Do God protect His chosen from rape?

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God gives those who follow him the good sense to stay out of situation where rape could occur. So, at least for the most part we are armed.

Thing is, most are born with that good sense, I just think the Christian is more apt to stay away from the situations. And I said, more apt, as there are many a careful Atheist as wall.

As far as intervening if the need should arise, it's possible.
 
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Dont forget the next verse:

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
Yes, shall never die... "spiritually"...1Corinthians 6:17..But whoever is United with the Lord is One with Him in the Spirit...
 
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You and I tend to disagree on several topics but I think that you just hit this out of the park...... I totally agree with you on this.

There are worldly women who are protected by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.... (perhaps due to prayers for them by a parent or grandparent or friend)......... There are women who have the Holy Spirit who are not protected for many reasons. One of which could be that they are Christians in an Islamic nation and they know what risks they are taking if they witness for Messiah........ but they take those risks..... knowing that they could be betrayed....... arrested....... raped...... and far worse.
"Christian women, men and children" IN THE UNITED STATES, are NOT protected. Almost nothin is as it seems.
 
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Hello, but Noah still died physically but not spiritually. Noah's faith enabled him to live...John 11:25...Jesus said to her, " I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die,
Yahweh did not Plan nor Purpose for Noah to die in the flood, but rather to save Noah and the 7 with him as it happened, as it is written in Yahuweh's Word, unchanged and unchangeable.
 
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I know wordly women is not protected from rape.
But do God protect His chosen from rape?
God does not authorize any rape. The rapist might seek healing and blessings from God, but would not find it without repentance. The Good Lord gives and the Good Lord takes away. What profits a man, if he gains the world, but loses his soul?

Matthew 5
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
 
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First & foremost, I would like us all to take a moment to pray for victims & perpetrators of rape; we all need God's grace to pull from evil actions & desires.





Maria Goretti comes to mind; she was nearly raped before being murdered. This doesn't give a direct answer to your question, because she wasn't actually raped, but being murdered is far worse. Rape is survivable, and people can (and often do) come out stronger in the end; murder ends everything for a person.

The question isn't, "Will God keep me from harm?", because a look at the central image of Christianity (the Crucifix) reminds us that there is some sort of purpose to suffering, and the Cross, the Book of Job, the Book of Judith, and other places remind us that suffering isn't necessarily the result of sin, but can be something to strengthen us & bring out the best in us.

Consider this piece of the story of St. Maria Goretti (from Who is St. Maria? | Pilgrimage of Mercy):

"Finally, after many months of this, Alessandro forced himself upon Maria in an attempt to rape her. Though she prevented him from violating her, Alessandro brutally stabbed her numerous times. Maria died the next day in the midst of horrendous infection brought on by her lacerations. Her last words were, “I forgive Alessandro Serenelli … and I want him with me in heaven forever.”


During his prison sentence Maria appeared to Alessandro and forgave him. That act of mercy and forgiveness—that act of love—filled Alessandro with contrition for his crime. It was also a turning point for him where grace entered his heart. From that point on, he lived a beautiful and converted life of holiness, eventually becoming a Franciscan lay brother."

Maria's appearance to her murderer Alessandro was in a dream, while he was imprisoned:

Alessandro remained unrepentant for his actions until he had a dream that he was in a garden. Maria was there and gave him lilies, which immediately burned in his hands. When he woke, he was a changed man. He repented his crime and living a reformed life. When he was released 27-years-later, he went directly to Maria's mother and begged her forgiveness, which she gave, saying, "If my daughter can forgive him, who am I to withhold forgiveness?" (St. Maria Goretti - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online)

I would also like to include the letter from Alessandro at the end of his life; consider how all of this ties in with the Christian mystery of redemption. This evil was allowed to happen to Maria, but through her faithfulness to God, greater good came out of it. This is why the Crucifix is so important in Christianity; we must always remember that God will bring greatness out of every suffering, if only we give him the chance.

Alessandro's letter is as follows:

"I'm nearly 80 years old. I'm about to depart.

"Looking back at my past, I can see that in my early youth, I chose a bad path which led me to ruin myself.


"My behavior was influenced by print, mass-media and bad examples which are followed by the majority of young people without even thinking. And I did the same. I was not worried.


"There were a lot of generous and devoted people who surrounded me, but I paid no attention to them because a violent force blinded me and pushed me toward a wrong way of life.


"When I was 20 years-old, I committed a crime of passion. Now, that memory represents something horrible for me. Maria Goretti, now a Saint, was my good Angel, sent to me through Providence to guide and save me. I still have impressed upon my heart her words of rebuke and of pardon. She prayed for me, she interceded for her murderer. Thirty years of prison followed.


"If I had been of age, I would have spent all my life in prison. I accepted to be condemned because it was my own fault.


"Little Maria was really my light, my protectress; with her help, I behaved well during the 27 years of prison and tried to live honestly when I was again accepted among the members of society. The Brothers of St. Francis, Capuchins from Marche, welcomed me with angelic charity into their monastery as a brother, not as a servant. I've been living with their community for 24 years, and now I am serenely waiting to witness the vision of God, to hug my loved ones again, and to be next to my Guardian Angel and her dear mother, Assunta.


"I hope this letter that I wrote can teach others the happy lesson of avoiding evil and of always following the right path, like little children. I feel that religion with its precepts is not something we can live without, but rather it is the real comfort, the real strength in life and the only safe way in every circumstance, even the most painful ones of life."


