. You claimed Corporations control the city
You have never heard of lobbyists. Ok. Lobbyists control politicians who control the Fed the state, and cities. Whoever has the most money controls the government. This is not a happy happy joy joy everything is fair world. Money rules the world. White people rule the money. If you don't know that and you think it's black people making the decisions in this country, I feel sorry that nobody taught you anything besides white is right.
There is no such a thing as a ruling class, we have elected officials who are voted into office that rule. In majority-minority neighborhoods, a large percentage of those elected to rule are a minority.
I can see you live in a conservative fantasy world. I hope you come to learn what really goes on in the world. You think a few elected black politicians really decide what goes on in this country? You must not know the value of money nor the system that controls it. It's not black-owned nor operated. Like I said money rules the world, Europeans and European Americans rule the money the world back the Fed all ha white boards of directors. Black politicians hold press conferences, they rule finance, savings, and loans for the globe like white bankers do.
A large percentage of black people live in the Southern States where wages and cost of living are lower.
So what? The white people that live there still make more. What does the cost of living have to do with white people making more than blacks with the same education? Do you think there are more blacks down south than whites? Check it out it's 50/50. Why do you either excuse or deny racism when you are black and all the information is right in front of your face?

You think 400 years of Jim Crow and slavery has been fixed in one generation? You think this is a fair and equal country and blacks are the real problem here? Why do you hate your own race? You will never be white no matter how much contempt you have for your fellow American born Africans.
 
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You have never heard of lobbyists. Ok. Lobbyists control politicians who control the Fed the state, and cities.
Corporate lobbyists do not control politicians, they influence politicians. And lobbyists aren’t the only ones influencing politicians.
Whoever has the most money controls the government. This is not a happy happy joy joy everything is fair world. Money rules the world. White people rule the money. If you don't know that and you think it's black people making the decisions in this country, I feel sorry that nobody taught you anything besides white is right.
You jokin’ right? You honestly don’t believe black people have any power in this country? We just had a 2 term black President! Ever heard of the Congressional Black Caucus? Currently they represent 82 million Americans; over 25% of the entire US population. Black people make up only 13% of the population yet the black Caucus represents over twice that amount. Keep in mind; not every black person chooses to join the CBC so when you consider the entire number of black people representing, it is actually more!
Congressional Black Caucus
No other race of people in the history of the USA has ever achieved this; not Asian, not Mexicans, obviously whites who make up over 50% of the population can’t represent twice the 50+%; only blacks politicians have accomplished this.

They have Black lives matter painted on the streets of Washington DC, and countless other cities. How many cities do you know of that have something of equal footing for white people?
Black Lives Matter painted on 16th street leading to White House, Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser announces - CBS News
Practically every major corporation in this country is in the pocket of BLM. For you to bury your head in the sand and proclaim black people have no power, make no decisions, or do not have a hand in ruling this country is to ignore reality.

I will reply to the rest later.


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Upon further reflection, I’ve noticed the rest of what you said was just a bunch of empty claims, hyperbole, and petty insults; I didn’t think it was worth dignifying with a response. I think I’m done here.

Peace!
 
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They have Black lives matter painted on the streets of Washington DC, and countless other cities. How many cities do you know of that have something of equal footing for white people?
White people already know their lives matter. Now they need to accept that black lives matter also. So do you.
Corporate lobbyists do not control politicians, they influence politicians. And lobbyists aren’t the only ones influencing politician
That's right, you never heard of big tobacco, THe Federal Reserve, Aviation (Boeing gets a billion-dollar check every year to keep their company here, big oil (who got the Prez to halt all green initiatives implemented by the previous administration). There are plenty more players than that and yes they do control the politicians the get elected through their finance and connections. You think Boeing just send a $50 check to his local political. No it's pay for play. Time to snap out of that lolly pop gum drop world you live in. Politics isn't noble, it's one of the filthiest games there is. Blackmail, bribery, assassination, theft, illegal arms deals, and any other disgusting action will get them elected or get what their handlers want.
You jokin’ right? You honestly don’t believe black people have any power in this country? We just had a 2 term black President! Ever heard of the Congressional Black Caucus? Currently they represent 82 million Americans; over 25% of the entire US population. Black people make up only 13% of the population yet the black Caucus represents over twice that amount. Keep in mind; not every black person chooses to join the CBC so when you consider the entire number of black people representing, it is actually more!
Congressional Black Caucus
No other race of people in the history of the USA has ever achieved this; not Asian, not Mexicans, obviously whites who make up over 50% of the population can’t represent twice the 50+%; only blacks politicians have accomplished this.
First off Obama is 1/2 black. You think he would have got elected without a connected liberal white mother. He would have never made it on the ballot. What did he do for black people anyway? What has the black caucus done besides eat brunch and talk about issues? What laws have they passed to kelp black Americans? I didn't see you talking about anything they have accomplished but get elected and represent oh so many people. What did they do for their two times the black population? Their not doing anything but making speeches and lining their pockets. I'm sure they care about people but what can they really do? They run nothing. There is still not enough of them to get a vote through. They just have a way to get favors by saying (you approve a b and c funding for my business partners in my city and I'll make sure your bill gets a yes from the blacks I work with."

I insult you because you insult the struggle with your "everything's just fine" attitude about the obstacles that minorities must overcome and your claims that white people had nothing to do with it. It's a slap in the face, and your "don't worry be happy" attitude when you address the income gap and other issues where blacks are made second class by making excuses for what are racist practices, then turning around and blame black people for it. Like blacks deserve less or something.

You right, you should be done here. You should be done everywhere with that Tom Turkey stuff you talk about that need to just stay in your mind.
 
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And there's the racism bleeding through. As if having safe neighborhoods and schools were a "white interest". Granted, CR theorists also assert that "being on time" and "valuing education" are "white"things.
citations?
 
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