Does believing Genesis is wrong make me a bad Christian?

[GodLovesCats]

First, there is not proof everywhere that macro evolution or microbes to man over billions of years ever took place. In fact empirical proven and tested science of genetic shows that it cannot take place.

Second, it does not make you a bad Christian. Just a misinformed Christian that now has many problems to face with many Scriptures. Your being a Christian is based solely on the fact of you placing your trust in Jesus and His death and physical resurrection for your sin that makes you a Christian.

You are confused. Paleontologists do not claim microbes of any sort directly became humans. I never understood why evolution deniers think that is the only meaning of macroevolution. One creature could be the ancestor of all mammals, one of all fish, one of all birds, etc. without one cell being the single ancestor of all animals. Various species became extinct and had no kind of descendants. So you can believe in macroevolution without accepting one ancestor to all living and dead things.

 

[GodLovesCats]

My denials are the 6-day time period, lack of extinctions, and all animals being vegans until Noah's Flood.

 

[Archivist]

I do not doubt a snake literally talked. The creation of Adam is harder to accept because tons of evidence shows it is not a coincidence that the earliest humans were very similar to chimpanzees.

Well, I don’t believe on the talking snake, but you are free to your own interpretation. As I said, I regard it as an allegory. There is no requirement for Christians to believe in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account.

My kitties are both doing well. I’m working out of the house so I am getting to spend lots of times with them.

 

[Favoredclay]

I don't see anyway to come to agreement on this topic and develop a consensus. We all will just have to make our own best decision and live with it until we come to Judgement. Some will be wrong and some will be right, but the good news is Jesus came to cover our sins and God will offer grace to any who believe in him.

I doubt I make any more comments, and I'll just watch and see what is offered. I will make one more comment, I spent most of my life as an Atheist and I actively took aggressive stances against all Christians I knew and worked with. Then I went on this journey to prove my case and what I found was the truth of God and the Salvation of Jesus Christ. I know it is true because of the Holy Spirit's counsel . I will rest my destiny on that and wish everyone well. My on topic answer is: yes to not believe the genesis account and a created earth damages your faith. In my mind it's a denial of God, I know the prevailing opinion through this thread does not agree, and I am ok with that, your free to believe your own truth.

 

[section9+1]

I don't think there was a talking snake. I don't know what the serpent was. It didn't become a snake until afterwards when God cursed it.

 

[Archivist]

I don't see anyway to come to agreement on this topic and develop a consensus. We all will just have to make our own best decision and live with it until we come to Judgement. Some will be wrong and some will be right, but the good news is Jesus came to cover our sins and God will offer grace to any who believe in him.

I doubt I make any more comments, and I'll just watch and see what is offered. I will make one more comment, I spent most of my life as an Atheist and I actively took aggressive stances against all Christians I knew and worked with. Then I went on this journey to prove my case and what I found was the truth of God and the Salvation of Jesus Christ. I know it is true because of the Holy Spirit's counsel . I will rest my destiny on that and wish everyone well. My on topic answer is: yes to not believe the genesis account and a created earth damages your faith. In my mind it's a denial of God, I know the prevailing opinion through this thread does not agree, and I am ok with that, your free to believe your own truth.

i disagree with your literal reading, but I agree that it is not a salvation issue. Usually I don’t post here because I’ve gotten tired of some posters—fortunately not most posters—telling me that I cannot be saved without belief in a literal interpretation. As I’ve said before, you are entitled to your interpretation.

 

[NBB]

A lot of science is right obviously, but remember most scientists don't believe in God, but 'behold' God created everything, so genesis is accurate that God created everything, the earth seems to be old, but its possible that the days in genesis are long periods of time... also i don't believe in evolution God hand crafted us in some way because we have a soul that matches our bodies, we are not the product of random mutation and natural selection alone, but the product of God, how he did it? by forming adam? or maybe something else? the bible takes adam story seriously so for now i go with that, so i may be mistaken in something *maybe* but i am absolutely right that God created us, because i know him and also have proof that we have a soul because of what i have experienced.

So remember that a lot of scientists are in darkness and don't want to acknowledge God in any way
For me is apparent that there is design in this universe. Humans took thousands of years of hoarding knowledge with great effort and study innovation etc, but they can't make something even remotely close to ourselves, and you tell me evolution alone can? this is silly.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Well, I don’t believe on the talking snake, but you are free to your own interpretation. As I said, I regard it as an allegory. There is no requirement for Christians to believe in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account.

My kitties are both doing well. I’m working out of the house so I am getting to spend lots of times with them.

See my threads in Memorial and Grief Support, Pets and Animals, and Depression Disorders forums about my last cat.

 

[GodLovesCats]

NBB, you are totally wrong about scientists. They do believe in God. Gallileo was a Catholic. Some who do not have faith in our God still believe in a higher Creator or other gods. Others do not believe God is triune, but worship the same God we do - think about Jews and Mormons. So scientists don't have to be Christian or atheists.

 

[NBB]

NBB, you are totally wrong about scientists. They do believe in God.

