You're attempting to reason from within your own reason, in your reply above.
As a result, you missed the opportunity to stick to, reason from, and point out things like the following:
The land promise continued is obvious in Acts 3, which is sister to what the Lord said about what He'd been referring to regarding His wheat and tares parable in Matthew 13.
You'll note that poster ignorantly quoted Acts 3 out of its full context, resulting in his own rather than in Acts 3's context and meaning.
Likewise his quote of Acts 13 out of its context, which actually represents the Dispensational change that began after Israel's continued rejection of the Spirit's offer of a pardon...
The NATION Israel is being addressed prior to the end of Acts 7.
Seriously, you are wasting your time with these people - God's faithfulness is not in question.
By, the way, CE, I hold a Mid-Acts Dispensational view (Body began in Acts 9:6; c.f. Rom. 9:22; 1 Tim. 1:16).
As 2 Tim. 2:15-18's obvious reference to a timeline then makes even further obvious - things that differ in Scripture are not the same.
And you are attempting to reason with people who hold to a one-size fits all, hodge podge of Scripture.
Good luck with that...
Rom. 5:6-8 - in each our stead.
Thank you for your input. I looked up the passages you cited and will be sure to make use of the passages you said I should have used when an opportunity presents itself where those passages are best helpful.
As for when the scripture says the Church was actually established, I have reasons from the scripture for believing that it was officially established by Christ on the day He ascended into Heaven or even on the day of Pentecost. But I am not going to debate that here because it is not related to the topic of this thread, but if you are interested in why I believe the body of Christ was officially established before the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, I am more than happy to discuss that in another setting. Just click on "Contender's Edge" and hit the "start a conversation" option if you wish.
Eventually, as with any other thread, this one will eventually reach its conclusion. Some participants will resign to agreeing to disagree, to which I will agree, and then there will be some who will throw a fit and storm off this thread in a rage.
But there are participants besides myself that are not going to depart and end their part in this discussion that easily.
One participant is a writer in Bible prophecy studies. If he just walks out, that is going to make him look weak in the eyes of his followers, his detractors will view that as a loss in the debate on his part, and such a decision could come back to haunt him in the long run as far as his credibility is concerned in other venues where his name is present. So he is going to have figure out how he can conclude his role in this thread with as much class honor as he can.
The founder of this thread obviously cannot be expected to just walk out either. If he did that, it would make it appear as though he had been defeated on his own turf and even if he did not think of himself as having lost the debate, any non-participating viewers of this thread might think otherwise.
If I had started a thread, which I have not done yet, I couldn't just abandon it anytime someone challenges a viewpoint to which I hold because I know that would damage my credibility and reputation in any other thread or blog I post on this forum and people are not going to be as inclined to read or listen to anything someone, who appears to have been soundly defeated in a debate on their own thread, has to say elsewhere as they will someone who stands firm and goes the complete distance; to whatever conclusion it leads.
I cannot just simply abandon this thread either because I do plan to begin to start a series of blogposts on this forum myself if God wills and I happen to have recently published an external blogsite myself with its name present on another social media platform as well and which will have a presence in other venues as well if the Lord wills.
Granted that my blogsite has not yet received much attention; it has only been active for two months and is the work of an amateur, but if the Lord decides to bring attention to it, what I say and how I conduct myself here and now, could come have consequences for the reputation of my blogsite in the future especially if becomes elevated to a full-fledged ministry; not that I am going so far as to give it that label until other people begin to recognize it as such.
We are being watched and followed by non-participating viewers who are going to judge each participant by their conduct and how well each person is able to present their case for where they stand on the topic of this thread and any other thread where they are present.
There are people on both sides of any debate who will not change their minds, but there are people who are more fair-minded and weighing the facts of all sides presented and who will ultimately side with where they feel the evidence best points. And they will be judging each participant by how they conclude their role in this thread and by the eventual conclusion of this thread.
While I do not question whether any participant has confidence in the faithfulness of God, any doctrine that is embraced and propagated can and does have serious ramifications for how the character of God is viewed, how much trust is placed in the authority of scripture regarding everything it says, and ultimately, faith in the Gospel.
For the Preterist, Israel is just a strip of land on the coast of the Mediterranean sea with presently little significance, but for the Pre-millennial, it is much more in that the integrity of God is tied to fulfilling all that He has said that He is going to do concerning the land and the people He gave it to.
But to say that the Church has replaced Israel as a nation and that God has cast off the Jewish people is to accuse Him of not being faithful in fulfilling His promises when He has declared and showed Himself faithful (Heb. 10:26) and that He is given to change when He has said otherwise (Mal. 3:6, Heb. 13:8)
If God is faithful in keeping promises made to one group of people, we can trust that He will do the same for the rest of us. But if He does not fulfill all that He has said in regards to one group of people, what does that mean for the rest of us?
