Kaepernick denounces 4th of July as ‘celebration of white supremacy’

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Nobody's going to get excited about current slavery around the world today. There's no money in it. What chance is there to get any compensation from any slavery in China? In America there's a much better opportunity for getting a fat check. Follow the money. Even if the grievance is many decades old. Still follow the money.
 
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Wait wait, there will be compensation? Where do I sign up for my piece of Union Pacific. You know Chinese coolies built the railroad right.
Take a number and get in line. There's only 13% of the population ahead of you.
 
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And it shouldn't matter that I was born in Asia right and that no one I am descended from actually worked on the rail line right? I look like the people who did so that's all that matters right? And it doesn't matter that my family was involved in selling coolies to the transporters right? I still get a piece right?
I have always wanted to have my own Choo Choo.
Yep, all of us oppressors will have to write a check to assuage our guilt over a crime we never committed....and everyone will then live in peace, love and joy.....or so the story goes......
 
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No, because every time this conversation happens someone with an agenda hijacks it. Like today leftist facists, marxists, BLM, and even so called 'progressives' have hijacked this conversation. Instead of demanding equal justice before the law they have demanded defunding the police, tearing down statues, rioting, looting, burning.....not a single one of which will change anything for the better. They were defeated as soon as they started by those they thought were 'supporting' them. The more things change the more they stay the same.......

Oh, so the people who are being oppressed are "hijacking" the conversation by demanding to be heard. Yes, I can see why that might not sit well with the people who are uncomfortable having the conversation.

It's honestly not even that shocking that you are literally making my point for me, you just happen to support the oppressor class rather than the oppressed, and so you need to defend the oppressor class. That is deeply unfortunate, and I do hope and pray that the Lord works on you to change your heart, giving you a heart of contrition and empathy toward your oppressed neighbor.

"Your iniquities have turned these away, and your sins have kept good from you. For wicked men are found among my people; they lurk like fowlers lying in wait. They set a trap; they catch men. Like a cage full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and rich; they have grown fat and sleek. They know no bounds in deeds of evil; they judge not with justice the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy. Shall I not punish them for these things? declares the Lord, and shall I not avenge myself on a nation such as this?" - Jeremiah 5:25-29

"For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are his pleasant planting; and he looked for justice, but behold, bloodshed; for righteousness, but behold, an outcry!" - Isaiah 5:7

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. Before Him will be gathered all the nations, and He will separate people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And He will place the sheep on His right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed Me, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.' Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord when did we see You hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give You drink? And when did we see You a stranger and welcome You, or naked and clothe You? And when did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me.'

Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome Me, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of these least of these, you did not do it to Me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
" - Matthew 25:31-46


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Oh, so the people who are being oppressed are "hijacking" the conversation by demanding to be heard. Yes, I can see why that might not sit well with the people who are uncomfortable having the conversation.

It's honestly not even that shocking that you are literally making my point for me, you just happen to support the oppressor class rather than the oppressed, and so you need to defend the oppressor class. That is deeply unfortunate, and I do hope and pray that the Lord works on you to change your heart, giving you a heart of contrition and empathy toward your oppressed neighbor.

"Your iniquities have turned these away, and your sins have kept good from you. For wicked men are found among my people; they lurk like fowlers lying in wait. They set a trap; they catch men. Like a cage full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and rich; they have grown fat and sleek. They know no bounds in deeds of evil; they judge not with justice the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy. Shall I not punish them for these things? declares the Lord, and shall I not avenge myself on a nation such as this?" - Jeremiah 5:25-29

"For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are his pleasant planting; and he looked for justice, but behold, bloodshed; for righteousness, but behold, an outcry!" - Isaiah 5:7

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. Before Him will be gathered all the nations, and He will separate people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And He will place the sheep on His right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed Me, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.' Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord when did we see You hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give You drink? And when did we see You a stranger and welcome You, or naked and clothe You? And when did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me.'

Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome Me, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of these least of these, you did not do it to Me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
" - Matthew 25:31-46


-CryptoLutheran
You did not address or refute one single point that I made.....You simply quoted some scripture that had nothing to do with the conversation......or scripture that you have severely misunderstood?......or perhaps truthfully do not understand the points I have made?
 