We have an spiritual soul, that is 'game changer', understand? i'm not seeing the christian scientists saying any of this. Probably because they afraid of the backlash from fellow scientific community.

Being tilded as a looney? etc etc.

But this is the basics of christianity, that we are actually immortal beings, also i have experienced things with God that i firmly believe were showing that indeed we have a soul.

 

[Tra Phull]

Millions of Christians view the early chapters of Genesis as allegorical, figurative or whatever.

We have all been insulted in this thread with the insinuation that we are deceived by atheists, of Satan, and should not call ourselves Christian.

Do Flat-Earthers think the numerous photos from space showing a globe earth are somehow faked?

Science has brought many benefits to mankind; in this thread it seems one pile of Christians consider science a dirty word and a satanic plot.

 

[Favoredclay]

I will add, I am a retired Biologist. God and science fit in my world. Archivist we agree more than you may think. I am not an absolute word for word literalist, I do believe some things are allegory, metaphoric and symbolic, but contextual analysis usually tells you when that is true. The dang forum format is just too limiting for proper expression. Did you see my reference to Gerald Schroeder?

I know I said I wouldn't comment, but your friendly post prompted me.

 

[NBB]

Millions of Christians view the early chapters of Genesis as allegorical, figurative or whatever.

We have all been insulted in this thread with the insinuation that we are deceived by atheists, of Satan, and should not call ourselves Christian.

Do Flat-Earthers think the numerous photos from space showing a globe earth are somehow faked?

Science has brought many benefits to mankind; in this thread it seems one pile of Christians consider science a dirty word and a satanic plot.

Personally like science a lot, but please mr atheist scientist teaching in schools, don't say evolution *alone* created a human being from an amoeba *please*, not only you are lying, but you are doing God a disservice not giving credit for what he did.

 

[Tra Phull]

Who are you addressing as "Mr atheist scientist teaching in schools", NBB?

 

[Tra Phull]

This is a CHRISTIANS ONLY forum.

 

[NBB]

This is a CHRISTIANS ONLY forum.

I was just expressing myself, i don't 'accuse' anyone of being an atheist calm down.

Also, being the most experienced in science and most smart, doesn't mean you can't be wrong though, imagine being a leading scientist, and ignoring the most important truth of all.

It seems, in this world, the more 'smart' you are, the less you are grasping spiritual things, what a trap eh?.



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n 1996, we repeated Leuba's 1914 survey and reported our results in Nature3. We found little change from 1914 for American scientists generally, with 60.7% expressing disbelief or doubt. This year, we closely imitated the second phase of Leuba's 1914 survey to gauge belief among “greater” scientists, and find the rate of belief lower than ever — a mere 7% of respondents.

Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among “greater” scientists to their “superior knowledge, understanding, and experience”2. Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, “You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge.”4 Such comments led us to repeat the second phase of Leuba's study for an up-to-date comparison of the religious beliefs of “greater” and “lesser” scientists.

Our chosen group of “greater” scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality).

 

[Junia]

The Bible and the Given account in the Bible of Gods creation is true as stated in the Bible. Any accounts that state otherwise from science is a satanic lie. So if you want to place your trust in the lies of satan, about Gods creation, God has given you that ability to make that belief choice.

Same as in the Tanakh, when Jesus came to earth, the Jews had the choice to believe, was Jesus the promised Messiah from the prophecies of the Tanakh, or was he not. As is seen (in the Bible) they decide to reject Jesus as their The Messiah.

i have no idea how old the earth is. it is not important. what is important is Jesus being the son of God and mankind's saviour and lord. if you have received Jesus as lord and saviour and been born again of water and spirit you are fine.

 

[Tra Phull]

So scientists are E-Ville.

It's news to me, my Science teachers were Christian, from 7th grade through a Christian University.

 

[Junia]

Since the Bible is the word of God, either believe it fully or don't. But if you claim to be a Christian I suggest you trust all of it, it is our only source of God and how to live as a Christian, if you start picking parts that you like, then you don't believe the word of God, and you don't believe in Jesus either, because you are selecting what you like and what you don't thus drawing a picture about God in your mind. That was the mistake of the Pharisees too, they were teaching about God the way they wanted Him to be, not the way He was. Then He came down to Earth and He was something completely different than what they were preaching.

If God said that He created everything in 6 days He did. If He said all those things that are in the book of Genesis then they happened exactly as He said they did. I don't need some human to say otherwise. If you believe humans more than the word of God I have a very bad news for you. If you have a problem with something in the Bible it not Bible's fault.

i think God could easily have created the world in 6 days. i'm sure He did. He is God, after all. but we won't know for sure until we get to Heaven to ask Him. in mean time we can trust that His word is sure and more important we can trust the Gospel as absolute truth. we recieve God by faith.

 

[Junia]

So scientists are E-Ville.

It's news to me, my Science teachers were Christian, from 7th grade through a Christian University.

God uses science. He created the world and the scientific forces that governed it. so God is actually very pro-science.