Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

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Genesis 1:1 begins with the nano diamond comet 12,990 years ago. Six North American Sites Hold 12,900-year-old Nanodiamond-rich Soil I am not saying the comet did anything, it is just a marker: "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars". At the time there was a 90% extinction. For example Saber Tooth Tigars & Wholly Mammoths were killed off. There is always a population radiation or explosion after a major extinction. In the area I live when the glaciers melted they left about 12 to 15 feet of muck behind. I have photographed the layers to the earth when they were working on the bridge and when they built the expressway. So I have studied some of the geology. God rested on the 7th day then on the eight day 5990 years ago we see Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. We can study Chedder man. He live about 10,000 years ago. Even he has living relatives today.He lived before Adam and Eve because they lived 5990 years ago. I would have to write a whole book to explain all of this, using the Bible, Ancient History and Modern Science. For example over at the University of Jerusalem we have Professors with a PhD in Botany that are experts on the domestication of plants and animals in the middle east. It was the garden in Eden with all of the plants and animals that God placed in Eden that Noah saved on his ark. So I guess you could say I am a Theistic Evolution, I am also YEC and I am also OEC. What we are talking about here YEC - is what I can explain the best. This is based on dispensationalism where a day is equal to 1,000 years. It took God 12.990 Billion years to create Adam and Eve but we find them 5,990 years ago in Eden. The third day measures from when Jesus went to Calvery. We are very close to the third day. About 10 years off. The Church began on the day of pentacost 50 days after Jesus went to calvery.

With all due respect joshua, the bible says day 6.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Please show me from scripture where it says that the man and woman is mankind and the ancestors to Adam and Eve.

"Mankind" and Adam is the same word in the Hebrew.

Also where it says that Adam and Eve were made on the eighth day.

God rested on the 7 day and then made Adam and Eve on the 8th day.

 

[-57]

"Mankind" and Adam is the same word in the Hebrew.

Not to sound disrespectful...but, so what?

God rested on the 7 day and then made Adam and Eve on the 8th day.

True God rested on the 7th day....but you seem to have a problem explaining Adam being made on the 8th day.

 

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God rested on the 7 day and then made Adam and Eve on the 8th day.

Who was the "man" made on day 6? What became of that "man"?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who was the "man" made on day 6? What became of that "man"?

I take it he was not the bionic man , steve something-or-another ?





It took a few years to 'make' him..... or did it?

 

[joshua 1 9]

With all due respect joshua, the bible says day 6.

Day 6 for what? The Bible has a literal understanding for children who live by faith. Within a literal 24 hour day we find wisdom, knowledge and the mysteries of God. Let me give you an example. The Pharisees told Jesus: "Herod wants to kill You.” This was His reply: "Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected". If a day is 1,000 years then the first two days represent the Church Age, also known as the age of Grace or the time of the Gentiles. Then the third day is the 1,000 year reign of Christ known as the Kingdom age. This is when the church will be perfected. It is not their work because this is a time of sabbath when man will rest from his works. There are other scriptures that talk about this: "On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance". Even Abraham looked into the future and he saw the third day when we would all be perfected together. From a distance he saw this day and how the sacrifice of His son was a type of the sacrifice God made of His Son for our sake so we could be perfected. These are the mysteries of God that are hidden from those who perish but are revealed to those who are redeemed. We know that the third day and the seventh day are the same. We are very close to the end of the sixth day. WE are 6 days from Adam and Eve. That is why this age is coming to an end and the Kingdom age when the Sons of God will be Manifest is about to be revealed.

Now we are talking about the eighth day. This is when Adam and Eve appeared in the Garden of Eden. What some people call paradise. The eighth day for us comes after the 7th day, after the Kingdom age. This is when there will be a new heaven and a new earth. This is also when there will be a lake of fire and the enemies of God will be destroyed. Not because He did not love them. Because they did not return His love. They rejected Him as their God. They followed satan in his rebellion against God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I take it he was not the bionic man , steve something-or-another ?