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"I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought light and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn." - Frederick Douglas, "The Meaning of July Fourth for the Negro", July 5th, 1952

I'll just leave this here.

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You'll just leave it there? That was a Frederick Douglas quote from 1852 not 1952! You act as if nothing has changed in the US in 168 years? On the contrary! Blacks are able to own their own businesses, become doctors, lawyers, millionaires even billionaires!
Affirmative action is provided for blacks entering colleges, There is large black participation in the field of sports where many dominate! Blacks are highlighted in TV, movies, plays, product advertisements receiving prestigious entertainment awards! there are numerous black leaders and politicians in our cities, state and federal governments, even an elected black President!
The only disparity blacks suffer are between blacks that are hard working having a goal in life knowing that they can become successful and those who, instead of trying to make something of themselves, parade around whining and crying about being heard and playing the role of victim!
 
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And who would that be?

It's not "being oppressed" when you are arrested for breaking the law.

It is being oppressed when you are assaulted, attacked, arrested, and harassed when all you've done is be black.

It is being oppressed when you are more likely to die in a confrontation with police simply because of the color of your skin, and especially when you do not resist, cooperate, and still have your life snuffed from you.

It is being oppressed when you are shot because the officer "felt threatened" and all you did was be black.

It is being oppressed when you are pulled over for being black.

It is being oppressed when you are stopped and interrogated for being black.

If cops were doing their job the way they were supposed to, there wouldn't be protests. There wouldn't be decades of outrage that fomented, bubbled up, and finally burst out into the open.

George Floyd is not an anomaly. George Floyd wasn't the worst that's ever happened, but it was but another in a long line, in a long history of consistent, continued, systemic injustice. It wasn't a lone cop going rogue, it is par for the course. This is what policing in America does to, and looks like, to African Americans. And it's what it has looked like for decades.

This is a pattern and a system that has been going on since the end of the American Civil War. It is the system and pattern that arose in the post-war American South during Reconstruction as southern Democrats pushed hard to set poor white southerners against "the negro" through propaganda and legislation. In the antebellum south the black slave was seen as simple, they needed the life of servility under white masters to help show them the way of civilization, though of course they could never truly ever be equal or free because the "natural condition" of "the negro" was akin to a child, and needed to be servile, and shown the proper discipline like a child for his own good. But what happened after Emancipation, what happened after the Civil War? What happened during Reconstruction? Oh, well now that the black man was free, he was a threat! The feral lusts of the black man had to be contained, you can't just let black people do whatever they want, just think of the women and the children!

And so southern Democrats and a host of other southern propagandists began their efforts to re-write the history of the war, and the Lost Cause myth was born. Why, the war wasn't fought over slavery they said, it was a war over states rights! The cause of the Confederacy was actually just! It was a war against northern tyranny over the freedom of the states to self-govern themselves. Yeah, that's it! And, in fact, Abraham Lincoln wasn't himself even really a supporter of abolition until it was politically advantageous for him to do so! And the Union soldiers? They weren't fighting to free slaves, they were simply fighting a war of "Northern Aggression". Heavens to Betsy don't you know!?

And, why, we can't have these uppity black people going around voting for whoever they want, I mean, they might vote to have a black man to Congress, and while the 15th Amendment to the US Constitution guaranteed all [male] citizens the right to vote, that doesn't mean that we really have to let them vote right? No no no, they need to be carefully monitored, they need the proper identification, and they need to be reminded about who is really in charge around these parts, and that's white folks.

Insert Jim Crow.

Why, you know, why should these black people be even drinking from the same water fountains as us? The same toilets? This is ridiculous. Black people and white people are too fundamentally incompatible, and so everybody can be separate but equal, so white people get their schools, their neighborhoods, their drinking fountains, their bathrooms, and black people get theirs.

Now, of course, we can't let black people really have a shot of upward mobility, so we'll draw these red lines around black neighborhoods, and the banks won't lend to those neighborhoods. And the schools in those neighborhoods? Well they don't really need funding do they? That money should go to where it belongs, hard working white folk who created this fine white nation of ours.

Lynchings.
The KKK.
Segregation.
Voter intimidation.
Erecting Confederate monuments and symbols to terrorize black people.
Jury-rigging to ensure that white people, including cops, never get in trouble for killing a black person; and definitely making sure that black people get the harshest punishments.

