Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

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God put them in them Garden of Eden on the Eighth day.

You could say they were in the garden on day 8. They were there until they fell.

Adam were placed in the garden on day 6. On day 6 Eve was created from Adams rib...while Adam was in the garden.

 

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What you need to do is to study science and ancient history. I have studied both for over 50 years now. Just when do you think this 6th day was?

What you need to do is study the bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What you need to do is study the bible.

I have read the Bible 5 times. The issue here has to do with History and Science. We have to examine the evidence that God has given to us to examine.

 

[joshua 1 9]

This is during the 1000 years----and this is the bottomless pit---the abyss--to which Satan and his angels are sent. An empty earth--destroyed by the 2nd coming.

I have seen the bottomless pit. There is always a remnant to repopulate the earth. Usually 10%. Actually the earth was in a state of ruin at the end of the ice age 12,990 years ago. 90% of the species went extinct.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You've misapplied the bible when it talks about 1 day being 1000 years.

Both Moses and Peter talk about how a day is 1,000 years. That does not falsify that a day can be a literal 24 hour day. It all depends on your perspective. I have said many times it took God 12.990 billion years to create Adam and Eve. Yet we find them in Eden 5990 years ago. There is a time and a place that if you had a time machine you could go visit them. Just like Jesus was born in an exact time and place so that the wise men went to give Him gifts. Yet we are told that our names are written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev 13:8)

 

[joshua 1 9]

Bishop Usher did the math.

I have Bishop Usher's book. His book is very accurate. I use his timeline for when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. He says NOTHING about what took place before Adam and Eve. 500 years ago they knew nothing about the world that was here before Adam and Eve. Science has learned a lot and God has give us a lot to work with. This is what Daniel talks about where knowledge will increase.

 

[joshua 1 9]

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested.

It took God 12.990 billion years to make Adam and Eve. God finished His works in a six day period of time. According to theistic evolution it took God a lot longer then 6 days to make man and all the plants and animals that we find in the Garden of Eden. God wants us to know the work He has done.

What you need to do is study: "first fruit". The seed has to sprout, take root, grow and eventually the tree will produce fruit. There is a day that the seed spouts, in the beginning, there is a day when the tree will produce a root and that root system will grow. There there is a day when the tree will begin to produce fruit. By what stretch of the imagination are you going to produce a mature tree in 24 hours? Not just a tree but a whole bio diverse eco system. People need to read their Biology book. They need to study science. Most main line denominations require their pastors to study science first before they study to become a pastor or a priest in the church. It is just the pastors with a 2 year associate degree that do not study science and that hinders them in their understanding of the Bible.

You want to invest five minutes into something and you think you know more then a PhD that has spent a very intense 8 years of their life in research and study. If you go to a doctor you do not go to someone that put five minutes of effort into becoming a doctor. You go to someone who has studied for years to learn all we need to learn to practice medicine.

This door swings both ways. I know people with a PhD in science that do not even have a third graders level of understanding in the Bible. A third grader can memorize up to 300 scriptures chapter and verse. I know of PhD people that do not know their Bible at all and do not have any of it memorized.

We need balance in life and we need to study science, math, history & the Bible. Even now I am doing a study on the Hebrew Language and how that relates to the English language we study today.

 

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I have seen the bottomless pit. There is always a remnant to repopulate the earth. Usually 10%. Actually the earth was in a state of ruin at the end of the ice age 12,990 years ago. 90% of the species went extinct.

The ice age was a result of the world wide flood of Noah.

 

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Both Moses and Peter talk about how a day is 1,000 years. That does not falsify that a day can be a literal 24 hour day. It all depends on your perspective.

Those verses mean that for God..time means nothing as God exist outside of time.

I have said many times it took God 12.990 billion years to create Adam and Eve. Yet we find them in Eden 5990 years ago. There is a time and a place that if you had a time machine you could go visit them. Just like Jesus was born in an exact time and place so that the wise men went to give Him gifts. Yet we are told that our names are written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev 13:8)

The bible says it took less than a day.

BTW...Rev 13:8 is talking about worshipping the beast.

 

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I have Bishop Usher's book. His book is very accurate. I use his timeline for when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden. He says NOTHING about what took place before Adam and Eve. 500 years ago they knew nothing about the world that was here before Adam and Eve. Science has learned a lot and God has give us a lot to work with. This is what Daniel talks about where knowledge will increase.

The bible does tell us Adam and Eve had no parents. There were no people...or this statement would be false. Gen 3:20 And Adam named his wife Eve, because she was to be the mother of all the living.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The ice age was a result of the world wide flood of Noah.

Noah's flood was shadow and a type or a archetype of what happened at Pangaea when God destroyed the dinosaurs. Today they like to use the word paradigm. This is why Moses tells the story the way he does. Because he is talking about BOTH floods at the same time. Just like in Matthew chapter 24 Jesus is talking about two events at the same time. When they would destroy the temple in 70 ad and how that relates to the end of this age. What they call the church age or the age of grace or the time of the gentles. There are many names for the age we are currently living in. As age that has lasted for almost 2,000 years, not just a literal 24 hour day. There was 4,000 years or four day between Adam and Jesus. Bishop Usher goes into a great deal of detail about those 4,000 years. He used books and resources that are no longer available to us.

