WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

[pescador]

There is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day of rest. Revelation 1:10 as shown in the OP is in reference to the God's Holy day of rest which is the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28 not Sunday according to scripture.

This is the law, plain and simple.

 

[BobRyan]

Regarding 2Timothy 2:15, again, the Old Testament.

1. Did you mean 2 Tim 3:15-16?
2. Do you mean to say that Paul was not endorsing new testament texts in 2 Tim 3? Just Old Testament ones?

 

[Root of Jesse]

from the OP





Fine - but the objective for this thread according to the OP is "prove that Sunday or the "first day of the week" is the Lord's day by scripture alone! "

I have repeatedly showed in the gospels how Sunday is the Lord's Day. That is not the same as saying that the Sabbath is a day of rest, or even a day of worship.

Paul was being outright rejected by the Jewish authorities in Jerusalem - "their magisterium" -- so they "Studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO"

10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.

Yeah, so? Paul went to where they were. Paul's method was to visit the Jews in the synagogue on the day they worshiped.

Did you have a text saying "The Lord's Day - is the Day that they discovered the tomb to be empty"?

Yes, I did. They all say that they visited the tomb on the first day of the week. Revelation later says that John was in the spirit on the Lord's day. Revelation 1:10, the setting is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on the Lord's Day.

 

[Root of Jesse]

from the OP





Fine - but the objective for this thread according to the OP is "prove that Sunday or the "first day of the week" is the Lord's day by scripture alone! "



Paul was being outright rejected by the Jewish authorities in Jerusalem - "their magisterium" -- so they "Studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO"

10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.



Did you have a text saying "The Lord's Day - is the Day that they discovered the tomb to be empty"?

The Lord's Day - Revelation 1:10 ... The First Day!

 

[Root of Jesse]

1. Did you mean 2 Tim 3:15-16?

No.

2. Do you mean to say that Paul was not endorsing new testament texts in 2 Tim 3? Just Old Testament ones?

There was no body of Christian Scriptures, yet. Paul had some letters written, and the Gospels were in formation. I don't believe Paul considered his own writings to be Sacred Scripture.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Lord's Day - Revelation 1:10 ... The First Day!

Thanks for the link but can you show me the scripture that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"? I read your link and could not find one.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Scripture absolutely tells us that Sunday is the Lord's Day.

Ok then can you please provide the scripture that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"? My bible tells me that the Sabbath is "the Lords day" *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28; ISAIAH 58:13

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We believe that Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Sacred Magisterium are the Word of God, and that God STILL speaks to the Church today. Regarding the Bereans, first they heard what Paul had to say. He was knowledgeable in Old Testament Scripture, and used it to show his logic. (Where did I say that the Bible isn't the written word of God? I simply say that Scripture isn't the only word of God). Regarding 2Timothy 2:15, again, the Old Testament.Of course the spoken word of God can't contradict the written Word of God. Of course, you have to show where the spoken Word contradicts the written Word...But Paul also tells Timothy to pass down the Traditions which Paul had shown Timothy...

Firstly in the days of JESUS and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures and it was the old testament scriptures that JESUS spoke and testified of Him that he pointed everyone to. The Church is not the Word of God it is the Word of God that defines the Church according to the scriptures as Gods' Church according to the scriptures are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *JOHN 10:26-27 which is JESUS who is the living Word of God *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. There is nothing wrong with traditions if they are based on the scriptures. If they contradict scripture or if traditions lead Gods people to break Gods commandments then we are warned against following them in the very Words of JESUS in MATTHEW 15:3-9.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have said frequently that the Sabbath has not been abolished. We worship Jesus on the Lord's Day, the day they discovered the tomb to be empty, and Jesus to be risen.

Then if God's 4th commandment Sabbath has not been abolished do you keep it *EXODUS 20:8-11? As posted earlier, there is no scripture that says that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. According to the scriptures "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28; ISAIAH 58:13 so you have a problem here.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have repeatedly showed in the gospels how Sunday is the Lord's Day.

Where did you show that Sunday is "the Lords day" from the gospels? Maybe I missed it.

