MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

[LittleLambofJesus]

Apologies LLOG, I just woke up (around 5 am my time). Sorry for calling you David. I do understand that Luke 21 is in relation to Jesus and the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet. This refers to DANIEL 9:24-27 which ended up with JERUSALEM being destroyed in 70 AD by the Roman Empire The fufillment of this prophecy was the result of the Jews crucifixtion and rejection of Jesus as the Messiah.

Do you know of any other individuals that Jesus condemned to the "gehenna"?
Btw, what are the views of the SDA's concerning the "gehenna"? thanks

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?
What is the biblical "gehenna"

Mat 23:
33 'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?
37 'Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee

Rev 17:16
“And the ten horns which you saw on[fn] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Rev 18:18
and were crying, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying,
What city is like to the great city?
Rev 19:2
“For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication;
and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.”

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[LoveGodsWord]

Do you know of any other individuals that Jesus condemned to the "gehenna"?
Btw, what are the views of the SDA's concerning the "gehenna"? thanks

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?
What is the biblical "gehenna"

Mat 23:
33 'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?
37 'Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee

Rev 17:16
“And the ten horns which you saw on[fn] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Rev 18:18
and were crying, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying,
What city is like to the great city?
Rev 19:2
“For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication;
and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.”

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Sorry LLOG, I have been away a bit.

Hades is equivalent to the Hebrew she’ôl, the most common Old Testament term for the realm of the dead. These names simply represent the grave or the place to which all descend at death, with no connotation of punishment or reward. There is one text, however, where hades appears to be connected with punishment. It is in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

Read Luke 16:19-31. What is the basic lesson that this parable sets forth (see especially Luke 16:27-31)? What’s wrong with using this parable to teach that human beings go to paradise or hell immediately after death?

This parable is not focused on the state of man in death. A popular but unbiblical belief that many of Jesus’ contemporaries held provided the background for this parable, which teaches an important lesson: our future destiny is determined by the decisions we make daily in this life.

If we reject the light God grants us here, there is no opportunity after death. Any attempt to interpret this parable literally leads to many insoluble problems. Actually, the details of the picture seem purposely awkward in order to show us that Jesus did not intend His words to be taken literally, but figuratively.

What warnings did Jesus pronounce regarding hell? See Matt. 5:22, Matt. 5:29-30; Matt. 23:33.

In many Bible translations, the word hell appears eleven times on Jesus’ lips. He actually used the Greek term gehenna, from the Hebrew name Gê Hinnom, Valley of Hinnom.

According to the Old Testament, in this gorge south of Jerusalem, kings Ahaz and Manasseh conducted the horrendous pagan rite of burning children to Molech (2 Chron. 28:3; 2 Chron. 33:6). Later, godly king Josiah brought the practice to a halt (2 Kings 23:10). Because of the sins perpetrated in it, Jeremiah prophesied that God would make the place a valley of slaughter (Jer. 7:32-33; Jer. 19:6).

Hence, for the Jews, the valley became a symbol of the last judgment and the punishment of the impenitent. Jesus used the name figuratively, without explaining any details regarding the time and place of the punishment, which we find in other biblical passages. Hell, though, is not a place of eternal punishment. (source)

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?

SUMMARY SO FAR AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER

We have looked at and ideitified who the HARLOT WOMAN sitting on the scarlet colored BEAST is and let the scriptures define these symbols which the bible alone says that the MYSTERY HARLOT NAMED BABYLON represents the UNFAITHFUL MOTHER CHURCH of all Churches which also has UNFAITHFUL DAUGHTER CHURCHES * REVELATION 14:8; 17:1-5; 18:1-10. We have also seen through God’s WORD that it is NOT the people in these CHURCHES that God are the problem but what they teach the people which leads them away from God’s Word and that God has his people in ALL of these Churches and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in TRUTH according to the Word of God *REVELATION 18:1:4. We also saw that a BEAST in bible prophecy represents a KINGDOM while a HORN on a BEAST represents a KING that may come out of that KINGDOM *DANIEL 7:23-25

We also looked the HEBREW and GREEK meanings of MARK; SEAL and SIGN and compared these word meanings with the scriptures found in REVELATION 13:6; REVELATION 7:4-10; DEUTERONOMY 6:8; EZEKIEL 9:1-11; EXEKIEL 20:11-12; All of which liked the SERVITUDE of OBEDIENCE to God’s 10 Commandments to God’s SEAL; SIGN and MARK (which all have a similar meaning) or SERVITUDE to DISOBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments. *REVELATION 14:8-12. As the MARK is a symbol of SERVITUDE to God’s WORD and OBEDIENCE or SERVITUDE to the BEAST and DISOBEDIENCE we saw that RECEIVING the BEASTS MARK of DISOBEDIENCE in the HAND or the FOREHEAD means; *HAND = To act out or to do action (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Acts 4:28 etc) *FOREHAND = To believe or think (EZEKIEL 3:8-9; JEREMIAH 3:3 see also word meanings).

