How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

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Strathos

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You may have legitimately seen something; the question is whether or not what you saw was an external entity.

Hallucinations are after all a very real phenomenon that people experience. I myself experience hypnopompic hallucinations on a semi regular basis. I've seen things that look very real, but I know they are strictly a product of my own mind.

I've never had hallucinations (at least not when I was awake). Closest I've come is sleep paralysis as I was going to bed or waking up.

Here, I was wide awake. I definitely saw him.

Actually, you said I'd call you a liar. You also said physical evidence, and what you've presented is not physical evidence.

I've since heard some stories about people encountering strange things in that area (maybe even that specific building). How about you come and stay there overnight?
 
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A single 3rd hand report from a highly biased source should not be taken as true without some other form of corroboration. You don't have that, so I see no reason to take the claim at all seriously.

You were not responding to the OP.
I do try to keep an eye on the topic.
The apostles did not renounce Mary nor did Joseph, or Jesus or Elizabeth, etc. They respected and honored her. To call events surrounding the life and family of Jesus 3rd hand reports is ignorant.
We cannot take anyone seriously if they claim science could or should be able to know. Nor can we take a 65th generation gossip seriously when they talk about people and events they have no clue about, and slander the people who recorded it that were there.
 
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I do try to keep an eye on the topic.
The apostles did not renounce Mary nor did Joseph, or Jesus or Elizabeth, etc. They respected and honored her. To call events surrounding the life and family of Jesus 3rd hand reports is ignorant.
We cannot take anyone seriously if they claim science could or should be able to know. Nor can we take a 65th generation gossip seriously when they talk about people and events they have no clue about, and slander the people who recorded it that were there.

Unfortunately, there's no evidence that the apostles actually wrote the gospels with their names attached to them.
 
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Unfortunately, there's no evidence that the apostles actually wrote the gospels with their names attached to them.
What, you think some guy named John snuck in and wrote several books of the bible claiming he was John, or that God would allow such nonsense? Truly baseless doubting.
 
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What, you think some guy named John snuck in and wrote several books of the bible claiming he was John, or that God would allow such nonsense? Truly baseless doubting.

They are old stories of anonymous authorship, and they are only attributed to the apostles by tradition. There is no evidence anywhere that they actually were written by the apostles. There's no evidence that they are even contemporary accounts, since the earliest copies we have date to quite a while after the events they describe. The earliest version of Matthew was written between 80 and 90 AD, Mark was between 66-70 AD, Luke was between 80-110 AD and John was 90-110 AD.
 
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I do try to keep an eye on the topic.
The apostles did not renounce Mary nor did Joseph, or Jesus or Elizabeth, etc. They respected and honored her. To call events surrounding the life and family of Jesus 3rd hand reports is ignorant.
We cannot take anyone seriously if they claim science could or should be able to know. Nor can we take a 65th generation gossip seriously when they talk about people and events they have no clue about, and slander the people who recorded it that were there.
Your ignorance is obviously comforting to you. But it's still ignorance.
 
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I've never had hallucinations (at least not when I was awake). Closest I've come is sleep paralysis as I was going to bed or waking up.

Here, I was wide awake. I definitely saw him.

Hallucinations can occur while awake as well.
 
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I've since heard some stories about people encountering strange things in that area (maybe even that specific building). How about you come and stay there overnight?
Sure. You cover my travel costs and I'll come. But what happens if I don't have a similar experience? Would you say you didn't see what you think you saw? I don't doubt that to you the vision was real, and I wouldn't expect that to change just because somebody else doesn't experience the same thing.
 
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They are old stories of anonymous authorship, and they are only attributed to the apostles by tradition.
TEither that, or carefully preserved works known to be from certain people were later compiled into a book.
here is no evidence anywhere that they actually were written by the apostles.
? John, for example states it clearly. Have you evidence that the early church forged writings from him?

There's no evidence that they are even contemporary accounts, since the earliest copies we have date to quite a while after the events they describe.
The copies do not matter. As John said we have the record, and we know it is true. If some older copies of that record no longer exist or were not found yet, it matters not at all.
 
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Sure. You cover my travel costs and I'll come. But what happens if I don't have a similar experience? Would you say you didn't see what you think you saw? I don't doubt that to you the vision was real, and I wouldn't expect that to change just because somebody else doesn't experience the same thing.

I'll pay you twice the cost if you stay the whole night and don't wimp out.

But when you run screaming, you'll have to pay me 4 times your own expenses.
 
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I'll pay you twice the cost if you stay the whole night and don't wimp out.

But when you run screaming, you'll have to pay me 4 times your own expenses.
Does that sound even remotely reasonable to you? I've asked nothing from you except to cover expenses for YOUR experiment, but you see fit to pretend this is some kind of p****ing contest. Emotional grandstanding does not impress.
 
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TEither that, or carefully preserved works known to be from certain people were later compiled into a book.

So you just assume that they are from known people to claim they are from known people...

? John, for example states it clearly. Have you evidence that the early church forged writings from him?

Chapter of verse where it says, "John wrote this"?

The copies do not matter. As John said we have the record, and we know it is true. If some older copies of that record no longer exist or were not found yet, it matters not at all.

You say you know it is true, but once again you have not supported this claim. HOW do you know it is true?
 
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So you just assume that they are from known people to claim they are from known people...



Chapter of verse where it says, "John wrote this"?



You say you know it is true, but once again you have not supported this claim. HOW do you know it is true?
We can disagree. I tend to avoid a detailed discussion of faith matters with people who reject the faith.
 
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Does that sound even remotely reasonable to you? I've asked nothing from you except to cover expenses for YOUR experiment, but you see fit to pretend this is some kind of p****ing contest. Emotional grandstanding does not impress.

Your cowardice is noted.


Because it ends up going nowhere. It's like you're speaking two different languages.
 
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