 

[BobRyan]

No.
There was no body of Christian Scriptures, yet.

There is "scripture" mentioned in the Bible but there is no "NOT the CHRISTIAN Scriptures" concept in the Bible.

Hence Luke 24 Christ Himself teaching from "All the scriptures" - as Luke states writing years AFTER the event.

you can't find any sort of "scriptures... which are NOT the scriptures" teaching in the Bible references to "scripture" or "scriptures".

 

[BobRyan]

I don't believe Paul considered his own writings to be Sacred Scripture.

1 Thess 2
13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God,

 

[BobRyan]

from the OP

The challenge I am putting out there is if you believe Sunday is "the Lord's day" please prove that Sunday or the "first day of the week" is the Lord's day by scripture alone!

The Lord's Day - Revelation 1:10 ... The First Day!

Rev 1:10 is a great place to not find "The Lord's Day is week-day-1"

I scanned your link for "is week day 1" it was not there.
I scanned your link for "is Sunday" and it was there - but not from a Bible quote.

So the question remains.-- does anyone have a Bible text saying that week-day-1 is the Lord's Day??

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BTW you have already stated that you have several sources and are not limited to scripture - you could always just say that this is not something for which you have a scripture and instead you use one of your other sources.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Could you elaborate on the Berean Schism? I feel like many people on this forum could benefit from a more nuanced understanding as to who they were.

Well Bereans in Acts are different than the Bereans that split from the Calvinist Protestants in Scotland. But the incident in Acts 17, I believe that most of the Bereans were like the seed scattered on rocky soil, it sprouted quickly, but burned when the sun baked it. It seems that the Thessalonians soured their faith and sowed discord. But that's just what it appears to me.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Did you have a text saying "The Lord's Day - is the Day that they discovered the tomb to be empty"?

Yes, I do.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Ok then can you please provide the scripture that says Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"? My bible tells me that the Sabbath is "the Lords day" *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28; ISAIAH 58:13

No, they say that the Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath. The First day of the Week, when the empty tomb was found, is Traditionally Sunday. Also, Revelation 1 shows worship on the Lord's Day, again, the first day of the week.
Look, you want to believe that the Bible is the only place to tell us when we should worship, fine. I believe that we worship Him every day, and Sunday we praise the Lord for his sacrifice for us.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Firstly in the days of JESUS and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures and it was the old testament scriptures that JESUS spoke and testified of. The Church is not the Word of God it is the Word of God that defines the Church according to the scriptures as Gods' Church according to the scriptures are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *JOHN 10:26-27 which is JESUS who is the living Word of God *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. There is nothing wrong with traditions if they are based on the scriptures. If they contradict scripture or if traditions lead Gods people to break Gods commandments then we are warned against following them in the very Words of JESUS in MATTHEW 15:3-9.

You are aware that the Church tells us what is Scripture? That's Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium, telling us authoritatively what is Scripture, and what is not. By the way, all our Sacred Traditions are Biblically based. For example, you know that the doctrine of the Trinity is nowhere found in Scripture? Neither is the table of contents of the Bible.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Then if God's 4th commandment Sabbath has not been abolished do you keep it *EXODUS 20:8-11? As posted earlier, there is no scripture that says that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. According to the scriptures "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28; ISAIAH 58:13 so you have a problem here.

There is also no Scripture that tells us to worship God on Saturday. It simply says the Sabbath is a day of rest, in honor of God's rest.

 

[Root of Jesse]

There is "scripture" mentioned in the Bible but there is no "NOT the CHRISTIAN Scriptures" concept in the Bible.

Hence Luke 24 Christ Himself teaching from "All the scriptures" - as Luke states writing years AFTER the event.

you can't find any sort of "scriptures... which are NOT the scriptures" teaching in the Bible references to "scripture" or "scriptures".

Well, scripture means writing. So there are all sorts of scriptures which are not Scripture, as in the Bible.
Luke didn't have knowledge of everything we today consider Scripture. Some of it had not been written yet.

 

[Root of Jesse]

1 Thess 2
13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God,

Where does that say that Paul's writing is the word of God?