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CONCLUSION: The MARK OF THE BEAST is a SYMBOL OF SERVITUDE to the BEAST of REVELATION 13 and REVELATION 14; REVELATION 17 and REVELATION 18 which is influenced by the MOTHER OF ALL UNFAITHFUL CHURCHES names BABYLON THE MAOTHER OF HARLOTS *REVELATION 17:1-5.

This MARK is received in the HAND which means to act out and do what the BEAST commands in WORSHIPPING the BEASTS image (you do not have to believe the BEAST), while to receive the MARK in the FOREHEAD means to BELIEVE and do what the BEAST commands *REVELATION 13:15-16.

Those who are SEALED by GOD serve him through OBEDIENCE and SERVITUDE to God’s WORD *REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. They do not bow down to the BEASTS FALSE IMAGE of WORSHIP and before the final judgments of God are poured out GOD calls all his true people to leave these CHURCHES to whorship and follow him in Spirit and in Truth.

The MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE SEAL OF GOD is received over SERVITUDE doing what the BEAST asks resulting in DISOBEDIENCE to God’s WORD or BELIEVING and FOLLOWING what God asks us through his WORD and disobeying what the BEAST asks us. The issue will be over WORSHIP. Who do we worship, God by believing and following his WORD or the BEAST by following the teaching and traditions of men that lead us away from God to break his Commandments *REVELATION 13:8; 13:12; 13:15; 14:7; 14:11; MATTHEW 15:3-9

The issue of worship is over God’s 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172

This results in a people of GOD who keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of God by faith in God’s WORD. REVELATION 22:9; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. The issue is over OBEDIENCE and DISOBEDIENCE.

No one has received the MARK OF THE BEAST until it become ENFORCED UNDER CIVIL LAW *REVELATION 13:16-17. The issue will be over worship *REVELATION 13:8; 13:12; 13:15; 14:7; 14:11; MATTHEW 15:3-9. Do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD and keep ALL THE COMMANDMETNS of GOD *REVELATION 22:9; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14 or do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW the MOTHER OF HARLOTS *The MOTHER of all UNFAITHFUL CHURCHES, and RECEIVE the MARK of the BEAST? Which will you choose?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (linked to scripture studies in this thread)

Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6 linked
Q2. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO FEAR GOD? v7 linked
Q3. HOW DO WE GIVE GLORY TO GOD? v7 linked
Q4. WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT ABOUT? v7 linked
Q5. WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT? v8; 17:1-5; 18:1-9
Q6. THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS OVER WORSHIP v8-12
Q7. WHO IS GOD’S TRUE CHURCH IN GOD’S WORD? v12
Q8. WHAT DOES A BEAST OF KINGDOM REPRESENT IN DANIAL AND REVELATIONS?
Q9 WHAT ARE THE SYMBOLS AND MEANING OF MARK, SIGN AND SEAL?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?
Q12. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SUNDAY LAWS HAVE ALREADY PASSED?
Q13. WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE MAN OF SIN, THE BEAST AND 666?
Q14. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 1/2
Q15. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 2/2

QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT

 

[Douggg]

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God.

In SDA teachings - what day of the week did Jesus resurrect his body?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In SDA teachings - what day of the week did Jesus resurrect his body?

Nope. Only God's Words have been shared in this thread as demonstrated in the linked posts above. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? - Yep there is none.

 

[Timtofly]

Nope. Only God's Words have been shared in this thread as demonstrated in the linked posts above. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? - Yep there is none.

Humans cannot keep anything holy. Only God can do that. We are to Remember it as Holy unto God. The first Sabbath was 1000 years set apart for God. The soon Coming Millennium will be 1000 years set apart and Holy to God. That is what we are to remember. All I hear is denial denial....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Humans cannot keep anything holy. Only God can do that. We are to Remember it as Holy unto God. The first Sabbath was 1000 years set apart for God. The soon Coming Millennium will be 1000 years set apart and Holy to God. That is what we are to remember. All I hear is denial denial....

