The Demise of Evolution

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The topic is why I don't believe in evolution. So let's look more closely at 'evolution'.

No, because you've been told that it doesn't work like that. In fact, this is an example of you trolling. You've been given the answer to your questions, which is the changes at the genetic level. Asking about atoms and molecules takes it outside of evolution and biology all together.

 

[pitabread]

For evolution to happen tissues must first change at the molecular level.

Are you talking about genetic changes? Do you know what genes are? DNA, etc? Is that what you are referring to?

Maybe just give an example of whatever it is you are talking about.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Are you talking about genetic changes? Do you know what genes are? DNA, etc? Is that what you are referring to?

Maybe just give an example of whatever it is you are talking about.

I'm talking about the precursors to the process. How did they evolve? You can't just start out with genes and DNA. What are genes and DNA made of, and where did that material come from? And how did it come about?

 

[Speedwell]

I'm talking about the precursors to the process. How did they evolve? You can't just start out with genes and DNA. What are genes and DNA made of, and where did that material come from? And how did it come about?

That is a different field of scientific study called abiogenesis. Evolution does not begin until self-replicating life forms exist.

 

[pitabread]

I'm talking about the precursors to the process. How did they evolve? You can't just start out with genes and DNA. What are genes and DNA made of, and where did that material come from? And how did it come about?

So you're talking about the origin of life? That's not covered by the current theory of evolution; the theory of evolution deals with living things after life's origin.

If you want to understand the origin of life, you have to look into origin of life research and study up on organic chemistry. Have you looked into those subjects?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That is a different field of scientific study called abiogenesis. Evolution does not begin until self-replicating life forms exist.

That's the 'problem' I am talking about.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So you're talking about the origin of life? That's not covered by the current theory of evolution; the theory of evolution deals with living things after life's origin.

If you want to understand the origin of life, you have to look into origin of life research and study up on organic chemistry. Have you looked into those subjects?

Not the origin. Evolution, according to science, began acting on the first life form.

 

[Speedwell]

Not the origin. Evolution, according to science, began acting on the first life form.

Yeah, but there had to be a life form first for it to act. Since the process by which that life form came to be is thought to have been different from the process by which evolution proceeds, it has seemed appropriate to science to consider them in two different scientific disciplines.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yeah, but there had to be a life form first for it to act. Since the process by which that life form came to be is thought to have been different from the process by which evolution proceeds, it has seemed appropriate to science to consider them in two different scientific disciplines.

Of course. But how did that first life form develop sufficiently for evolution to finally take over it's development into what we see today? It seems there's a pretty big gap there.

 

[Speedwell]

Of course. But how did that first life form develop sufficiently for evolution to finally take over it's development into what we see today? It seems there's a pretty big gap there.

It's an area of ongoing scientific research. Do you want to learn about it or not?

 

[ruthiesea]

Of course. But how did that first life form develop sufficiently for evolution to finally take over it's development into what we see today? It seems there's a pretty big gap there.

You make it sound like evolution is some kind of force. It isn’t. It’s an explanation for observable phenomena.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You make it sound like evolution is some kind of force. It isn’t. It’s an explanation for observable phenomena.

Isn't "natural selection" a force?

 

[Speedwell]

Isn't "natural selection" a force?

No, it's just the environment in which a creature exists. Natural selection is the interaction of the creature with its environment.

 

[pitabread]

Not the origin. Evolution, according to science, began acting on the first life form.

Sure. What you are asking about though seems to relate to origin of life. So if you want to start learning about those aspects of life and life's precursors, start investigating current origin-of-life research.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sure. What you are asking about though seems to relate to origin of life. So if you want to start learning about those aspects of life and life's precursors, start investigating current origin-of-life research.

I'm referring to the time between the appearance of the first life form and when evolution begins to act on that life form.

 

[pitabread]

I'm referring to the time between the appearance of the first life form and when evolution begins to act on that life form.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm referring to the time between the appearance of the first life form and when evolution begins to act on that life form.

Define "first life form."

 

[Shemjaza]

I'm referring to the time between the appearance of the first life form and when evolution begins to act on that life form.

Evolution is a consequence of life competing for resources.

Reproduction and mutation create the variety.

The more successful variety will grown in number faster.

This isn't supposition, it's a description of how life works.

 

[Juvenal]

As long as satan is free, evolution will be believed along with other scientific lies.

Could be someone has already mentioned this, but the author of that piece is Glenn Morton, who's not merely Christian, not merely an inerrantist, but a literalist. I've posted with him for years.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Define "first life form."

This might help explain the problem I have with it.

I retitled the article to,

"Evolution. A Theory Built On Shifting Sand."

How Did Life Arise on Earth? | Live Science

The article suggests the same "astronomical" odds that I have proposed.