Who thinks Trump's claim to be the chosen one was sacrilegious

[Hank77]

Just a tongue in cheek comment I wouldn't take it seriously.

You mean he is laughing at people who believe that he is chosen by God like King Cyrus was? It's a joke to him?

 

[JacksBratt]

...uhmmm...pretty much every time someone criticizes "the chosen one" one or more of his supporters eventually accuses the people doing the criticizing of "You're just upset that he won the election!" to me it looks more like it's his base that can't "get over it" not the other way around.
tulc(just a thought)

I think it was a surprise to many.... but... it's the first time I have seen an opposing party whine about it for so long... Not only that but they are so hypocritical.... as if they were so squeaky clean.... PAH lease. Hillary is a felon and she was the reason that they lost... combined with the fact that eveyone knows that all political parties say what they think you want to hear and are going to lie to win... All political parties are owned by their supporters..... Trump was not a politician... had no filter on his mouth... you knew what he thought... he said.....

People are sick of "politics" It's a losing situation.

 

[JacksBratt]

You mean he is laughing at people who believe that he is chosen by God like King Cyrus was? It's a joke to him?

Yes, much of what he says is a joke... he sits back and laughs at the feeding frenzy over the comments of the media over things that he says.

I have seen examples of him making a comment, predicting what the media will do with it, and being 100% correct and laughing at their predictable knee jerk reactions.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you ready to treat all the Congress with that same respect for authority that you give the Executive, each of them being chosen by God?
How about all the Supreme Court justices?

Each in their specific capacities. Even law enforcement officers (acting in good faith) are so commissioned in that chapter.

Every human has flaws. I believe that when God chooses a leader, He not only chooses them for their strengths, but for how he can make use of their particular set of flaws, to His advantage.

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 NKJV

 

[Halbhh]

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Romans 13:1 NKJV

We all know that in scripture at times we see the governing authorities were directly opposed by prophets of God, governing authorities were disobeyed by the apostles, who preached in spite of it becoming illegal for them to do so. Probably we all agree, already, that man's laws cannot overrule God's laws, so let's dig down to precisely what is meant by this:

1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

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Verse 6 helps some doesn't it?

So...one key thing Paul (and Peter) address: paying taxes. We know Christ said to also, to render to Caesar the taxes Caesar imposed on the conquered Israel.

Pay taxes to the nation that conquered yours.

Of course the Jews would rather not have!

But Christ's answer is very clear, and Paul affirms it again -- should taxes be paid to the Roman conquerors. Answer: yes.

This isn't a small thing.

If China invaded and conquered the U.S., and then imposed taxes on U.S. citizens as a kind of tribute for China, then you yourself should pay those taxes to the Chinese conquerors.

As a Christian, you'd personally be obligated to pay the taxes imposed (unfairly or not) by China, against Americans.

It's very clear, no matter what you'd prefer.

And, it's not only taxes.

Though it makes us uncomfortable, it's also that we are not to do armed rebellion -- the Christians were not to participate in the armed rebellion which was coming!! -- Jews would rebel, and fight against Rome, and Rome would then crush them in 70A.D.

Christians though were not to fight in the rebellion.

No matter how just it might seem to man's wisdom to fight against Rome, they were not to fight against Rome.

That's not really a comfortable message for American Christians, who might be proud of our own nation's actual armed rebellion against Britain.

Canada did not rebel, and...is Canada really worse off as a country for not having rebelled? It seems Canadians have freedoms, just like us, but they didn't have to rebel. They gained freedoms without rebelling.

But nowhere could Romans 13 be taken to mean that we cannot advocate one political candidate over another. We are simply to continue to pay taxes, and not do armed rebellion.

We "submit" to the government, but we don't have to break God's laws, nor do we have to call what is wrong a good. We can continue to tell the truth, and not endorse wrongful actions of government, but instead criticize those wrongful actions.