My son was just talking about this. He said in the next 10 years there are going to be a lot of advances in this. The bionic man is the robot they are using on the assembly line when they build their factory. He is a computer engineer so it is his job to do the programming as he builds the assembly lines. Although the last project he worked on was the cameras they use to keep an eye on everything to make sure there are not any problems anywhere. When we see photos of the robots in a modern factory it is those cameras they are using to get those pictures. He showed me a photo of a robot picking up boxes to load on a pallet. He said that they were working on the robot hand that could pick up the boxes.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Who was the "man" made on day 6? What became of that "man"?

Depends on your perspective. As a YEC each day is 1,000 years. The man at the time was a hunter gather. "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7)

Science tells us a lot about how God created Adam and Eve. We start with the program Cosmos where Carl Sagon and Neil DeGrasse Tyson tells us that we are "star dust". This is where God created the elements (dust of the ground) that He used to make Adam and Eve. This is why I say it took God 12.990 Billion years to create Adam and Eve. Yet we find them FINISHED or perfected 5990 years ago in the garden of eden. On the eighth day Adam was perfected and on the 14th day mankind will be perfected.

If you look at OEC (old world creationism) The first human ancestors appeared between five million and seven million years ago. Each day in Genesis is half the length of the day before. Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

OEC, YEC, Theistic Evolution are all looking at the same thing from a different perspective. Everything is relative depending on your perspective and your vantage point. The Hebrew letter for the eye is made with a Y. Because the two eyes join together for make ONE image. You can go to the beginning and look forward. You can go to the end and look back. You can go to a point a time and a place. Like when Jesus was born. OR when Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden. This is like a snapshot of time. Or we can go back to 12,990 years ago when our era or age began. I use the nano diamond comet as a marker for when the age we live in began. Six North American Sites Hold 12,900-year-old Nanodiamond-rich Soil

God is infinite and we could go on forever talking about all of this. In fact the very first letter in the Bible is infinite and we could spend the rest of our life just to do a study on that ONE letter. In this case it is a B and that represents a tent or tabernacle actually. This represents God's desire to dwell with and to become one with His Creation. So there is a LOT of story to tell just with that letter B. This also represents Ben or Jesus the Son of God. Who was a child of the father but He did not come to be served, He gave His life as a sacrifice and to serve others. All of this is in the first letter of the first word in our Bible. This sets the foundation for the rest of the Bible to explain.

 

[coffee4u]

"Mankind" and Adam is the same word in the Hebrew.

God rested on the 7 day and then made Adam and Eve on the 8th day.

Genesis 1
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Find me a scripture that says the eighth-day.

"Mankind" and Adam is the same word in the Hebrew.

If the word is the same then there is as much chance that it means mankind in Genesis 1 as it means Adam. Give some supporting scriptures that would indicate that the word is anything other than Adam.

 

[joshua 1 9]

True God rested on the 7th day....but you seem to have a problem explaining Adam being made on the 8th day.

Why would that be a problem? The only problem is that God is infinite and there is a lot of information to work with. Each day in the Bible represents 1,000 years. I can give you an exact moment in time when this age began using the nano diamond comet. I can give you an exact moment in time with this age will come to an end using the Apophis astroid. We know that Jesus went to carvery at an exact moment in time. We know that the church age began 50 days later in the Upper Room on the day of Pentecost. We have very exact markers to go by. Just like the wise men were able to figure out the exact time and place when Jesus entered the world. They were there to greet Him with Gifts.

2,000 years from when Jesus died at Calvary the Apophis asteroid will be going over Jerusalem to mark that event and to give us the exact moment in time. As exact and as precise as time can be. Then that exact same asteroid will go over Jerusalem 7 years later. Only this will mark the day Jesus was raised up from the dead. That would be impossible for this to be a coincidence.

Here are all the scriptures that talks about the 8 th day: The Eighth Day

 

[joshua 1 9]

Find me a scripture that says the eighth-day.

The scripture we are talking about is all of Genesis chapter two but exp Genesis 2:7 "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being". This was the moment in time when God took Adam and Eve and placed them in the Garden of Eden. For science they are food producers. In the Bible the key word here is the "breath" that God breathed into Adam. The man in Genesis chapter one had life but he did not have the Breath of Life the way Adam and Eve did. For science this was the beginning of civilization and all that goes along with that. Moses was actually the first civil engineer.

