True saving faith is proven by your repentance

[ChetSinger]

I was just as shocked at one time when I discovered there are non-OSAS folk out there who believe that they can sin and still be saved, as well. The one denomination that I know of that believes this way are “Free Will Baptists.” They believe that a rejection of Christ and or a loss of believing in Him is the only thing that can cause a loss of salvation. They don’t believe abiding in unconfessed serious sins (like lusting, lying, or hating) is a loss of salvation (despite the Scriptures that say so).

There are also some Conditional Salvationists who appear to be for works and holy living as a part of salvation but they also don’t believe that you don’t lose salvation by abiding in unconfessed sin, either. David Servant is one such person who believes this way.

Dan Corner - His Strange Acid Test Teaching - David Servant

I've been following this thread off and on and have developed a question, in part prompted by your link: do you believe it's easy for a Christian to go back and forth between being saved and damned multiple times in a single day?

 

[d taylor]

Perhaps you should get acquainted with your Bible. Repentance IS absolutely necessary for salvation!

Jesus preaching:

Mat 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mar 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luk 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luk 13:5
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Apostles:

Mar 6:12
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Act 8:22
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

Act 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Act 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Jesus warnings in Revelation:

Rev 2:5
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Rev 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Not a single verse you posted has any mention about repentance as a condition to receive Eternal Life.

The only book of the Bible (The Gospel of John) whose stated purpose for being written is to tell people how to receive Eternal Life. Never mentions repentance as a condition to receive Eternal Life.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Paul himself struggled with sin.

No he didn't. He was freed, just like the rest of us who are filled with the Spirit. What is your scripture?

 

[renniks]

was just as shocked at one time when I discovered there are non-OSAS folk out there who believe that they can sin and still be saved, as well.

You believe we can sin and still be saved. You just redefine sin, by saying some sins damn us and some don't. Are you Catholic?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I was just as shocked at one time when I discovered there are non-OSAS folk out there who believe that they can sin and still be saved, as well. The one denomination that I know of that believes this way are “Free Will Baptists.” They believe that a rejection of Christ and or a loss of believing in Him is the only thing that can cause a loss of salvation. They don’t believe abiding in unconfessed serious sins (like lusting, lying, or hating) is a loss of salvation (despite the Scriptures that say so).

There are also some Conditional Salvationists who appear to be for works and holy living as a part of salvation but they also don’t believe that you don’t lose salvation by abiding in unconfessed sin, either. David Servant is one such person who believes this way.

Dan Corner - His Strange Acid Test Teaching - David Servant

Jesus taught us basically two commandments. OSAS only believes in one.

23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Your nature is changed by your mind. We have examples of saved Christians in the New Testament willfully sinning. Obviously that prophecy doesn't mean what you think it means if you think that we are prevented from sinning by some supernatural endowment.

Who was willfully sinning, besides Ananias and Sapphira? Do not include anyone before the Day of Pentecost, the start of the New Covenant.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You're not answering the question. First of all, a trespass is itself a sin. It's just another word for it. There's nothing in the passage you quote that says he was teaching us to only forgive unintentional 'trespasses.'

But the question is, why do you think that we have some supernatural power - I assume that must be what you believe - not to intentionally sin and ONLY commit unintentional sins? Why would the Holy Spirit, if that is indeed the source of this power you assert exists, only prevent intentional sins and not unintentional?

And do you dismiss the intentional sins committed by saved Christians that are accounted for in the New Testament? Do you think that Peter, for instance, was never saved since he sinned after becoming saved?

This is kinda like your last post, so check its answer, except that trespasses are sins that Jesus is our Advocate for, and as long as we continue to forgive each other, His blood continues to cleanse those, keeping us without sin in the eyes of God.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You believe we can sin and still be saved. You just redefine sin, by saying some sins damn us and some don't. Are you Catholic?

About sin, Catholics have this right. According to Jesus, the Reformation started some dead doctrines. IOW, they will cause spiritual death. Though not all stooped to their level and forgot all that was correct (that Catholics had kept alive).

