Do speeders go to hell?

[renniks]

So I’m trying to understand according to scripture does God look at all sin equally? You said much more worrisome sins? Is that scriptural or is that just you personally feel one sin is worse than another? I’m only asking because I was under the impression sin is sin. I’m genuinely interested in understanding how you or anyone else views this so please don’t take it the wrong way.

All sins need atoned for and in that sense sin is sin.
However,
In the New Testament Jesus said it would be more bearable on the day of judgment for Sodom than for Capernaum because of Capernaum’s unbelief and refusal to repent after witnessing His miracles (Matthew 11:23-24). The sins of Sodom were identified in Ezekiel 16:21 as arrogance, gluttony, indifference to the poor and needy, haughtiness, and “detestable things.”

Jesus also reserved His most fierce denunciations for the pride and unbelief of the religious leaders, not the sexually immoral (Matthew 23:13-36).

I don't think anyone really believes all sins are equal. Would any really claim that stealing a pen was the same as killing a million people?
My point was that our being redeemed does not depend on us remembering every sin we have ever committed and confessing them all separately.
Faith is leaning on Christ for our salvation, not on our supposed sinlessness or perfection.

 

[blackhole]

I don't think anyone really believes all sins are equal. Would any really claim that stealing a pen was the same as killing a million people?

Sadly, some people would claim that they're equal sins.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

All sins need atoned for and in that sense sin is sin.
However,
In the New Testament Jesus said it would be more bearable on the day of judgment for Sodom than for Capernaum because of Capernaum’s unbelief and refusal to repent after witnessing His miracles (Matthew 11:23-24). The sins of Sodom were identified in Ezekiel 16:21 as arrogance, gluttony, indifference to the poor and needy, haughtiness, and “detestable things.”

Jesus also reserved His most fierce denunciations for the pride and unbelief of the religious leaders, not the sexually immoral (Matthew 23:13-36).

I don't think anyone really believes all sins are equal. Would any really claim that stealing a pen was the same as killing a million people?
My point was that our being redeemed does not depend on us remembering every sin we have ever committed and confessing them all separately.
Faith is leaning on Christ for our salvation, not on our supposed sinlessness or perfection.

When I get a second I will look up why I thought God considered all sin as equal. If it doesn’t say that in scripture than I am wrong and thank you for correcting me. Regardless if all people think sin is equal or not is irrelevant because if God says sin is equal than its equal. But maybe it doesn’t say that in scripture and I will have to check on that. However if it does say that then this is exactly why there are so many issues. Because we see it as there’s no way that is true so let’s fill in the blanks. I just think if a person is a believer in a specific belief system you either believe what that belief system teaches or your not a complete believer in that system. Th minute we start saying well “this is what this actually means” is where we are deviating from said belief system into something we are making up ourselves.

 

[Albion]

These distinctions are not made in scripture.

I am of the opinion that they actually are. I simply adapted Scriptural advice, the Sermon on the Mount, and other admonitions to a modern situation. And I didn't go into much detail, I realize, thinking that the point speaks for itself if we give it a moment's thought.

To disadvantage or imperil any innocent person, such as we might do with careless driving. surely has to be seen as out of step with all that Jesus taught about love and not putting ourselves above other people. Of course, when we speed, we don't usually think that we are courting an accident, but down deep we know that we are increasing the chances, and that there could easily be worse than a fender-bender as a result.

Speed limit is 60 but you can drive 65. That isn’t true.

It looks like you took that comment to mean we're allowed by the police to get away with a modest excess. What I meant is that people do speed--a little--when traffic is light and conditions are good, probably without substantially increasing the chances of an accident.

 

[blackhole]

When I get a second I will look up why I thought God considered all sin as equal. If it doesn’t say that in scripture than I am wrong and thank you for correcting me. Regardless if all people think sin is equal or not is irrelevant because if God says sin is equal than its equal. But maybe it doesn’t say that in scripture and I will have to check on that. However if it does say that then this is exactly why there are so many issues. Because we see it as there’s no way that is true so let’s fill in the blanks. I just think if a person is a believer in a specific belief system you either believe what that belief system teaches or your not a complete believer in that system. Th minute we start saying well “this is what this actually means” is where we are deviating from said belief system into something we are making up ourselves.