We read in Genesis 2:4 " there was no man to cultivate the ground". Then we read: "7Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being". This took place 5,990 years ago when God breathed the breath of life into Adam and place Him in the Garden of Eden. Notice in Genesis 2:4 we read: "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created".

I am ONLY asking you to look at TWO words here in the Hebrew. That can not be so difficult to learn the meaning of TWO words. The breath of life that God breathed INTO Adam. And the GENERATIONS. Another word for Generations is Geneology. This involved the DNA so in the last 50 years we have learned a LOT about this word: "Generations". More exact the generation of the Adam and Eve that we find in the Garden of Eden. Note: this is theistic evolution because evolution talks about a common ancestor which is a VERY Bible concept that Adam and Eve were a matriarch and patriarch or what science would call a common ancestor.

neshamah: breath Strong's Hebrew: 5397. נְשָׁמָה (neshamah) -- breath
Original Word: נְשָׁמָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: neshamah
Phonetic Spelling: (nesh-aw-maw')
Definition: breath

toledoth: generations Strong's Hebrew: 8435. תּוֹלְדוֹת (toledoth) -- generations
Original Word: תּוֹלְדָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: toledoth
Phonetic Spelling: (to-led-aw')
Definition: generations

Is it so difficult to study TWO words to learn what they mean in the origional Hebrew language? I think the problem is you are getting the word: "nephesh" ( נֶפֶשׁ) for soul mixed up with the word: "neshamah" (נְשָׁמָה) Notice they both begin with the letter Vov (hook, nail, secure) Hebrew is backward from English. Also they both contain the letter Sheen which represents teeth- to devour or to consume. The soul has a mouth where the breath of life has "water" and "behold" M for water like the waves and G represents the mouth. It is the only letter within a letter. Behold is represented by the letter E. This is when you put your head and hands up and say HAY, here I am, I am over here, take notice of me. All of these Hebrew letter have a meaning that helps us to understand what the word means.

This is how God can tell the whole story of the whole world in 31 verses. Because the letters that make up the words are symbols that have meaning. We know that Jesus is the beginning and the end. The alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end of the word of God and the Law of God. Just as God declares the end from the beginning. Even in Psalm 139:15,16 David tells us that God writes the book of our life at one conception. Every chapter and every verse.

nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

 

[joshua 1 9]

If the word is the same then there is as much chance that it means mankind in Genesis 1 as it means Adam. Give some supporting scriptures that would indicate that the word is anything other than Adam.

Adam in the Garden of Eden (Genesis chapter 2) descended from the Adam we read about in Genesis chapter one. This is why we need to study the meaning of the word "generations". In science they call this a common ancestor. The Adam in chapter one had a soul. The adam in chapter two had the breath of life. That is why we need to study and understand the meaning of these two Hebrew words: nephesh & neshamah.

 

[coffee4u]

The Bible says he was made out of the dust of the ground, God breathed into his nostrils so he became a living being, he wasn't a descendant of anybody.

And there is no scripture saying he was made on the eighth day.

 

[Neogaia777]

The Bible says he was made out of the dust of the ground, God breathed into his nostrils so he became al living being, he wasn't a descendant of anybody.

And there is no scripture saying he was made on the eighth day.

Agree, I think your very confused @joshua 1 9...

God Bless!

 

[klutedavid]

Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:4...

Day 1 and 2- The creation of the universe, formation of stars/planets, solar systems, etc, the initial formation of the earth as a planet, creation and separating of "dimensions" like the separating of the Heavenly realms and/or dimensions, from the physical ones, etc, and/or beginnings of the atmosphere and beginnings of the seas on day 2, etc... Whatever or however you interpret the "separating and dividing of waters from waters" to mean, etc, with the one above being called "heaven", etc...

Day 3- Dry land appears and is made apart from the sea or the seas, etc, earth is very "volcanic" and the sky is still dark and covered with lots of clouds of dust and ash, some light shining through but not much yet, further formation of the atmosphere, and the very beginnings of very simple, extremely primitive plant life, in the form of algae, proteins and primitive bacteria, etc, primordial ooze, etc, by the ends of day 3 that is going to become more complex in Day 4...

