Chick-fil-A funded anti-Christian org that inspired shooter to target Family Research Council

[civilwarbuff]

Well...except when He changes of course.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

Tulc, as a Christian you should know and understand that God is unchanging. That is a basic tenet of Christianity.

 

[The Liturgist]

View attachment 267538 . Up until the 16th century people believed that the sky was a hard dome over the earth . Some believed the earth was flat . This is from Wikipedia’s article on the firmament .

You are falling into the trap of Antiochene literal-historical criticism. Firstly, the Scriptures nowhere say the Earth is flat, unlike an Islamic Hadith in which Muhammed claimed the vanishing of ships on the horizon was an optical illusion.

Secondly, the firmament is scripturally undefined. It doesn’t really matter what the ancients thought it was; it is rather clearly an allegory for the atmosphere, which contains a great deal of water (hence clouds, rain, and the blue color) and the protection the atmosphere provides, together with the geomagnetosphere, against the vacuum of space, cosmic rays, meteorites, and its life-critical function of circulating the hear from the sun). It is also difficult to enter space. So the word Firmament I think is a great way to refer to the stratosphere and ionosphere. Particularly the point where re-entering spacecraft experience “atmospheric interface.”

 

[The Liturgist]

But they aren’t legal. And they aren’t condoned either.

Actually there are despotic regimes in failed states where you will find legal slavery. Slavery is also a major compomemt of the Daesh/Islamic State theocratic system.

 

[The Liturgist]

Tulc, as a Christian you should know and understand that God is unchanging. That is a basic tenet of Christianity.

Indeed so. “God is the same yesterday, today and tomorroe.”

 

[The Liturgist]

I live in the “heartland” of Whataburger. Great burgers. Each burger made to order fresh. Both Whataburger and Chick fil A here give to youth sports programs.



I agree with your concerns but see the SA as an important ministry in each community to shelter, care and feed those in need. They also demand a background from their workers in job training and placement.

Lucky you. I am travelling into the Whataburger region in Texas soon to visit a Russian Orthodox friend of mine, on my way to the East Coast to meet with my mentor, and a partner in my liturgical group, before travelling to Boston to visit apark Street Church.

 

[anynmskr]

Maybe atheists don',t commit crime, Because in America it is heavily frowned upon, And we still have a legal justice system, Which is mostly, Just, At least most of the time.


If we took away the legal justice system,

And it was not as just,

As it sometimes, Is not, In other parts of the world,

Who would be the first to commit a serious crime ?


I do not know the answer, Myself.

 

[anynmskr]

They have, Russian Orthodox churches,

In Txas Texas...... ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? *curious face emoji*

Lucky you. I am travelling into the Whataburger region in Texas soon to visit a Russian Orthodox friend of mine, on my way to the East Coast to meet with my mentor, and a partner in my liturgical group, before travelling to Boston to visit apark Street Church.[/QUOT

Lucky you. I am travelling into the Whataburger region in Texas soon to visit a Russian Orthodox friend of mine, on my way to the East Coast to meet with my mentor, and a partner in my liturgical group, before travelling to Boston to visit apark Street Church.

 

[The Liturgist]

They have, Russian Orthodox churches,

In Txas Texas...... ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? *curious happy face emoji*

Yes. Also Greeks, Romanians, Ukrainians, Georgians (the country, not the state), Armenians, Ethiopians, Copts (Egyptian Christians), Cypriots, Bulgarians, Serbians, Carpatho-Rusyns or Ruthenians (a Slavic people in central Europe), Antiochians (Arabic speaking Orthodox from Syria and Lebanon), Syriacs and Assyrians (from Syria, Iraq and surrounding countries, Iran in the case of Assyrians and Turkey, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine in the case of Syriacs), and lots of American converts.

The largest Orthodox churches in the world are those of Russia, with 120-200 million, Ethiopia, with 40 million, Romania, with 30 million, and Ukraine, with 18-20 million.

The smallest is the Orthodox Church of Sinai, which encompasses only one isolated monastery.

 

[The Liturgist]

Words without actions are just words.....

The British call people who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk “All mouth and trousers.”

 

[Brightmoon]

What’s a two spirit person and where can I find such in Apostolic teachings?

so you abuse peoples if you think the Bible allows it ?good to know.this is one of the reasons there’s so many atheists

 

[Athanasius377]

I agree with your concerns but see the SA as an important ministry in each community to shelter, care and feed those in need. They also demand a background from their workers in job training and placement.

Good points on the Savation Army. Most folks don’t realize they are a church. I agree they provide an important ministry even if I think they are in error on the sacraments. In my experience they tend to dance dangerously close to the line of confusing Law and Gospel. A girlfriend of mine in college was heavily influenced by the SA and their emphasis on works to the point she was in despair. I’m not saying that was their official doctrine but it had the effect of being or very close to works based. Especially since they neglect two of the most important gifts God has given the church. Just my two cents.

 

[renniks]

I
I don’t consider the Bible to be inerrant
. In science a theory is roughly a bunch of related facts . By the time something gets to the level of a theory , it means that we’ve got a lot of facts supporting it. So I accept confirmed scientific theories with facts and evidence over religious based stories any day.

So you don't believe in Christ's death and the resurrection?