Pages ago, I gave three texts to show that they're not equal.

 

[Rebemk80]

From the protestant point of view, please.

Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.

And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?

The U.S law or any other government law from a different country does not apply biblically. Just because something is the government law doesn't mean that that is correct. For example abortion. Abortion is legal yet it is a sin in the eyes of God. So no, "speeders" will not go to hell because they are not breaking the lords commandments or sinning. They are only sinning if they are lying about it.

 

[Blade]

Sadly, some people would claim that they're equal sins.

Seems we still picture God through mans eyes. The question was speeders and (forgive me Father) go to hell. If one wants to measure sin or not matters not. Books are open. Is your name written there? Christ is the only door in from what I read. Yet there are those that are blind, if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see, your sin remains. "But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."

So the ones as in Satan and those that freely follow him receive the same reward. measuring sin. I think we need measure His grace, His mercy, His compassion, His forgiveness 1st.

So for me all sin is the same in this world. Not talking about man. With man its measured. So in this world no matter the sin it gives the enemy the right to act. Sin small or great or the same has a price. It leads to death. Something you can't see smell feel hear... it that SIN small or great leads to death. And truth be told matters not what we say here. He the great I AM is the one that has the final say here. He alone looks in the books. So no sin will send anyone to (forgive me Father) hell. Do you know His son?

 

[d taylor]

Speeders get tickets, people who do not trust in Jesus for His free gift of His Eternal Life, eventually go to the lake of fire.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Pages ago, I gave three texts to show that they're not equal.

I guess I’ll have to go back and look then. And your sure that no where in scripture it says they are equal? If so then I stand corrected and I thank you.

 

[Archivist]

It looks like you took that comment to mean we're allowed by the police to get away with a modest excess. What I meant is that people do speed--a little--when traffic is light and conditions are good, probably without substantially increasing the chances of an accident.

If you read my earlier post I said that the police had to allow people a certain mph over the speed limit. That isn’t up to the police—that is by court rulings.

 

[Archivist]

I guess I’ll have to go back and look then. And your sure that no where in scripture it says they are equal? If so then I stand corrected and I thank you.

Sins are equal only to the extent that any un forgiven sin could send you to hell.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Again I get what your saying. I’ve seen a a person or two on the forum say they have gotten to perfection and no longer sin ever lol. That’s awesome for them but I have to admit I’m not one of those perfect ones honestly.... but my only question is about how others may feel if it’s ok for some to speed, another may feel it’s ok to lie and another may feel it’s ok to cheat and another may feel it’s ok fornicate and so on. If it becomes a point that we get to decide when and where it’s ok to do things that God said wasn’t ok then we leave it open to interpretation by each individual and we know what scripture says about individual interpretation

I'm not advocating sin. One of the great problems in the church is how little discipline there is. Sin should be called out, not swept under the carpet.
The gospel is about God's kingdom, not just going to heaven when you die. It is possible to be forgiven but miss out on a place in God's kingdom. (Parable of the wise and foolish virgins). Paul lists sin that disqualifies believers from the Kingdom - 1 Corinthians 6:9. Our incentive to grow spiritually should be to become Kingdom people, not just avoiding hell.
What bugs me about many holiness preachers is the false impression that they give that our salvation is based on our behaviour. Never. Our salvation is based on Christ and what he did through His death and resurrection. Our ongoing deliverance is just as much the work of grace. Many will claim to have cast out demons, to have prophesied and whatever. My claim is only what Lord Jesus has done for me, not in any way what I have done for Him. My righteousness (the best that I can do) is still filthy rags to God. Lord Jesus is my Lord, my Life, my Holiness and my Righteousness. He is my Wisdom and Sanctification.

 

[Aussie Pete]

If you read my earlier post I said that the police had to allow people a certain mph over the speed limit. That isn’t up to the police—that is by court rulings.

That is because no speedo is 100% accurate and neither is the device that measures your speed. Many speeding cases have been dismissed because the radar or whatever was not proven accurate.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Sins are equal only to the extent that any un forgiven sin could send you to hell.

