Savior of the World, or Eternal Failure?

[FineLinen]

Those who deny eternal punishment are not doomed to Hell... just due for a surprise.

 

[Saint Steven]

My life is no better than my unbelieving neighbor... I get no "perks" because I'm a Christian... I am not immune to disease, car accidents, deaths in the family, heart ache, job loss, and other disappointments of this life... I am in this world.. but not of this world... .. I just have knowledge of eternal paradise.

That's why you should consider being a Universal Restorationist.
You know what they say, "Ignorance is bliss." - lol

But seriously, my life has been much less stressful since I gave up the forever burning hell doctrine. I know that everything is going to work out in the end. I am no longer hypervigilant about the "us and them" games that everyone else is playing. (living in fear) I'm generally much more tolerant of others.

 

[nolidad]

"Age-during" a nonsensical term concocted by UR-ites to make scripture support their UR assumptions.
Greek is now and has always been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who better than the native Greek speaking EOB translators know the correct meaning of, e.g. “aionios” and “kolasis?”
Note, in the EOB, Paul uses “αιωνιως/aionios” and “αιδιος/aidios” as synonyms, see Rom 1:20 and 1 Tim 1:17, below.

The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96
Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them saying ‘Amen. I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιονιον/kolasin aiōnion] but the righteous into eternal life.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now, to the eternal [των αιωνων/tōn aiōnōn] King. immortal. invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory unto ages of ages. Amen.
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf​

The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96 can be D/L at the link above. If anyone chooses to consult the EOB version I suggest they read the preface which summarizes the extensive Greek scholarship supporting this translation.
.....In 1 Tim 1:17 Paul not only uses "αιωνιως/aionios" synonymous with “αιδιος/aidios,” in Rom 1:20, but also defines it by pairing it with "immortal" in the same verse.

Hope your post helps open the eyes of FL and St. S. They have not seen when I present them with linguistic and dictionary proof!

 

[nolidad]

The same word is used to describe God’s glory, His reign, His power, His kingdom, as well as our life in heaven.

Well I a 1,000,000% convinced aionios is synonymous with aidios and both mean forever and ever without end.

But at least 2 on the thread only want to apply that when it means heaven and God, but make it a temporary thing when it comes to the lost and there confinement in the lake of fire!

 

[FineLinen]

Hope your post helps open the eyes of FL and St. S. They have not seen when I present them with linguistic and dictionary proof!

 

[nolidad]

Yes I agree you should hang your head in shame.

 

[Jipsah]

Three posts, hundreds of words of meaningless bloviation and not one single verse of scripture.

Here's a single verse:
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

 

[Der Alte]

That's why you should consider being a Universal Restorationist.
You know what they say, "Ignorance is bliss." - lol
But seriously, my life has been much less stressful since I gave up the forever burning hell doctrine. I know that everything is going to work out in the end. I am no longer hypervigilant about the "us and them" games that everyone else is playing. (living in fear) I'm generally much more tolerant of others.

My belief that Jesus said many would go away into eternal punishment causes me no stress whatsoever because I am sheltered in the arms of God. I have been a Christian since LBJ was president.

 

[nolidad]

@nolidad 's post #322

God Bless!

Yes Jesus is the acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world! (that is what propititation means) No one is arguing that point at all!!!

But what you and another on this thread refuse to see, that in order for one to make that propitiation their own and pass from death unto life is to place their trust in Jesus and His death and physical resurrection.

We have repeatedly shown that going to the lake of fire is an eternal thing and you and another here have failed to show even one verse that even moderately implies that there is repentance and removal from the lake of fire !

The Bible makes it clear and is completely unambiguous: If one wished to benefit from Jesus sacrifice- they must place their trust in Him! In this life!

 

[FineLinen]

Well I a 1,000,000% convinced aionios is synonymous with aidios and both mean forever and ever without end.

But at least 2 on the thread only want to apply that when it means heaven and God, but make it a temporary thing when it comes to the lost and there confinement in the lake of fire!

 

[Jipsah]

, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them.
Where does God say to disobedient Israel and Judah, "I will pity, spare, and have mercy, and restore them?"

I notice the lack of even a single verse from the New Testament or our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Der Alte]

Here's a single verse:
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

 

[nolidad]

Here's a single verse:
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

But that does not mean all will come to HIm. The only ones that actually come to Christ are the ones that are drawn ot Jesus by the Father!

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus may draw people, but unless the Father has given them to jesus - they will not respond to the call!

There are enough verses that show that the vast majority will not get saved.

 

[nolidad]

Well of course you disagree with God's Word. You have proven that abundantly no matter how many times you and your buddy EBY have been shown wrong!

 

[FineLinen]

The Lamb of God loses nothing.

He is the One with "un" before the word limited.

The apostle John declares the Lamb takes away the sin of the world, not some of the world, the whole ungodly world.

His at-one-ment encompasses the radical all of pas.

"He is the at-one-ment for our sins"

AND

"not our sins ONLY"

BUT

"the sins of the whole world."

 

[Der Alte]

I notice the lack of even a single verse from the New Testament or our Lord Jesus Christ.

What is your point.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

When Paul wrote this the only scripture was the OT. Which Paul quoted approximately 105 times.

 

[Jipsah]

The Bible makes it clear and is completely unambiguous: If one wished to benefit from Jesus sacrifice- they must place their trust in Him! In this life!

Which is to say that for most of the people who have ever lived our Lord's sacrifice accomplished precisely nothing. This is the "Poor God..." doctrine: "Poor God, He did so want to save everyone, but He just couldn't.". I find it apalling.

 

[Jipsah]

What is your point.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

When Paul wrote this the only scripture was the OT. Which Paul quoted approximately 105 times.

Those are great arguments in favor of stoning adulterers, but that doesn't work well in a New Testament economy, does it?

 

[Der Alte]

Those are great arguments in favor of stoning adulterers, but that doesn't work well in a New Testament economy, does it?

2 Timothy 3:16 says nothing about adulterers.

 

[Der Alte]

Which is to say that for most of the people who have ever lived our Lord's sacrifice accomplished precisely nothing. This is the "Poor God..." doctrine: "Poor God, He did so want to save everyone, but He just couldn't.". I find it apalling.

Greek is now and has always been the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who better than the native Greek speaking EOB translators know the correct meaning of, e.g. “aionios” and “kolasis?”
Note, in the EOB, Paul uses “αιωνιως/aionios” and “αιδιος/aidios” as synonyms, see Rom 1:20 and 1 Tim 1:17, below.

The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96
Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them saying ‘Amen. I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιονιον/kolasin aiōnion] but the righteous into eternal life.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now, to the eternal [των αιωνων/tōn aiōnōn] King. immortal. invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory unto ages of ages. Amen.
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf​

The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96 can be D/L at the link above. If anyone chooses to consult the EOB version I suggest they read the preface which summarizes the extensive Greek scholarship supporting this translation.
In 1 Tim 1:17 Paul not only uses "aionios" synonymous with "aidios," in Rom 1:20, but also defines it by pairing it with "immortal" in the same verse.