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Featured True saving faith is proven by your repentance

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. BCsenior

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    Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.

    At the moment you were born-again …
    you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

    “For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
    and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
    Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
    and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
    for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
    kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

    “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
    “having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
    “forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)


    “… justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    whom God set forth as a propitiation by His his blood through faith,
    to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
    passed over the sins that were previously committed” (Romans 3:24-25, NKJV)


    Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke
    in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).
    They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

    “… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
    It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
    harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
    leads us away from sin and results in salvation. … worldly sorrow, which lacks
    repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)


    “Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.
    And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.
    You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,
    and eagerness for lustful pleasure.” (2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)

    Immediately following this (in 2 Corinthians 13:1-10), Paul warns and threatens:
    if the habitual sinners do not repent, he must exercise his authority to punish them!
    How different in churches today ... where most pastors do not confront habitual sinners!


    Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:
    “Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,
    when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not
    want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (He) wants everyone to repent.
    … what holy and godly lives you should live … make every effort to be found living
    peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. … I am warning you ahead of time
    … Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)


    John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:
    “But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
    and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
    This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all
    unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
    … We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
    … we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
    (The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary, charismatic)


    2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:
    “My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
    But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before
    the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1, NLT)


    Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!
    They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.
    So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,
    and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.


    “Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord.
    Perhaps He will forgive your evil thoughts (i.e. sins).” (Acts 8:22, NLT)


    “Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have
    received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice
    that will cover these sins” (Hebrews 10:26, NLT)


    Jesus warns 5 of the 7 churches to repent in Revelation 2 - Revelation 3.

    Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides of the same coin.
    Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means
    to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus when one is mentioned the other is implied.
    … John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved.
    Instead, he used believe since this term included all of these ideas.
    (The Holman Christian Standard Bible)
     
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  2. Monksailor

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    Yes, MUCH is said about God's Grace in the Bible and verses like Epesians 2:8-9 assure us that it is NOT by anything we do that we are saved BUT there is MUCH also said about how our life/heart should be after we are saved. Even in the OT a shinning example is David. Grace IS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER to be taken for granted. My signature below adds to this. My favorite verse for this is that after the Apostle Paul expounds upon God's grace early in Romans he THEN says in response to the contemplation of God's Grace, "6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" (Bible Gateway passage: Romans 6:1-11 - New International Version)
     
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  3. AllDayFaith

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    If you say you believe and you are saved, you will gradually change into a more Christ-like person. People that say they believe but continue to sin without feeling guilty are on the fence. Those that are neither hot or cold will be spit out of His mouth.
     
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    Repentance is not a condition to receive Eternal Life.

    To receive Eternal Life a person believe that Jesus is the promised Messiah from Old Testament prophecies and trust in Jesus (The Messiah) for the free gift of Jesus Eternal Life.

    When a person believes in The Messiah for Eternal Life they immediately are born again (become spiritually alive) and become a child of God. Crossing over from death to Everlasting Life.

    Never to cross back over to the spiritual death they received from Adam.
     
  5. Chris V++

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    Which denominations don't teach continued repentance? I'm not being argumentative but just want to know. I even find this in Baptist teachings: If All My Sins Are Forgiven, Why Must I Continue to Repent?
     
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  6. CharismaticLady

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    Do you know what the definition is of a hot Christians, and a cold Christian?
     
  7. CharismaticLady

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    Repentance is key to receiving the Holy Spirit of Christ, without Whom you do not belong to Christ.
     
  8. CharismaticLady

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    It should be if I am born again with the Spirit of God inside me, what sins will I be committing to repent of?
     
  9. Chris V++

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    So you are saying a true born again Christian won't sin, therefore if a professing BAC does sin, they are not nor were they ever truly born again? Or does the Spirit leave them and they lose BAC status?
     
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  10. SkyWriting

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    Not according to your post:
    " to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness)"
    Past, present, and future.

    The claim is that white snow is temporary,
    which is not the case.


    Isaiah 1:18
    “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

    Psalm 51:7
    Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

    Lamentations 4:7
    Her princes were purer than snow, whiter than milk; their bodies were more ruddy than coral, the beauty of their form was like sapphire.

    Revelation 1:14
    The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire,

    Daniel 7:9
    “As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames; its wheels were burning fire.

    1 John 1:9
    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
     
  11. BCsenior

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    I suppose we need another thread with the NT verses
    which are supposed to teach us that salvation can be lost.

    Or, are we supposed to believe that God is bluffing, exaggerating, lying even?

    He does, shall we say, bluff ... in His prophecies (still happening today).
    As with Jonah, people (and nations) can REPENT sufficiently for God to hold back His judgment.
    Truly, it's threaten, threaten, threaten ... and we'll see what happens!
     
  12. BCsenior

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    All can mean past, or present, or future ... depending on the context.
    This verse surely does not mean future!
     
  13. AllDayFaith

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    Go ahead and explain it to me.
     
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  15. CharismaticLady

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    Were they born again? Are you sure?

    5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
     
  16. CharismaticLady

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    Hot - On fire for God, and bold to spread His Word.

    Cold - Refreshing as a cold glass of water on a hot day. Encourages, merciful, loving.

    Both know His Word and keep it.
     
  17. Chris V++

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    So the premise of the thread, that 'Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.' is flawed, since true BAC simply don't sin?
     
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  18. Mountainmanbob

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    No, I believe that we were forgiven for All sins past and present but, we should not take this as a license to sin.

    Repent should have been my middle name.

    We learn as we grow in the Lord.
    There can be a terrible price to pay for sin.
    A couple of guys we knew from Church
    call us occasionally from prison
    proving the point.
    M-Bob
     
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  19. BCsenior

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    So, you don't believe 2 Peter 1:9, etc.
    Great ... You believe your own opinions, biases, false doctrines, etc.
     
  20. magiani

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    It is impossible for a human to be completely sinless. The holly spirit purifies us. Some of us become holly. Stil if someone thinks that he/she has no sins then he/she already commits a sin because only God is the judge. Also for a human is difficult to be fully righteous always and in every situation because a human is not a God. So I think that to be humble, careful, leaving in repentance and praying to Jesus for guidance is a good thing for us to do.
     
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