 

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It took God 12.990 billion years to make Adam and Eve. God finished His works in a six day period of time. According to theistic evolution it took God a lot longer then 6 days to make man and all the plants and animals that we find in the Garden of Eden. God wants us to know the work He has done.

What you need to do is study: "first fruit". The seed has to sprout, take root, grow and eventually the tree will produce fruit. There is a day that the seed spouts, in the beginning, there is a day when the tree will produce a root and that root system will grow. There there is a day when the tree will begin to produce fruit. By what stretch of the imagination are you going to produce a mature tree in 24 hours? Not just a tree but a whole bio diverse eco system. People need to read their Biology book. They need to study science. Most main line denominations require their pastors to study science first before they study to become a pastor or a priest in the church. It is just the pastors with a 2 year associate degree that do not study science and that hinders them in their understanding of the Bible.

You want to invest five minutes into something and you think you know more then a PhD that has spent a very intense 8 years of their life in research and study. If you go to a doctor you do not go to someone that put five minutes of effort into becoming a doctor. You go to someone who has studied for years to learn all we need to learn to practice medicine.

This door swings both ways. I know people with a PhD in science that do not even have a third graders level of understanding in the Bible. A third grader can memorize up to 300 scriptures chapter and verse. I know of PhD people that do not know their Bible at all and do not have any of it memorized.

We need balance in life and we need to study science, math, history & the Bible. Even now I am doing a study on the Hebrew Language and how that relates to the English language we study today.

Trees were made on day 3.
11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants and fruit trees, each bearing fruit with seed according to its kind.” And it was so. 12 The earth produced vegetation: seed-bearing plants according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Then more trees were made in the Garden on day 6
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed. 9 Out of the ground the LORD God gave growth to every tree that is pleasing to the eye and good for food. And in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The following is another example of rapid plant growth...Jonah 4:6 Now the LORD God appointed a plant and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be a shade over his head, to save him from his discomfort. So Jonah was exceedingly glad because of the plant.

 

[mmksparbud]

Both Moses and Peter talk about how a day is 1,000 years. That does not falsify that a day can be a literal 24 hour day. It all depends on your perspective. I have said many times it took God 12.990 billion years to create Adam and Eve. Yet we find them in Eden 5990 years ago. There is a time and a place that if you had a time machine you could go visit them. Just like Jesus was born in an exact time and place so that the wise men went to give Him gifts. Yet we are told that our names are written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev 13:8)

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


So creates grass and trees and all this vegetation and the 3rd day---- and it sits for 1000 years----with no sun. It comes on the 4th day. Don't think so.

 

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People need to read their Biology book

I can't argue with that...BUT....the biology book also says if you die, you don't come back to life on day 3. I find it ironic how some people can claim Jesus resurrected from the dead despite the fact your biology book says they can't....then use mans fallible science against special creation as per Genesis.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Those verses mean that for God..time means nothing as God exist outside of time.

God's perspective is from the Beginning. People get confused because they are looking back on time when God is looking forward. God declares the end from the beginning. "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." (Isaiah 46:10) "I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled." (Jeremiah 1:12) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End". (Rev 22:13)

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when the plowman will overtake the reaper and the treader of grapes, the sower of seed." (Amos 9:13) This is not a past event, this is a future event.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So creates grass and trees and all this vegetation and the 3rd day

You do not grow grass and trees in a literal 24 hour day. That is impossible by any stretch of the imagination. I have done to much gardening, I know how long it takes for a seed to grow and produce fruit to eat.

 

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Noah's flood was shadow and a type or a archetype of what happened at Pangaea when God destroyed the dinosaurs. Today they like to use the word paradigm. This is why Moses tells the story the way he does. Because he is talking about BOTH floods at the same time. Just like in Matthew chapter 24 Jesus is talking about two events at the same time. When they would destroy the temple in 70 ad and how that relates to the end of this age. What they call the church age or the age of grace or the time of the gentles. There are many names for the age we are currently living in. As age that has lasted for almost 2,000 years, not just a literal 24 hour day. There was 4,000 years or four day between Adam and Jesus. Bishop Usher goes into a great deal of detail about those 4,000 years. He used books and resources that are no longer available to us.

Now, you've read the bible 5 times.....and Genesis tells us God destroyed more than the dinosaurs in the flood.

I will agree that at the end or near the end of the flood the continents were moved around. We have evidence of this when we see rock that you claim to be many millions of years old bent into what is called recumbent folds. Strata that was still soft from recently being deposited by the flood and could bent.
Your rocks would not bend like that. They would snap, crackle and pop.

 

[mmksparbud]

You do not grow grass and trees in a literal 24 hour day. That is impossible by any stretch of the imagination. I have done to much gardening, I know how long it takes for a seed to grow and produce fruit to eat.

I don't---God does. He doesn't even need that long. You need to get to know your God. Not the ideas of men.
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

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Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


So creates grass and trees and all this vegetation and the 3rd day---- and it sits for 1000 years----with no sun. It comes on the 4th day. Don't think so.

On the surface that's a good argument...but...there was the "let there be light" that could have supported plant growth.

 

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God's perspective is from the Beginning. People get confused because they are looking back on time when God is looking forward. God declares the end from the beginning. "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." (Isaiah 46:10) "I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled." (Jeremiah 1:12) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End". (Rev 22:13)

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when the plowman will overtake the reaper and the treader of grapes, the sower of seed." (Amos 9:13) This is not a past event, this is a future event.

I find that argument neutral.