 

[renniks]

No he didn't. He was freed, just like the rest of us who are filled with the Spirit. What is your scripture?

I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. Romans 7

Now I know you're going to redefine our victory that Paul talks about as being final Victory over every sin.

But Paul describes the struggle and then tells us to live by the Spirit for a reason... We all have the same struggle.
He tells us of the old testament saints that God preserved through everything, and that would include their own sins.

And he wraps up Romans 8, by confirming that nothing can separate us from Christ love. Do you think nothing doesn't include our own failings?

 

[renniks]

According to Jesus, the Reformation started some dead doctrines.

That's funny, cause here I thought the Bible was written before the Reformation...

 

[CharismaticLady]

I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. Romans 7

Now I know you're going to redefine our victory that Paul talks about as being final Victory over every sin.

But Paul describes the struggle and then tells us to live by the Spirit for a reason... We all have the same struggle.
He tells us of the old testament saints that God preserved through everything, and that would include their own sins.

And he wraps up Romans 8, by confirming that nothing can separate us from Christ love. Do you think nothing doesn't include our own failings?

Forget about chapter changes. After Romans 7, the answer to his struggle over sin is only two verses away. "The law of the Spirit of life in Christ, has FREED ME from the law of sin and death. Romans 7 showed what it was like to be under the law of sin and death. We are no longer under the Law of Moses.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That's funny, cause here I thought the Bible was written before the Reformation...

Revelation 2 and 3 is a prophecy of the different church ages before the second coming. It is only looking back at church history can we see that this prophecy was correct and in order. This is advanced study, but I doubt too advanced for you.

 

[renniks]

Forget about chapter changes. After Romans 7, the answer to his struggle over sin is only two verses away. "The law of the Spirit of life in Christ, has FREED ME from the law of sin and death. Romans 7 showed what it was like to be under the law of sin and death. We are no longer under the Law of Moses.

Yes, because we now have all our sins covered by Christ. We no longer are under condemnation, we no longer have to live under a law we can never keep, but we are in Christ, and that's how God sees us, even though we are imperfect.

 

[renniks]

Revelation 2 and 3 is a prophecy of the different church ages before the second coming. It is only looking back at church history can we see that this prophecy was correct and in order. This is advanced study, but I doubt too advanced for you.

It's funny how many different things people get from Revelations, most of which are not there. But that is another discussion. I have given up trying to understand end times. All I care about is being in Christ when it's time to go.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, because we now have all our sins covered by Christ. We no longer are under condemnation, we no longer have to live under a law we can never keep, but we are in Christ, and that's how God sees us, even though we are imperfect.

Don't you see how many scriptures that contradicts? That IS the DEAD DOCTRINE!!!

 

[CharismaticLady]

It's funny how many different things people get from Revelations, most of which are not there. But that is another discussion. I have given up trying to understand end times. All I care about is being in Christ when it's time to go.

Then you better start over, because right now your doctrine is that of demons.

You're not even on milk, let alone meat!!! No wonder Revelation is over your head.

 

[Guojing]

This is kinda like your last post, so check its answer, except that trespasses are sins that Jesus is our Advocate for, and as long as we continue to forgive each other, His blood continues to cleanse those, keeping us without sin in the eyes of God.

so in your view, wilful sins are not what Jesus covered for at the cross?

 

[renniks]

Then you better start over, because right now your doctrine is that of demons.

You're not even on milk, let alone meat!!! No wonder Revelation is over your head.

That's right kind of you.
Let's see, last I checked there were over 100 end times doctrines, all in contradiction with each other. But I'm sure you alone have it all figured it out.

 

[renniks]

so in your view, wilful sins are not what Jesus covered for at the cross?

No, only stuff like cheating at checkers.
Contrary to what the Word says.
" he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."

 

[renniks]

Don't you see how many scriptures that contradicts? That IS the DEAD DOCTRINE!!!

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.