Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

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That is not a mistake because the distinction between Judah and the Northern Kingdom disappeared from scripture starting with the book of Ezra and from that day forth, all Israelites became known as Jews in fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:16-19.
Thinking that Ezekiel 37 is fulfilled is total error:
Verse 23; They still have idols
V24 David [or Jesus] is not yet King over them.
V25 They live in only a small part of the holy Land, threatened by enemies on all sides.
V26 They have no Everlasting Covenant with God for their peace and security.
V27 God is not their God and they are not His people.
V28 God's sanctuary in not in their midst forever.

We have argued this issue of the ten Northern tribes rejoining before. There is no way they have yet, you just insist they have because your entire belief system would be messed up with the House of Israel becoming Christians, still to receive Gods Promises.
Jesus came to save the House of Israel and His Apostles did the job. WE Christians are the result.
The Jewish State of Israel is nothing more that a mixed ethnicity group, who like all the other nations, totally fail to acknowledge God in their existence.
 
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How long are you going to hold to a doctrine that makes God, who is faithful, unchanging, and cannot lie, out to be a God who is not faithful in keeping all of His promises, who is subject to change, and who lies?


Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

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The Jews can only be of one racial origin. Not several. They descended from only one bloodline, not many

Every individual today whose DNA test shows Jewish ancestry also shows multiple other ancestries.

Had Jesus taken a DNA test, the result would have been the same, as there were Gentiles in His lineage.

That has been true from the ancient moment that a descendant of Abraham married into a different bloodline.

There is no "only one bloodline". The only way that could have occurred would have been for every one of Abraham's offspring to intermarry exclusively and incestuously with their siblings. The result would have been rapid mutational degeneration and extinction within short order.

The claim of Jewish racial purity is no different from Hitler's claim of Aryan racial purity.

Any and all such claims are racist, antiScriptural, and antiChristian.
 
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.....and from that day forth, all Israelites became known as Jews in fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:16-19.
No. They're now Christians after the Cross. When a Jew, Muslim or anyone else comes to Christ, they become of the Religion of Christianity.

It may alienate them and suffer persecutions from their own families, as it did for the 1st centuries Jews coming to Christ................

Luk 12:51
“Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.
Luk 12:52

“For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three.
Luk 12:53
“Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”


Acts 11:26

and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

1Pe 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.]


Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile,
neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11
Here there is no Gentile or Jew
, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
Rom 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—
the same Lord is Lord of all a
nd richly blesses all who call on him,
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Replacement Theology, supersessionism: Christians are God's Jews. The church is true Israel.


F. Circumcision of the heart through water baptism replaces circumcision in the flesh: Col 2:11-12

1. Passages:
a. "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. " (Colossians 2:11-12)

b. "Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, " (Philippians 3:2-3)

c. "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. " (Galatians 6:15-16)

2. Notice that circumcision was the sign of the covenant in the Old Testament of when a baby came into "covenant relationship" with God on the 8th or 33rd day.

3. Notice the in the New Testament, circumcision is only done to adult consenting believers, not infants. This change found in the New covenant, was prophesied in Jer 31:31-34 and applied in Hebrews 8:11

a. "and they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen, and everyone his brother, saying, 'know the Lord,' for all will know me, from the least to the greatest of them. " (Hebrews 8:11)

b. Notice that the Old Testament was where a baby was in covenant relationship first, then had to be taught to know the lord as he grew up second.

c. However Jer 31:31 said that unlike the Old Testament, under the New Covenant a person was first taught to know the Lord, then if he chose to be a Christian, he would then second, get water baptized.

d. Unlike the fleshly Israel who had a large population of children who grew up and never knew the Lord, but were supposed to be God's people, in the New Testament, every single Christian "knows the Lord" and makes the confession of faith.

4. Any unbaptized Jew today (or any person for that matter) is not circumcised in the heart and is therefore lost just like the Gentiles.

5. National Israel today actually rejects Jesus Christ and their only hope is to be saved the same way any other Gentile can be saved: faith, repentance, confessing Christ, and water baptism: Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts22:16; 1 Pe 3:21.

a. ""He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. " (Mark 16:16)

b. "Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. " (Acts 2:38)

c. "'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' " (Acts 22:16)

d. "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, " (1 Peter 3:21)

6. Israel as a physical nation circumcised in the flesh, has been replaced by the church as a spiritual nation circumcised in the heart.

7. This is exactly what you find in Gal 6:15-16. The "Israel of God" is the church who walk by faith in Christ regardless of any physical connection to nationhood.

8. Christians are the true circumcision. Being a National circumcised Jew is called the "false circumcision". How could it be any clearer?

G. National Identities are destroyed in Christ:

1. Passages:

a. "For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. " (Ephesians 2:14-16)

b. "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. " (Galatians 3:26-29)

2. Notice that in fulfilling Isa 2:2-4, Christ brought about peace between all the nations that were at war.

3. When a Jew becomes a Christian, he ceases to be a Jew and becomes a new creature.

4. In Christ there are no national competing identities like there were under the Old Testament.


5. National Jews have no advantage over Americans, Canadians, Egyptians or Iranians.

6. Today Christians are God's "chosen race" and they can be from any nation on earth.
 
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Thinking that Ezekiel 37 is fulfilled is total error:
Verse 23; They still have idols
V24 David [or Jesus] is not yet King over them.
V25 They live in only a small part of the holy Land, threatened by enemies on all sides.
V26 They have no Everlasting Covenant with God for their peace and security.
V27 God is not their God and they are not His people.
V28 God's sanctuary in not in their midst forever.