 

[anynmskr]

Well, I don',t, Exactly, Know,

What atheists stand for, Or why they are atheists,

But, i do sort of equate them, With another denomination, That i know prides themselves upon not being ignorant,

Or not being, smart. It would be really, Not smart, For an atheist, Or someone who is opposed to Amwrican culture, To just go out and commit a blatantly obvious, Crime. However...

It would be incredibly ,

Smart,

And a huge "upset", If people tried to take down America from the inside,

And re-write, History,

And re-write, What the founding fathers,

And what Thomas Jefferson signed in to law,

And the way they structured ,

This land.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

My church accepts mainstream science including the current scientific view on sex and gender .

Science doesn’t care what religious people think as science deals with natural phenomena as is. Science has no way of addressing supernatural phenomena so your point is moot. My church understands that and also understands that scientists work on what the evidence says.

I don’t know about my church but I’m scientifically literate and the Bible is wrong about so much of natural phenomena so I know it’s not inerrant . That’s not a tenet of my church anyway.

What science is this that you are referring to? As far as I am aware, the science that is coming up with theories such as 'gender is a construct' and similar concepts, is typically being produced by university faculty of social sciences. And I think it's now fairly well known that much of the research emanating from the social sciences has failed replication tests. If this is new to you I suggest that you begin with the Wikipedia article on The Replication Crisis.

Our culture is different and what was acceptable in the Bronze Age is not acceptable now. During Roman times a slave who allowed their master to come to harm could be executed . Chattel slavery in the USA didn’t do that unless the slave caused the harm deliberately. So they were different forms of the same abusive institution. Big Whoop!
Authoritiarian overcontrolling behavior that coerces non thinking behavior on the part of the controlled, harms and it doesn’t matter with it’s a slave with a master, a parent with a child or a toxic spouse! Or in this case blindly following the Bible and harming people

When I speak to atheists about Christianity, one of the topics that sometimes comes up is the ability or inability of humans to set their own standards for ethics and morality. I always remind those I talk to that without a moral backstop, and assuming a democracy is in place, if a majority of humans vote for something, then anything you or I can think of can be signed off as lawful and acceptable behaviour. And forms of governance other than democracy would probably not fare any better in this respect. Think of the most abhorrent thing you can, and it is quite possible if the relevant law is passed.

 

[Athanasius377]

so you abuse peoples if you think the Bible allows it ?good to know.this is one of the reasons there’s so many atheists

I’m sorry, where did @redleghunter supported abusing anyone? Just because someone has an errant view of human sexuality doesn’t mean they should be abused nor did @redleghunter ever suggest a thing.

 

[Quartermaine]

What science is this that you are referring to? As far as I am aware, the science that is coming up with theories such as 'gender is a construct' and similar concepts, is typically being produced by university faculty of social sciences. And I think it's now fairly well known that much of the research emanating from the social sciences has failed replication tests. If this is new to you I suggest that you begin with the Wikipedia article on The Replication Crisis.


When I speak to atheists about Christianity, one of the topics that sometimes comes up is the ability or inability of humans to set their own standards for ethics and morality. I always remind those I talk to that without a moral backstop, and assuming a democracy is in place, if a majority of humans vote for something, then anything you or I can think of can be signed off as lawful and acceptable behaviour. And forms of governance other than democracy would probably not fare any better in this respect. Think of the most abhorrent thing you can, and it is quite possible if the relevant law is passed.

the most abhorrent thing i can think of is a country whose ethics and laws are dictated by Christianity

 

[tulc]

Indeed so. “God is the same yesterday, today and tomorroe.”

Except He's not. If He hadn't changed wouldn't President Trump have been stoned to death for repeatedly committing adultery? And wouldn't people who do yard work on Saturday be routinely executed as well? And that's not even those times when it's said right there in the Bible He changed His mind about things. Or when He talks about His regretting doing something.
tulc(knows this thread isn't about this and wont comment more, just thought it needed to be pointed out that God indeed doesn't change...except for when He does)

 

[hedrick]

And I think it's now fairly well known that much of the research emanating from the social sciences has failed replication tests. If this is new to you I suggest that you begin with the Wikipedia article on The Replication Crisis.

Key conclusions about transgenders is not an area that suffers from lack of replication. See e.g. What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know. It is, however, an area that CF prohibits discussion of.

[It is amusing in this context to note that one of my few scholarly publications was a replication of a result in economics.]

 

[civilwarbuff]

Except He's not. If He hadn't changed wouldn't President Trump have been stoned to death for repeatedly committing adultery? And wouldn't people who do yard work on Saturday be routinely executed as well? And that's not even those times when it's said right there in the Bible He changed His mind about things. Or when He talks about His regretting doing something.
tulc(knows this thread isn't about this and wont comment more, just thought it needed to be pointed out that God indeed doesn't change...except for when He does)

Please tulc don't say you don't understand the Covenant of the Law and the Covenant of Grace? I mean that's like Christianity 001......

 

[civilwarbuff]

the most abhorrent thing i can think of is a country whose ethics and laws are dictated by Christianity

Do you despise your non-denom beliefs that much? If so, why remain a Christian? I mean, I could understand your comment if you claimed to be pagan but what can you possible object to coming from Jesus?