 

[Kalevalatar]

Ok. Well I disagree.

Yes, obviously you do; for Americans, it's all about Democrats vs Republicans and not about common human decency.

If common human decency mattered at all in the ugly American politics, Donald Trump would be let to retire and be with his family and his grandchildren for his last years. I mean, that's why the United States, unlike many other countries, has the vice presidential system, no? Or is Michael Pence, who's more than a decade younger than Trump and in good health and mentally as well, too unacceptable for some reason so that an old demented man has to get up there every single day rain or shine when he would clearly rather be in sunny Florida with family doing his favorite thing, golfing? Seriously, what's wrong with you people -- have you no compassion at all?

 

[Jamsie]

What I am seeing is a lot of rhetoric with no proof.
If people are correct, provide proof.
It’s not that hard.

Interesting, do you read or watch any news? Everything to substantiate the "rhetoric" is common knowledge, in spite of the trumplicans attempt to spin, deflect, rationalize, and obfuscate the facts.

Here is a start - EGO!
"No one has done more for people with disabilities than me."
"Look, I know more about renewables than any human being on earth."
"Nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of
the world".
"I have the best temperament or certainly one of the best
temperaments of anybody that has ever run for president. Ever."
"I'm very highly educated. I know words; I have the best words".
"Nobody reads the Bible more than me."
"No one has more respect for women than me".
"I'm the least racist person you've ever encountered."
"I'm the most successful person to ever run for the presidency, by
far. Nobody's ever been more successful than me."
"I love the first amendment. Nobody loves it more than me."
"Do I look like a president? How
handsome am I, right? How handsome?" Trump asked the crowd.
"Nobody's stronger than me."
"There's nobody bigger or better at the military than I am."
“I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me,”
"Nobody loves the Bible more than I do."
"Nobody's better to people with disabilities than me."
"There's nobody more conservative than me."
"There's nobody that understands the horror of nuclear more that
me."
"Nobody knows more about trade than me."
"Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much
about infrastructure as Donald Trump."
"Nobody builds walls better than me"
"There's nobody who's done so much for equality as I have"
"I alone can fix it"
"It's very hard for them to attack me on looks, because I'm so good-looking"
"They said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl"
"He's not a war hero . . . he was captured. I like people that weren't captured"
"I'm the president, and you're not"
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters" (True!)
"You wouldn't even be hearing about the word immigration if it weren't for Donald Trump"
“Nobody gets as many standing ovations [as I do].”
"All of the women on 'The Apprentice' flirted with me --
consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

Small selection of lies - LIES!
Lied without evidence, as there is none, that 3 to 5 million illegal votes cost him the popular vote.
Lied about the affair with Stormy Daniels and about paying her off.
Lied about working closely with tribes concerning DAPL
Lied that the FBI said Michael Flynn did not lie
Lied directly to the military about raises...claimed first raise in decades, and claimed pushing for 10%.
Lied about Boy Scout leaders calling him to praise his speech
Lied that Obama begged Kim Jung Un for a meeting
Lied about Wisconsin poverty rate, employment, and deficit
Lied about 91 million relief for Puerto Rico
Lied that he didn't try to get someone to fire Mueller
Lied about Open borders bill
Lied about El Paso crime rate after wall
Lied about woman being taped and brought across the border
Lied (or could be ignorance of which there is much more) that FBI is not involved in process to confirm SC justices
Lied about US Steel opening 6 new plants
Lied about crime rate in Germany being way up - lowest in 30 years
Lied about signing more legislation since Truman, actually last
Lied about tax bill hurting him personally - he gained substantially
Lied about where his father was born...that is perplexing as to why

Trump’s Great Lakes Whoppers - FactCheck.org

 

[RDKirk]

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Romans 13:1 NKJV

Christians like saying that now, but they didn't say it so much ten years ago.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes, obviously you do; for Americans, it's all about Democrats vs Republicans and not about common human decency.