Signature, Alessandro Serenelli

Maria Goretti.jpg
 
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I do not believe that God ever intervenes in the world in any physical way. His effect on us is at the spiritual level.
God does and has and will continue to intervene in the physical world in many ways. Healing, casting out devils, miracles, etc are all evidences of God intervening
 
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Disagree. Based on many testimonies by people I would be inclined to believe. Angels are real.
Well now, based on what the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE and THE GIVER OF ALL LIFE Says,
and based on what JESUS SAYS,
Angels are real. They were created by Yahuweh, and serve and ministers to His People.... DAILY ! (and maybe eternally in the life to come!)
 
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Disagree. Based on many testimonies by people I would be inclined to believe. Angels are real.
Well now, based on what the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE and THE GIVER OF ALL LIFE Says,
and based on what JESUS SAYS,
Angels are real. They were created by Yahuweh, and serve and ministers to His People.... DAILY ! (and maybe eternally in the life to come!)


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I do not believe that God ever intervenes in the world in any physical way. His effect on us is at the spiritual level.

Then how would you explain Balaam's donkey talking and telling his owner why he wasn't going forward? And Saul being struck blind on the Emmaus Road while on the way to persecute Christians? And the angel of the Lord speaking to Abraham and telling him not to sacrifice his son at the last minute? Not to mention all the modern-day instances where God has directly and personally intervened to protect His people in miraculous ways. God is spirit, and He definitely has a spiritual effect on the world, but He is also very much aware of and involved in every physical event that happens on earth, whether He allows things to happen or He intervenes to thwart them.
 
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Then how would you explain Balaam's donkey talking and telling his owner why he wasn't going forward? And Saul being struck blind on the Emmaus Road while on the way to persecute Christians? And the angel of the Lord speaking to Abraham and telling him not to sacrifice his son at the last minute? Not to mention all the modern-day instances where God has directly and personally intervened to protect His people in miraculous ways. God is spirit, and He definitely has a spiritual effect on the world, but He is also very much aware of and involved in every physical event that happens on earth, whether He allows things to happen or He intervenes to thwart them.
Yes WONDERFUL true examples.

ANd also, WHAT is written, about WHO sends the rain and the sunshine (on the wicked as well as on the righteous), AND
WHO sends the lightning, the wind, the snow ??

WHO set the boundaries all the time for the oceans ? the rivers? the politicians ? The Kings?
GOD DID/DOES.... ! HALLELUYAH !
 
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Seems as though our list of things God cant or wont do, grows by the day.

Is it your contention that everyone who is raped is, therefore, not of God?

I predict you will not have the courage to give a flat-out, straight-up, answer.
 
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God gives those who follow him the good sense to stay out of situation where rape could occur. So, at least for the most part we are armed.

Thing is, most are born with that good sense, I just think the Christian is more apt to stay away from the situations. And I said, more apt, as there are many a careful Atheist as wall.

As far as intervening if the need should arise, it's possible.

I'm a counselor and I work with women who have been abused, many of them raped. Are you seriously suggesting that the crimes against them were somehow their fault for being there in the first place?

What should I say to the 13yo girl with autism who was dragged to the bushes behind her school and raped while a group of other boys hung around and made sure she and her rapist were hidden from view? She has made a profession of faith and faithfully attends church with her family every week.

And what about the little girl who was trafficked by her own father for a pre-arranged sum to an evil man who beat, abused, and took her innocence against her will? What did a six year old girl do to get herself into a situation like that?

How about the missionary's wife in Sierra Leone who watched her children murdered in a home invasion and then was raped repeatedly to the point that she needed surgery to save her life? What did she do to bring such a thing upon herself?

Not one of those situations could have been avoided by the victim being more careful about where she was and who she was with.
 
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Is it your contention that everyone who is raped is, therefore, not of God?

I predict you will not have the courage to give a flat-out, straight-up, answer.
It is my contention to not try and reason with the unreasonable. It would profit me nothing. When you have proven that you can reason with anyone, I may try again. Until then, please find someone else to argue with.
 
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I'm a counselor and I work with women who have been abused, many of them raped. Are you seriously suggesting that the crimes against them were somehow their fault for being there in the first place?

What should I say to the 13yo girl with autism who was dragged to the bushes behind her school and raped while a group of other boys hung around and made sure she and her rapist were hidden from view? She has made a profession of faith and faithfully attends church with her family every week.

And what about the little girl who was trafficked by her own father for a pre-arranged sum to an evil man who beat, abused, and took her innocence against her will? What did a six year old girl do to get herself into a situation like that?

How about the missionary's wife in Sierra Leone who watched her children murdered in a home invasion and then was raped repeatedly to the point that she needed surgery to save her life? What did she do to bring such a thing upon herself?

Not one of those situations could have been avoided by the victim being more careful about where she was and who she was with.
I saw nothing of these accusations in the post you responded to. You are being guided by emotions and not logic and understanding.
 
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Rape is an emotional trigger for many which clouds judgement and scrambles words they read. If you desire scriptural answers on the subject, void of emotional outbursts, Why not use a different term? Say, "Does God protect His chosen from getting beaten up," for instances?

What value is there in using Rape as an example, when the main question is whether or not God protects His people Period?
 
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The Bible instructs women to scream if they are being raped, and says that they did not sin by being raped. It doesn't say this verse only applies to unbelievers because all the believing women already know how to avoid the areas where a rape might occur. It assumes that a rape can happen to any woman, irregardless of her spiritual state, and it says that she is not to be counted guilty.

New American Standard Bible
"If in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death."
 
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Yes, shall never die... "spiritually"...1Corinthians 6:17..But whoever is United with the Lord is One with Him in the Spirit...
I think it wise to not add to scripture. It said "Shall never die. Period!" Your addition would only makes sense if you can die spiritually....maybe annihilation...maybe by dying once spiritually and then being raised again spiritually?

But fret not....for you do not have to "Never die" Which is why it concludes with "Belivest thou this?" This is only for those who believe....If you dont....then you will Die Physically, and you will be right.
 
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