Keep black people from speaking up too loudly, why they must be Marxists! Soviet sympathizers! These radicals are destabalizing the country. They are causing a raucous commotion and disturbing the peace, why can't they just know how good they got it by our hand spoon-feeding them just enough that they stay servile and complicit to the status quo.

Why does that communist and traitor Martin Luther King keep causing so much problem, everywhere he goes violence follows. The cops would leave them alone if they woudn't break the law. Why are they trying to integrate schools, why are they sitting down in restaurants and disturbing the peace. We're just trying to have a nice Sunday afternoon meal at the local diner, why do they have to cause so much violence by coming and sitting near us? They aren't slaves any more, isn't that what they wanted? Isn't it enough for them to leave us alone and to just go be black somewhere else? Why do they have to come here with those black faces of theirs to scare our children?

So hoses spraying water at marchers.
Unleashing attack dogs to maul at the peaceful protestors.
Terrorism wearing a police badge and in the name of democracy.


And time.
And time again.
Over and over and over again.
Constantly.
Repeatedly.
Systematically.
Horrifically.
Black lives snuffed out of existence, and no accountability by the perpetrators.
Black lives forced to live sub-standard and sub-human existences because of a history of systemic prejudice and hard-wired racism in the very fabric of the American republic.

A failure to fund black communities.
A failure to fund black education.
A failure to provide relief and social stability to impoverished black neighborhoods.
Forcing some people to turn to less than reputable sources of income.
Forging a war against drugs to specifically and explicitly target black people.
Making being black he crime itself.

Yeah. Oppressed people. That's what it is. That's what it has always been. Because my country, the United States of America, has for 244 years REFUSED to do anything substantial to address the evils perpetrated against an entire people based solely on the fact that they were brought here against their will and happen to be black. Freeing the slaves? Great. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? Fantastic. There have been major strides--but in the trenches of real life things continue to be an abominable mess, an abhorrent assault against the basic humanity of people based solely on the color of their skin.

Refusing to acknowledge this is to refuse to acknowledge the truth of history. To refuse to acknowledge this is to be complicit in the future propagation of injustice. There is no neutrality. As Dr. King said silence is betrayal. There can be no "white moderate" in this fight for equality and justice.

This is a moral fight.
This is a fight for what is good, and right, and just for all; not just some.

One can either stand with the oppressed or one can stand with the oppressor. There is no middle ground.

Jesus Christ told us clearly which side we are to be on here. And so not only is the question of do we side with the oppressed or the oppressor, but also do we stand with Jesus Christ, or do we betray Him by turning our backs against the poor, the disenfranchised, and the oppressed?

There is no middle ground.

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The only disparity blacks suffer are between blacks that are hard working having a goal in life knowing that they can become successful and those who, instead of trying to make something of themselves, parade around whining and crying about being heard and playing the role of victim!

Ah, there it is! Fantastic. Do go on, I'll even buy you another shovel if the one you're using wears out.

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It is being oppressed when you are assaulted, attacked, arrested, and harassed when all you've done is be black.

I do not believe that happens.

It is being oppressed when you are more likely to die in a confrontation with police simply because of the color of your skin

This is certainly not true.

George Floyd is not an anomaly.

George Floyd was not arrested for being black; he was arrested for passing counterfeit money.

He did not die because he was black; he died in part from the drugs he took and in part from his heart condition and in part because the police reacted incompetently to Floyd's refusal to be seated in the police car.

Now, of course, we can't let black people really have a shot of upward mobility, so we'll draw these red lines around black neighborhoods, and the banks won't lend to those neighborhoods.

That's not what happened.

Oh, and Jim Crow? That was a long time ago.

Black lives forced to live sub-standard and sub-human existences

Nobody is forcing black people to live "sub-standard and sub-human existences."
 
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I do not believe that happens.



This is certainly not true.



George Floyd was not arrested for being black; he was arrested for passing counterfeit money.

He did not die because he was black; he died in part from the drugs he took and in part from his heart condition and in part because the police reacted incompetently to Floyd's refusal to be seated in the police car.



That's not what happened.

Oh, and Jim Crow? That was a long time ago.



