The Demise of Evolution

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That evolutionary science rejects design destroys their credibility. It's like a meteorologist telling you that the sun in shining, in the middle of a thunderstorm.
Curiously, those who have devoted years to assimilating the works of tens of thousands of researchers are somewhat indifferent to the fatuous viewpoints of those who couldn't be bothered to put in the effort.
 
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"Design" is not evidence. What I expected was the result of an experiment, a sequenced protein, a fossil or any other piece of data.
But okay. You haven't read any textbook, you haven't read any popular science book, so were have you gathered your knowledge, to be able to reject the ToE with so much confidence, that you know better than people who have been informing themselves for years, if not decades?
That evolutionary science rejects design destroys their credibility. It's like a meteorologist telling you that the sun in shining, in the middle of a thunderstorm.
Let me see
1) when "evolutionary science" rejects design it destroys it's credibility, but when you reject the ToE it destroys...
2) In the post you quoted I explained what I had expected. Evidence. but you deleted that in your answer.
I also asked where you get your knowledge from. Since you know more about the ToE than anyone else you need to have gained some knowledge somehow. Your reply doesn't cover any of these points.
 
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That evolutionary science rejects design destroys their credibility. It's like a meteorologist telling you that the sun is shining, in the middle of a thunderstorm.
Do you understand how living things evolve, and how natural selection produces the appearance of design?
 
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Do you understand how living things evolve, and how natural selection produces the appearance of design?

What is the "appearance of design"? If it quacks like a duck...
 
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If creationists really believed what they say they believe about a young Earth, flood geology and immutable created kinds, I would expect them to set out to learn everything they could about geology and biology, since they would expect to find evidence for their theory of creation. The fact that most creationists appear happy to remain in ignorance of these sciences suggests that either that they don't believe what they say they believe, or that they know that the evidence is against them.
There may have been quite a few creationists that have honestly and fearlessly looked at the evidence. Those people simply accept it and move on. We are dealing with those that cannot do that here.
 
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What is the "appearance of design"? If it quacks like a duck...
It depends on what you mean by "design." a word with more than one meaning. In this case, do you mean "design" as intentionality? Or "design" as a functional arrangement of components?
 
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I am very sure that you do not understand the concept of evidence. If you did you would realize that there is no scientific evidence for ID.

Intelligent design is obvious. No need to prove it in a laboratory.
 
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It depends on what you mean by "design." a word with more than one meaning. In this case, do you mean "design" as intentionality? Or "design" as a functional arrangement of components?

Both.
 
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Intelligent design is obvious. No need to prove it in a laboratory.
Sorry, but that is a losing argument. In fact it tells us the opposite is true. For example I could say that "gravity is obvious" but only because I can support that claim. I can name several tests for the concept.

And this tells us that you do not understand even the basics of science. Which is why I so often offer to politely go over the basics with those that lack this understanding.
 
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And against what evidence did you hold the ToE, to decide it did not compute?
Since we can now exclude all college level textbooks, did you read any popular science books?
Design.
This is not an answer.
The Intelligent Design proponents claim that ID is a theory. Let's be charitable for the moment and not dispute that claim. Anyway, "design" is not evidence.
You claimed that you holded the ToE against some evidence and it didn't compute. So against what evidence did you hold the ToE? As I wrote earlier, I expect some data; the result of an experiment, a DNA sequence, an anatomical feature, anything. But "Design" will not do.
 
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What is the "appearance of design"? If it quacks like a duck...
"Appearance" is just the superficial outlook. The Sun appears to move across the sky. But in reality the motion is due to the rotation of the Earth. It took the effort to look beyond the superficial appearance to find that out.
The continents appear to be fixed, but beyond the superficial appearance they move due to plate tectonics.

Look at this youtube video

Apparantly coins can vanish from a closed fist or appear out of thin air. Go through tables etc. But that's appearance. With a closer look this turns out not to be the case.

So you wrote correctly; there is an appearance of design. But scientists have been looking and are looking beyond the appearance. They probe reality if what appears to be really is that or way or if something else is going on. This requires knowledge, discipline, stamina, critical thinking. This requires tools and techniques like telescopes, microscopes, seismographs, Geiger counters, electrophoresis, X-ray crystallography, particle accelerators and so on.

So if you chose to limit yourself to the world of the superficial outlook, the appearance, that's fine. That's your choice. But don't tell me that that is all there is. I and we have seen beyond the veil.
 
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Intelligent design is obvious. No need to prove it in a laboratory.
Yeah just look at the watch sitting on the rock, it's obvious that the watch is designed when compared to the rock.
 
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Intelligent design is obvious. No need to prove it in a laboratory.

In what way is it obvious?

Tell me, what characteristics do we ONLY find in designed things that we NEVER find in things that weren't designed?
 
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