If common human decency mattered at all in the ugly American politics, Donald Trump would be let to retire and be with his family and his grandchildren for his last years. I mean, that's why the United States, unlike many other countries, has the vice presidential system, no? Or is Michael Pence, who's more than a decade younger than Trump and in good health and mentally as well, too unacceptable for some reason so that an old demented man has to get up there every single day rain or shine when he would clearly rather be in sunny Florida with family doing his favorite thing, golfing? Seriously, what's wrong with you people -- have you no compassion at all?

It's unAmerican to be compassionate.

 

[Hazelelponi]

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Yes, much of what he says is a joke... he sits back and laughs at the feeding frenzy over the comments of the media over things that he says.

I have seen examples of him making a comment, predicting what the media will do with it, and being 100% correct and laughing at their predictable knee jerk reactions.

You have to admit it's hilarious comedy.. My husband and I laugh a lot. Trump is just plain funny..

the left will never get it I fear. Their "intelligence" is getting in the way..

 

[MournfulWatcher]

You are entitled to feel that way.

To misquote someone and put words into his mouth as we have read on this thread is quite another matter, however.

Ok. But did he or did he not tweet a quote that compared him to the king of Israel?

 

[Halbhh]

Christians like saying that now, but they didn't say it so much ten years ago.

That's true for many no doubt, but really getting the meaning of Romans 13 accurately, the real meaning, isn't a small thing, and it will matter in the future, after this president is gone, also. I was trying to address that just above in post #148, but even writing briefly it still was a long looking post and I wonder how many would read it (unless they truly care about the real meaning of Romans 13)? Is it too long you think, here in the age of twitter?

 

[Sabertooth]

...but they didn't say it so much ten years ago.

I still did, but some people around here always make up flimsy excuses why it doesn't apply to contemporary USA...

(I am ex-military. We weren't required to like the officers in our chain of command, just respect their positions. POTUS was our Commander-in-Chief.)

And we do have recourses here without violating the spirit of our laws.

 

[FenderTL5]

You have to admit it's hilarious comedy..

I don't find Trump's lack of integrity, ethics, his perversions and mocking of Christianity the least bit funny. ymmv

 

[ToBeLoved]

Trump typed it out and distributed it to all of his followers on Twitter.

Yes. He quoted someone else’s statement on his Twitter.

So what?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Ok. But did he or did he not tweet a quote that compared him to the king of Israel?

He has like 98% support in Israel.

Why can’t he quote a Tweet.

Israel worships the same God we do.

 

[FenderTL5]

Yes. He quoted someone else’s statement on his Twitter.

So what?

That, along with his on added comment, is an endorsement of the statement. There would be no reason to repeat it otherwise.

 

[Albion]

Ok. But did he or did he not tweet a quote that compared him to the king of Israel?

You can see for yourself that he thanked Root, a rare conservative TV commentator, for saying nice and supportive things about him.

Political leaders write such 'thank yous' all the time. I have written to the White House before, and if you write about some issue you will most likely get back a thank you note without a direct up or down on whatever policy matter you might have talked up in your note.

 

[Hank77]

And Obama wasn't? Or Clinton.. Or Hillary....or Gore... or Bush? If you look at any position of power... check the person holding it, or trying to achieve it..... good chance that they are narcissistic.

From:
Are All Leaders Narcissists?

Narcissism and leadership have been widely studied, and there is some evidence that narcissists succeed in attaining leadership positions. This makes sense, because they are confident, assertive, and focused on self-interests. They know what they want (to be the leader), they believe they are the best person for the job, and they have no doubt that they should be in charge. There is also a connection between narcissism and charisma.

Narcissism and leadership have been widely studied, and there is some evidence that narcissists succeed in attaining leadership positions.

It's not saying that all people in leadership positions are narcissists.

 

[ToBeLoved]

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Romans 13:1 NKJV

So you support Trump then. Nice