Ok I see. Can you tell me where it explains this in scripture so I can look it up?

 

[Cis.jd]

It depends. If he speeds because he is dumb, cant drive, or really has an emergency then it is probably understandable. Not all sins are damned to hell, if that is the case then Jesus’ sacrifice was weak.

Now if he constantly does it because he thinks he is high and mighty, he will end up in jail for awhile.

 

[Mark Quayle]

From the protestant point of view, please.

Romans 13 commands us to obey the government.

And 1 John 2:3-4 says: Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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So then can we fairly say that if someone is a speeder and they don't repent, and they do this for their entire lives, that they are not Christian -- even if they claim to be?

There's a principle I learned as a Missionary Kid in South America, where laws are sometimes made up on the spot by the authorities. "The law is what is enforced --not what is written on the sign."

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

There's a principle I learned as a Missionary Kid in South America, where laws are sometimes made up on the spot by the authorities. "The law is what is enforced --not what is written on the sign."

Lol come on. Now I know for sure we all just make stuff up now. Does anybody actually no what they are talking about or are we all just giving our beat guesses to what scripture means? Starting to get a little weird the more posts I see of people just throwing out opinions lol.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Blind post. I have not read through the previous 5 pages of answers.

We don't go to hell for speeding. We don't go to hell for cussing, for laughing at dirty jokes, for skipping church, for lying, for committing adultery, for stealing, or for murder, either.

Until we are washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, we're bound for hell anyway, not because we did one of the above things, but because our very nature is sinful and fallen. We don't have to commit any egregious act. All we have to do is be imperfect, which we all are. Imperfection cannot exist in the presence of a holy God. It would be destroyed instantly. That's why everybody had to stay away from the mountain and not touch it when Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments. Because God was there.

Think of a mosquito flying into bug zapper. Zzzzt--and it's gone. No more mosquito. Did the mosquito do anything more awful than any other mosquito does? Nope. It didn't get zapped for anything specific that it did. It was just being a mosquito, and the zapper is a zapper, and that's how it works.

That's why Jesus had to be perfect for us. We take on His nature, and we're safe around that zapper. If we do end up getting zapped, it isn't because we sinned worse than somebody else who didn't get zapped. It's not what we did. It's what we didn't do. We didn't put on the protection of Jesus Christ before we entered that zapper.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Lol come on. Now I know for sure we all just make stuff up now. Does anybody actually no what they are talking about or are we all just giving our beat guesses to what scripture means? Starting to get a little weird the more posts I see of people just throwing out opinions lol.

I will give you an example or two. My dad was building a house. The plumbers' unions had a law passed that all sewer had to be cast iron, yet the stores all sold pvc. What everybody does, then is hire a lawyer to pay the fine and get the stuff you want. That's how the law works.

Another example, if you want to bring something across the border from one country into another, it is customary to pay a little extra 'tip' to the guy searching your car. Everybody knows it, everybody does it, that is how the law works. Ok, if that upsets you, consider you want to bring Bibles across; you bring something like a nice-ish radio, wrap it in a blanket, and put it in your back window. They confiscate it and go away happy.

 

[ColoRaydo]

I love this question!

So many people on this forum tout their obedience as a prerequisite to salvation. So many people condemn homosexuality, divorce, and premarital sex, because they don’t do those things. Yet no one condemns speeding! No one condemns wasting electricity! No one condemns throwing plastic bottles into the ocean! The list is infinite!

All sin may not be equal in terms of its severity, but any sin disqualifies everyone from eternal life with God ... if they are relying on obedience.

You don’t think speeding is a sin? OK, the overwhelming vast majority of gays don’t believe being gay (acting on it) is a sin either. If you can rationalize speeding for whatever reason, why can’t they rationalize homosexuality?

If any question has ever pointed out the futility of salvation through perfect obedience versus the absolute necessity of relying on Jesus’ sacrifice alone, this one has.

** Don’t waste your time saying that I’m insinuating we are not required to be obedient, because I’m NOT saying that. We are required to be obedient, but 99% obedient still ain’t good enough**