Jesus says, unless we are born again we cannot see the Kingdom of God *JOHN 3:3-7. Those who are born of God do not practice sin and those who do have not seen or know him *1 JOHN 3:6. JESUS says you shall know them by their fruits *MATTHEW 7:13-19. Gods new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12 is salvation from sin not salvation to continue in sin *JOHN 8:32-36. If we continue in sin we will die *HEBREWS 10:26-31. Faith in God's Word establishes God's law it does not abolish it *ROMANS 3:31. There is no condemnation to those who have been born again in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made them free from the law of sin and death that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in those, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4. This is why we are told to walk in the Spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16 and to be you holy; for I am holy *1 PETER 1:16. Our words do not matter. Only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus says, unless we are born again we cannot see the Kingdom of God *JOHN 3:3-7. Those who are born of God do not practice sin and those who do have not seen or know him *1 JOHN 3:6. JESUS says you shall know them by their fruits *MATTHEW 7:13-19. Gods new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12 is salvation from sin not salvation to continue in sin *JOHN 8:32-36. If we continue in sin we will die *HEBREWS 10:26-31. Faith in God's Word establishes God's law it does not abolish it *ROMANS 3:31. There is no condemnation to those who have been born again in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made them free from the law of sin and death that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in those, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4. This is why we are told to walk in the Spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16 and to be you holy; for I am holy *1 PETER 1:16. Our words do not matter. Only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word

This post refers to the current sin condition. It cannot refer to the Millennium where sin has been removed. That is the point. Are you perfect, without any need to repent? Why do you think they are not perfect in the Millennium, if they have been resurrected out of this body of sin into an incorruptible body, after being judged? They will not even have a sinful nature like we have from birth.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This post refers to the current sin condition. It cannot refer to the Millennium where sin has been removed. That is the point. Are you perfect, without any need to repent? Why do you think they are not perfect in the Millennium, if they have been resurrected out of this body of sin into an incorruptible body, after being judged? They will not even have a sinful nature like we have from birth.

What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying dear friend? We need to worry about today before we can think about tomorrow.

 

[Timtofly]

What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying dear friend? We need to worry about today before we can think about tomorrow.

Today has already been taken care of. Do you not trust and obey a God Who has already planned out the future?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Today has already been taken care of. Do you not trust and obey a God Who has already planned out the future?

Of course I trust and obey. There is no such thing as once saved always saved however. According to the scriptures only those who endure temptation to the end will be saved.

 

[Timtofly]

Of course I trust and obey. There is no such thing as once saved always saved however. According to the scriptures only those who endure temptation to the end will be saved.

So you can loose grace on the death bed?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you can loose grace on the death bed?

God's Grace and salvation are conditional on believing and following God's Word to the end.

 

[Timtofly]

God's Grace and salvation are conditional on believing and following God's Word to the end.

The Atonement on the Cross is dependent on our state of mind? Does that mean sometimes it happened and at other times it did not happen?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Atonement on the Cross is dependent on our state of mind? Does that mean sometimes it happened and at other times it did not happen?

Jesus says unless we are born again we cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus says unless we are born again we cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven.

I agree we can be born again. Then after that we can become unborn?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree we can be born again. Then after that we can become unborn?

Those who are born again do not practice sin.

 

[parousia70]

Those who are born again do not practice sin.

Rather, those who are born again have their sins forgiven. All are sinners still. Even you, friend, still sin.

In fact, ONLY sinners are Saved.

 

[parousia70]

Q5. WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT? v8; 17:1-5; 18:1-9

Earthly Jerusalem, by Divine right and calling, was the preeminent city among all nations. The Hebrew/Biblical understanding of Jerusalem is that she is the "Chief of the nations" (Jeremiah 31:7; Ez 5:5), the Queen city of the earth (Lam 1:1/Rev 18:7). She, by Divine right and covenant, was appointed as the head of all nations (Deut 26:19; Deut 15:6; Deut 28:1,10-13), and the gentile kings recognized God's dwelling was at Jerusalem with the Hebrews (1 Ki 10:24; Luke 11:31; Ezra 1:2; Dan 2:47, 3:28-29, 4:1-3, 4:17, 4:34-37; Ezra 1; Ezra 4-7; Ezra 7:15,23).

The Governor of all nations (Ps. 22:28) lived in Jerusalem in his House (Ez 7:15,23), and all the kingdom, power and might over earth was His (1 Chron 29:11-12). Indeed, all kings receive their power to rule from that Divine King (Rom 13:1-2,6; John 19:11; 1 Pet 2:13-14,17; Ez 1:2; Dan 1:1-2; Dan 2:20-21; Dan 2:37-38; Dan 2:47, Dan 3:28-29; Dan 4:1-3,17,34-37.).

Yet, Jerusalem was also famous for becoming The Harlot City -- an unfaithful spouse to her King (Isa 1:21; Jer 3:6-10; Ez 16:37-39).

Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another mans, May he return to her again? Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me, says the Lord.

Jeremiah 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no latter rain. You have had a harlots forehead; You refuse to be ashamed.

Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

Jeremiah 13:27 I have seen your adulteries And your lustful neighings, The lewdness of your harlotry, Your abominations on the hills in the fields. Woe to you, O Jerusalem! Will you still not be made clean?

Ezekiel 16:15 But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.

Ezekiel 16:16 You took some of your garments and adorned multicolored high places for yourself, and played the harlot on them. Such things should not happen, nor be.

Ezekiel 16:17 You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images and played the harlot with them.