Nobody is forcing black people to live "sub-standard and sub-human existences."
You know the tragedy is that there will be young blacks who will listen to this tripe and believe they have no hope!
Where's the encouragement? Intentional or not, claims such as these only tend to demoralize and to call into question black peoples ability to take charge of their own destiny without begging and pleading for someone else to do something!
 
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From the article:

'You enslaved our ancestors,' the NFL free agent writes in a Twitter message posted Saturday
Headlines! "Colin Kaepernick signs production deal with Disney - CNN"
Eric Hoffer, famous social philosopher, cultural commentator in his book (The Temper of Our Times): "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket"

Only in America can you become rich by hating America!
 
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It is a clever obfuscation tactic. It is pretty clear to whom you are referring to when you speak of the "hijackers". Unless I am mistaken you are speaking of the ones whom are actively breaking the law damaging property and endangering public safety. However, by framing the rebuttal in such a way it misrepresents your rejection of unlawful behavior (which by the way is unlawful for Blacks, Whites, Asians, and Native Americans to engage in) as a rejection of the concept of equality for all.
Your assessment would be correct.....
 
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It's always somebody else's fault. And that means somebody else has to bear the burden of guilt and make everything right. How convenient. I do not believe in equality. I don't see it and I don't think God expects it. Neither do I believe in the ordained rightness of supremacy. I don't think supremacy is biblical. If God made people different he did it for a reason. I never saw where he expects us to undo that. He also put them in different places. Mankind was all one united group but at Babel God undid that. He separated us and turned us into various people groups. Maybe the great sin in this is the attempt to undo what he has done. Certainly we should get along, but where is the command to assimilate apart from the brotherhood of Christ? To say we are all alike is only regarding the sameness of God's love for us and the equal opportunity we all have to belong to him and share in his grace. All people are eligible for that. But to say people are the same everywhere else is not true. Slavery was a colossal mistake. We've all paid for it since and are still paying for it as a country. It will never end when equality is reached since there is no such thing. And nobody wants it. It was never the goal. The only objective is dominance. Only question is by whom. That's all that can possibly happen when diversity comes into conflict.
 
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Being a POC I could see myself getting some mad benefit the further the country slides this way.

If I recall correctly, you're part of an ethnic group that routinely gets denied entry to university; because if admission was done only by grades, very few other people would get in.
 
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Soon they will come after Mickey Mouse and any other character whom may wear white gloves due to the association with mistral shows

i grew up in Cape Town South Africa ... an African fellow Philip and i became close friends when i was around 12 or so when he was just starting to grow his dreads out ... anyway for years we had to cross the road when walking if we saw the police as they would harass us etc one day we were sat in my moms kitchen having lunch when my mom dragged out my baby pictures and in most of them i was clutching my Golliwog which Philip eyes lit up when he saw this ... he was almost in tears with joy that my toy was a black person with dreadlocks so my mom scratched through my old stuff and found a Golliwog pin which Philip pinned with much pride on his jacket right next to the pin of our hero Bob Marley .... years later in the UK i got into a fight for innocently asking a couple of black guys if there where still any Golliwogs about :(
 
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That's what people said to people like Frederick Douglas, it's what people said to people like Martin Luther King, it's what people are saying now to people like Colin Kaepernick.
I think Kaepernick makes a poor martyr. Multi-milionaires seldom make convincing victims.

The refrain is the same, "Shut up and dribble."
In his case I gave to agree. Comparing himseld to a slave and his empoyers to masters rings kind of hollow when you've made more money in a good month than most people would make in multiple lifetimes. As "masters" go, the NFL put up with a lot more BS from Kap than uber-woke Starbucks would ever put up with from me. They just want me to shut up and make coffee. No taking the knee because (as my daughter assures me), pumpkin spice is a White Thing.

Because every time this conversation happens, the people in power want to silence it
In Kap's case they're apparently not trying very hard.
 
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Wait wait, there will be compensation? Where do I sign up for my piece of Union Pacific. You know Chinese coolies built the railroad right.
Sorry, doesn't signify. We don't get to claim victimhood because we're perceived as Too Successful. I mean, when they have Affirmative Action quotas to keep us too may of us from getting in...
 
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