The extreme Left really does want to abolish the police

[Skreeper]

And pay no mind to the fact that the "Nazi" Party's chosen name was the National Socialist German Workers Party. Or that it operated in most ways like any other Socialist Party.

“Socialism is the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income.

And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.” – Adolf Hitler.

You don't need to lecture a German about Nazi Germany. We get every detail drilled into our heads for 3 years straight during High school.

Hitler used a bait and switch tactic with socialism to increase his own power and the power of his party. He ever actually enacted truly socialist policies instead he made empty promises to get public opinion on his side.

Do not forget, Hitler and his party was a far-right fascist movement to further the power of Germany and the Arian people.

 

[cow451]

No, it's just that the Socialists have done their best to disguise their true intentions with moderate language. And it often works. Consider how often someone writes on one of these threads that if our society has public schools or a post office, "that's Socialism!"

It's only socialist if it's a government program you don't like?

 

[LostMarbels]

Do not forget, Hitler and his party was a far-right fascist movement to further the power of Germany and the Arian people.

But far right in Europe... left/right is not the same in US.

 

[Albion]

You don't need to lecture a German about Nazi Germany. We get every detail drilled into our heads for 3 years straight during High school.

Hitler used a bait and switch tactic with socialism to increase his own power and the power of his party. He ever actually enacted truly socialist policies instead he made empty promises to get public opinion on his side.

Do not forget, Hitler and his party was a far-right fascist movement to further the power of Germany and the Arian people.

First, Fascism is not National Socialism, even though there are some similarities.

And, second, Fascism isn't "far-right" either.

It is a pity that people persist in thinking of political movements in terms of that old straight-line graph while, at the same time, most people seem to realize that the circular or horseshoe-shaped or quadrant models are more correct. If these were used to address what we are talking about here, it would be obvious that Hitler and Mussolini were anything but "far-right."

Now, as to Hitler being a verbal trickster, yes, most people recognize that, but neither does it mean that everything he preached and (perhaps more important) everything he did was not Socialism. It adds up to a form of Socialism, although not identical to Marxist Socialism.

 

[FireDragon76]

You don't need to lecture a German about Nazi Germany. We get every detail drilled into our heads for 3 years straight during High school.

Hitler used a bait and switch tactic with socialism to increase his own power and the power of his party. He ever actually enacted truly socialist policies instead he made empty promises to get public opinion on his side.

Do not forget, Hitler and his party was a far-right fascist movement to further the power of Germany and the Arian people.

The "socialism" in national socialism doesn't refer to adherence to a leftist ideology, but to organizing people into collective social action. Except instead of using solidarity as a principle, as true socialists would, the principles used is hatred and resentment towards perceived out groups.

 

[Sparagmos]

The latter is a "security firm" which the less good sort of politicians have been threatening to replace police with for years upon years, and the people I saw were men around 25 to 35, firstly i. in identical black blousons, moving in a line with linked arms before breaking up, secondly ii. with identical red ties and similar shirts, marching rather fast - Both about a year ago, in different but nearby streets, a few weeks apart - I expect people are getting up to those pranks everywhere these days

I’m sorry, I don’t understand the context. There is nothing odd about police or security wearing uniforms, I don’t know why politicians have threatened to replace police with a security firm, or what this security firm is doing. Or how it relates to abolishing the police. I can assure you that no one in my city talking about abolishing the police wants to replace them with a private security form. Tha5 would be the opposite of what they want.

 

[Aldebaran]

There is a diversity of opinion on “the left” as to what to do about those problems with the police. No one saying defund means abolish. It’s strange that instead of the simplest explanation that we have different opinions you’re going with we all want to abolish the police but are using different terms? C”mon...

And very, very few ppl left of center want to abolish the police. You really don’t need to worry about that ever happening.

I already pointed out examples of those who are finally admitting to it. I'll post more, if that's what it takes.

 

[Aldebaran]

how is applying your "logic" to the other side of the aisle off topic?

The thread is not about the "other side of the aisle".

 

[Aldebaran]

Wait, are the extreme left dangerous terrorists or wimpy snowflakes? Which is it?

They either melt, or they have a meltdown. All the same in the end.

 

[Aldebaran]

What you are calling the "The Left" are not monolithic or of one mind on all things. Few human groups are.

The Democrat establishment is not about to defund the police. It is not a serious policy being proposed by them. However, questions of how we address social ills outside of even more policing are perfectly legitimate, and even welcomed by many police officers themselves.

That's why I specifically said, "The extreme Left"

 

[Nithavela]

You don't need to lecture a German about Nazi Germany. We get every detail drilled into our heads for 3 years straight during High school.

It felt longer.

 

[Sparagmos]

They either melt, or they have a meltdown. All the same in the end.

So they aren’t dangerous terrorists?

 

[Sparagmos]

I already pointed out examples of those who are finally admitting to it. I'll post more, if that's what it takes.

Examples that show we all want the same thing, to abolish the police? No you don’t.

 

[Aldebaran]

So they aren’t dangerous terrorists?

When they have a meltdown, they are.

 

[Aldebaran]

Examples that show we all want the same thing, to abolish the police? No you don’t.

Are you identifying with the extreme left that I was making reference to?

 

[Sparagmos]

They either melt, or they have a meltdown. All the same in the end.

And how many people have these far left melting snowflakes killed in the last 20 years?

 

[Aldebaran]

And how many people have these far left melting snowflakes killed in the last 20 years?

In 20 years? Why that long?
I'll show you how many have died, according to Forbes, as of June 8th due to the meltdowns we're currently talking about. As of then, it was 19.
14 Days Of Protests, 19 Dead

I'll try to get some information on other riots in the name of "Say his/her name" that have occurred since then.

 

[Sparagmos]

In 20 years? Why that long?
I'll show you how many have died, according to Forbes, as of June 8th due to the meltdowns we're currently talking about. As of then, it was 19.
14 Days Of Protests, 19 Dead

I'll try to get some information on other riots in the name of "Say his/her name" that have occurred since then.

None of those people were killed by “far left snowflakes.” That list is a joke.
Until the recent killing by an Antifa guy in Portland, the number was zero.

Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years

 

[Aldebaran]

None of those people were killed by “far left snowflakes.” That list is a joke.
Until the recent killing by an Antifa guy in Portland, the number was zero.

Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years

Your left-leaning source doesn't surprise me. They protect their own.

 

[Quartermaine]

No, it's just that the Socialists have done their best to disguise their true intentions with moderate language. And it often works. Consider how often someone writes on one of these threads that if our society has public schools or a post office, "that's Socialism!"

yes words do change meanings over time so go be gay (happy and carefree) and look up what socialist meant a century ago