Ezekiel 16:20 Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter,

Ezekiel 16:22 And in all your abominations and acts of harlotry you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, struggling in your blood.

Ezekiel 16:25 You built your high places at the head of every road, and made your beauty to be abhorred. You offered yourself to everyone who passed by, and multiplied your acts of harlotry.

Ezekiel 16:26 You also committed harlotry with the Egyptians, your very fleshly neighbors, and increased your acts of harlotry to provoke Me to anger.

Ezekiel 16:28 You also played the harlot with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; indeed you played the harlot with them and still were not satisfied.

Ezekiel 16:29 Moreover you multiplied your acts of harlotry as far as the land of the trader, Chaldea; and even then you were not satisfied.

Ezekiel 16:30 How degenerate is your heart!says the Lord God, seeing you do all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot.

Ezekiel 16:31 You erected your shrine at the head of every road, and built your high place in every street. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned payment.

Ezekiel 16:34 You are the opposite of other women in your harlotry, because no one solicited you to be a harlot. In that you gave payment but no payment was given you, therefore you are the opposite.

Ezekiel 16:35 Now then, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord!

Ezekiel 16:36 Thus says the Lord God: Because your filthiness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotry with your lovers, and with all your abominable idols, and because of the blood of your children which you gave to them,

Ezekiel 20:30 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Are you defiling yourselves in the manner of your fathers, and committing harlotry according to their abominations?

Ezekiel 23:11 Now although her sister Oholibah saw this, she became more corrupt in her lust than she, and in her harlotry more corrupt than her sisters harlotry.

Ezekiel 23:14 But she increased her harlotry; She looked at men portrayed on the wall, Images of Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion,

Ezekiel 23:18 She revealed her harlotry and uncovered her nakedness. Then I alienated Myself from her, As I had alienated Myself from her sister.

Ezekiel 23:19 Yet she multiplied her harlotry In calling to remembrance the days of her youth, When she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

Ezekiel 23:27 Thus I will make you cease your lewdness and your harlotry Brought from the land of Egypt, So that you will not lift your eyes to them, Nor remember Egypt anymore.

Ezekiel 23:29 They will deal hatefully with you, take away all you have worked for, and leave you naked and bare. The nakedness of your harlotry shall be uncovered, both your lewdness and your harlotry.

Ezekiel 23:30 I will do these things to you because you have gone as a harlot after the Gentiles, because you have become defiled by their idols.

Ezekiel 23:35 Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because you have forgotten Me and cast Me behind your back, Therefore you shall bear the penalty Of your lewdness and your harlotry.

Ezekiel 43:7 And He said to me, Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places.

Ezekiel 43:9 Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.

Hosea 4:11 Harlotry, wine, and new wine enslave the heart.

Hosea 4:12 My people ask counsel from their wooden idols, And their staff informs them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to stray, And they have played the harlot against their God.

Hosea 4:15 Though you, Israel, play the harlot, Let not Judah offend. Do not come up to Gilgal, Nor go up to Beth Aven, Nor swear an oath, saying, As the Lord lives

Amos 7:17 Therefore thus says the Lord: Your wife shall be a harlot in the city; Your sons and daughters shall fall by the sword; Your land shall be divided by survey line; You shall die in a defiled land; And Israel shall surely be led away captive From his own land.

She had become "drunk with the blood of the saints" (Rev 17:6; Rev 18:20,24; 1 Thess 2:15-16) as Christ had prophesied she would (Mt 23:33-37; Lk 11:50-51).

Sadly, the "great city," Jerusalem (Rev 11:8), had fallen, and had become the habitation of demons and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (Rev 18:2). The Queen City Jerusalem (Rev 18:7/Lam1:1), which had been great among the nations (Lam 1:1), had become a widow (Rev 18:7/Lam1:1). And She, having become an unfaithful Harlot to God, was thus "burned with fire" (Rev 18:8/17:16) as her covenant law demanded for her (Lev 21:9). The blood of all the apostles and prophets who she famously killed (Matt 23:33-36; Matt 21:34-39; Lk 13:33; Acts 7:52; 1 Thess 2:15-16; Lk 11:47; Neh 9:26; 1 Ki 19:14) was avenged upon her (Matt 23:33-37; Rev 16:6; Rev 18:20,24; 1 Thess 2:15-16).

Now... help the rest of us understand how, with ZERO scriptural verses citing ROME explicitly as a Harlot, and with the MYRIAD of scriptural verses citing Jerusalem/Israel EXPLICITLY as a Harlot, you still insist Rome, or the Vatican, is the scriptural Harlot, and we should all take a sharpie and redact the above scriptures, positively identifying Jerusalem as the Harlot, and render them as irrelevant and meaningless - needing to be removed from our Bibles?

Any view that insists we flatly deny or ignore this much SPECIFIC scripture, is a view I will always encourage every honest Christian to reject outright.