Day 4- Sky begins to clear up, and the volcanic activity on the earth begins to settle down a bit, plant life, now having more light, begins to become more complex forms of plant life, the "revealing" of the sun and moon and stars, etc, on the earth due to the skies clearing up, etc...

Day 5- The age or era of sea life, sea creatures and sea animals begin to come about and become more complex by the beginning of day 6, plant life continuing to evolve and become more complex in or on both the land and in the sea, etc, no land animals yet, etc...

Day 6- The age of land animals and man, land animals come about for the first time (from the sea creatures), and become more complex, till they eventually lead to man coming about, and the fall of man happens, etc, we are still in day 6 now till the results of the fall are fixed or restored, then will begin day 7...

Day 7- The age or era of the rule and reign of Christ on earth from Heaven, or Heaven and earth being one (again) results of the fall or consequences of the fall are restored or fixed or whatever, (we go back to being vegetarians, etc), and this age will last until the end of the earth and the universe as we know it, etc...


Adam and Eve could have been a special creation, in a selected by God specific region or specific area in the earth on or in or during day 6, the Garden of Eden, etc, then were cast out to be among the rest of the "evolved species", etc, two races or species possibly, etc, Cain could have been the first one to interbreed or intermix with these maybe, possibly, or the whole story could just be an allegory, revealing many, many truths to us about our species and the "spirits", and the spiritual, and mankind, and mankind's relationship with God, etc...

The way to resolve the issue of plants sating to come about on day 3 in Genesis 1, and there have not been any kind of vegetation sprouting up from the ground yet in the Garden of Eden on day 6 when Adam was made, is that, if the Garden of Eden was a literal Garden and special set apart from the rest of the world special creation, is that plants may have not been made to grow or come about yet "in that specific region" yet, during the time it was made and/or set apart on or during day 6 yet, but then was by God when He made Adam and put him there...

God Bless!

The earth definitely exists before the first day occurs.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

The earth was dark and void before God moved over the surface of the waters. Then God said let there be light and there was the first evening and morning. The text does not say that the entire creation occurred in six days.

 

[mmksparbud]

"Mankind" and Adam is the same word in the Hebrew.

God rested on the 7 day and then made Adam and Eve on the 8th day.

It says He created them on the 6th day and rested the 7th---there is no 8th day mentioned.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[Neogaia777]

The earth definitely exists before the first day occurs.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

The earth was dark and void before God moved over the surface of the waters. Then God said let there be light and there was the first evening and morning. The text does not say that the entire creation occurred in six days.

Depends of what you think...? the word is not "dark", but "formless" and "void"...? and it depends on what you think those words are or mean...? can mean empty or non-existent, etc...? and "water" or "waters", it also depends on what you think that or those mean as well...? it can go as far as it meaning separating two or more "different environments" from one another maybe possibly, etc...

You have to take into account that the "vocabulary" God was using was to or towards a very primitive people, with very limited ideas and concepts of things also...

And you have to take these things into account in the entire creation account, etc...

Then there are the "Hebrew words and language", for that see here:

These are three posts of mine in another thread about that, right in a row, posts#69, 70, and 71...

Millennials Turn Away From Creationism

Millennials Turn Away From Creationism

Millennials Turn Away From Creationism

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I believe evolution is not random, or is just the result of creatures or species or life just simply "adapting", and/or combined with just the survival or the fittest, etc, but is by design and is a program written, directed/manipulated by, and created by God...

DNA seems to suggest that a bit...

An intelligent design, or an intelligent program, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

How like with a computer, we write "programs" on chips or now microscopic memory chips, etc, that are mechanical in nature, but what if we could write them on different material or things even smaller, like atoms or quantum particles, or with biology or biological material...?

What if God or the gods already did...?

God Bless!

 

[coffee4u]

The earth definitely exists before the first day occurs.

There is no proof of that so you can't state it as a fact, unless you have some other scripture to back it up? Possibilities aren't facts, they are only that, possibilities and speculation.