We have argued this issue of the ten Northern tribes rejoining before. There is no way they have yet, you just insist they have because your entire belief system would be messed up with the House of Israel becoming Christians, still to receive Gods Promises.
Jesus came to save the House of Israel and His Apostles did the job. WE Christians are the result.
The Jewish State of Israel is nothing more that a mixed ethnicity group, who like all the other nations, totally fail to acknowledge God in their existence.


You err in accusing me of claiming that Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled in its entirety. The reunifying of the people and their re-establishment in their homeland as a sovereign nation is what has been fulfilled. What is to take place next is their reconciliation with God.
 
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Every individual today whose DNA test shows Jewish ancestry also shows multiple other ancestries.

Had Jesus taken a DNA test, the result would have been the same, as there were Gentiles in His lineage.

That has been true from the ancient moment that a descendant of Abraham married into a different bloodline.

There is no "only one bloodline". The only way that could have occurred would have been for every one of Abraham's offspring to intermarry exclusively and incestuously with their siblings. The result would have been rapid mutational degeneration and extinction within short order.

The claim of Jewish racial purity is no different from Hitler's claim of Aryan racial purity.

Any and all such claims are racist, antiScriptural, and antiChristian.


Only two Gentiles are listed in the genealogical record of Jesus and they are Rahab and Ruth. The rest of the names listed are Jewish. And if Jesus had taken a DNA test, it would have shown him to be predominantly Jewish as His genealogical record reflects. It would not have shown Him descended from a multitude of different nations. His genealogical record certainly does not.

As for the formation of the Jewish bloodline, it did not become firmly established until the twelve tribes were formed which took several generations and while there is little information about how the bloodline was formed, apart from it being formed from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, when it was fully formed, it became distinct from other lineages and in spite of any degree of intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles, DNA tests reveal that it still has maintained a distinctness from other bloodlines that has not been lost to intermarriage, thus testifying that God has kept Israel preserved just as He said that He would.

There is nothing racist about a God who is faithful in keeping a set of promises made to a certain group of people and fulfilling all that He has said concerning them because if He is faithful in keeping His Word concerning the people of Israel, we can be all the more confident that He will do the same for His Church consisting of both Jew and Gentile.
 
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No. They're now Christians after the Cross. When a Jew, Muslim or anyone else comes to Christ, they become of the Religion of Christianity.

It may alienate them and suffer persecutions from their own families, as it did for the 1st centuries Jews coming to Christ................


I am not really sure what this has to do with my statement about their reunification and they are not all Christians after the cross. The greater part of them still remain in unbelief, but that will one day change.
 
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Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

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And Israel is destined to be a part of that better country when they finally call upon the Messiah, just as the rest of us who have called on His name will also be a part of that better country which will be made fully manifest when the New Heavens and the New earth are created and the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven, practically joining Heaven above to the earth below.
 
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Only two Gentiles are listed in the genealogical record of Jesus and they are Rahab and Ruth. The rest of the names listed are Jewish. And if Jesus had taken a DNA test, it would have shown him to be predominantly Jewish as His genealogical record reflects. It would not have shown Him descended from a multitude of different nations. His genealogical record certainly does not.

As for the formation of the Jewish bloodline, it did not become firmly established until the twelve tribes were formed which took several generations and while there is little information about how the bloodline was formed, apart from it being formed from the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, when it was fully formed, it became distinct from other lineages and in spite of any degree of intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles, DNA tests reveal that it still has maintained a distinctness from other bloodlines that has not been lost to intermarriage, thus testifying that God has kept Israel preserved just as He said that He would.

There is nothing racist about a God who is faithful in keeping a set of promises made to a certain group of people and fulfilling all that He has said concerning them because if He is faithful in keeping His Word concerning the people of Israel, we can be all the more confident that He will do the same for His Church consisting of both Jew and Gentile.

Abrahamic genetic divergence and diffusion began with Isaac's marriage to Rebecca, who was not an Abrahamic descendant. Their son Jacob inherited Rebecca's non-Abrahamic genetic information, and genetic information of her non-Abrahamic ancestors. Jacob sired the twelve sons of Israel's twelve tribes by four women, wives Leah and Rachel, and handmaidens Bilhah and Zilpah. None of the four women was an Abrahamic descendant, and Israel's twelve sons inherited their non-Abrahamic genetic information, and that of their non-Abrahamic ancestors.

Israel's pervasive genetic diversity was already fully and unmistakably established from its beginnings.

That diversity multiplied with every new generation, of which there were some one hundred (assuming an average biblical generational duration of forty years) to the time of Jesus' birth.

Jesus' DNA test would have reflected that diversity, as does every DNA test today.

There is no more of a “distinctness” to a Jewish bloodline than there is to any other bloodline.

That is dispensationalism's racialized myth, and one essential to its continued survival.
 
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You err in accusing me of claiming that Ezekiel 37 was fulfilled in its entirety. The reunifying of the people and their re-establishment in their homeland as a sovereign nation is what has been fulfilled. What is to take place next is their reconciliation with God.
As Ezekiel 37:14 says; when the two Houses are rejoined, THEN God will put His Spirit into them and they will know He is God. Not 71 years and still counting, later.

Your rebuttals are getting the tone of desperation, as your false belief of a general Jewish redemption is just not Biblical. Will God redeem a people who have rejected His Son for 2000 years? This idea contradicts much Bible teaching, incl the Words of Jesus: Matthew 8:12
 
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