The Demise of Evolution

[pitabread]

The article suggests the same "astronomical" odds that I have proposed.

Some context would help. That specific reference is with respect to RNA spontaneously arising:

While there are scientists who think RNA could have arisen spontaneously on early Earth, others say the odds of such a thing happening are astronomical.
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That is not the same sort of context as you keep claiming with respect to "odds".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some context would help. That specific reference is with respect to RNA spontaneously arising:

While there are scientists who think RNA could have arisen spontaneously on early Earth, others say the odds of such a thing happening are astronomical.
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That is not the same sort of context as you keep claiming with respect to "odds".

There are many such steps that share the same odds in the ToE. If each step faces impossible odds how did the process succeed? I don't think it's reasonable to assume clear sailing once the RNA/DNA thing is resolved. And even that is underpinned by unexplained processes. Too many assumptions as placeholders.

 

[pitabread]

There are many such steps that share the same odds in the ToE.

There are no meaningful ways to actually calculate those odds though, so such discussion is irrelevant. In the context of the article quote, the reference to improbability is strictly colloquial. This is where context matters.

If each step faces impossible odds how did the process succeed? I don't think it's reasonable to assume clear sailing once the RNA/DNA thing is resolved.

In the context of the article they are quoting a chemist, Robert Shapiro. A quick reference to his Wikipedia article suggests he doesn't favor an RNA-first scenario, and proposes a different scenario for the origin of life:

He opposed the RNA world hypothesis, and held that the spontaneous emergence of a molecule as complicated as RNA is highly unlikely. Instead, he proposed that life arose from some self-sustaining and compartmentalized reaction of simple molecules: "metabolism first" instead of "RNA first". This reaction would have to be able to reproduce and evolve, eventually leading to RNA. - Robert Shapiro (chemist) - Wikipedia​

Again, context.

 

[d taylor]

What is the purpose of the belly button in evolution, since science lies and states we came from slime.

 

[pitabread]

What is the purpose of the belly button in evolution, since science lies and states we came from slime.

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What?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What is the purpose of the belly button in evolution, since science lies and states we came from slime.

... care to give that another go, chief?

 

[lasthero]

What is the purpose of the belly button in evolution, since science lies and states we came from slime.

No biologist has ever said we came from slime.

Read a biology book sometime. It won’t burn you, I promise.

 

[Jimmy D]

No biologist has ever said we came from slime.

Read a biology book sometime. It won’t burn you, I promise.

The devil must have been chuckling when he came up with creationism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No biologist has ever said we came from slime.

Read a biology book sometime. It won’t burn you, I promise.

We came from 'goo' (as in "Goo to You")

 

[Juvenal]

No biologist has ever said we came from slime.

I dunno ... I've seen an embryo.

 

[Shemjaza]

What is the purpose of the belly button in evolution, since science lies and states we came from slime.

It's a scar from where your umbilical cord attached you to your placenta while in your mothers womb.

Other born or hatched animals have something similar.

 

[d taylor]

... care to give that another go, chief?

No i have wasted enough time to today on scientific lies

 

[Bungle_Bear]

No i have wasted enough time to today on scientific lies

You could save all of us that time in future by not telling them.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No i have wasted enough time to today on scientific lies

Same as what Bungle_Bear said: would be better for everyone if you didn't tell said lies.

 

[d taylor]

Just was wanting to see the explanation of the birthing process in evolution. Especially the evolution of the womb. How was the birth brought fourth before the womb evolved and then how the birthing process came about while the womb was evolving over billions of years. What did the womb evolve from, what was it before, it is what we know now.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just was wanting to see the explanation of the birthing process in evolution. Especially the evolution of the womb. How was the birth brought fourth before the womb evolved and then how the birthing process came about while the womb was evolving over billions of years. What did the womb evolve from, what was it before, it is what we know now.

Then why didn't you ask that instead of saying: "What is the purpose of the belly button in evolution, since science lies and states we came from slime."

 

[Shemjaza]

Just was wanting to see the explanation of the birthing process in evolution. Especially the evolution of the womb. How was the birth brought fourth before the womb evolved and then how the birthing process came about while the womb was evolving over billions of years. What did the womb evolve from, what was it before, it is what we know now.

Before mammals had a womb, their ancestors internally fertilised, then laid eggs similar to reptiles.

The internal structure doesn't have to maintain their young over the entire development so it is structurally simpler.

An even simpler system is to lay unfertilised eggs then for the male to fertilise them. Many fish and amphibians use this system.

(Incidentally the belly button or equivalent may still be visible on an animal who hatched from an egg because the internals of the egg can attach to the developing animal in the same way.)

 

[d taylor]

Before mammals had a womb, their ancestors internally fertilised, then laid eggs similar to reptiles.

The internal structure doesn't have to maintain their young over the entire development so it is structurally simpler.

An even simpler system is to lay unfertilised eggs then for the male to fertilise them. Many fish and amphibians use this system.

(Incidentally the belly button or equivalent may still be visible on an animal who hatched from an egg because the internals of the egg can attach to the developing animal in the same way.)

Show me evidence of a human egg

 

[Shemjaza]

Show me evidence of a human egg

Humans have never laid eggs.

The very earliest mammals laid eggs and now only one very small branch does likewise. (Just two species).

Can you explain what point you are trying to make? It seems to jump around from belly buttons to eggs.

 

[lasthero]

Show me evidence of a human egg

Why are you asking for something you don’t even want?

Be honest - is there any evidence you’d actually accept for evolution?