How can satan be already bound without contradicting Revelation 12?

[The Righterzpen]

I've read it. No scripture place the second coming at the GWTJ. It is always found before the thousand years, long before the last day of judgment.

How do you reconcile the verses that speak of the coming of Christ and the final judgement with "the last day"? Martha speaks of Lazarus her brother being raised "on the last day". Jesus doesn't tell her she's wrong about that.

Reason would tell us that there are no other days after "the last day" because if there were, it wouldn't be "the last day".

You also have in the epistles where the rapture coincides with the destruction of the heavens and the earth. How do you reconcile that?

 

[The Righterzpen]

But reading that in context though, I don't come to the same conclusions regarding that particular text that you do. I take it you are perhaps referring to the following.

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

This makes the opposite point I was making. This says they initially knew God, but that they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. This is being applied to some types in particular, thus this is not meaning in general. IOW it's not being applied universally.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

This is whom it is referring to---who hold the truth in unrighteousness. One can't do that unless they first have knowledge of the truth.

And they have knowledge because its witnessed to them in the creation and the law is written on their conscience.

Now, do you believe there is anyone who escapes the judgement of God because of ignorance of the written word? There are millions of people who've passed from this life into the next with no knowledge of Scripture. Does God neglect to judge them because of that; and if He doesn't; than on what grounds are they condemned?

 

[ewq1938]

How do you reconcile the verses that speak of the coming of Christ and the final judgement with "the last day"? Martha speaks of Lazarus her brother being raised "on the last day". Jesus doesn't tell her she's wrong about that.

The saved dead are resurrected on the last day of this age, before the Millennial age. The unsaved dead are resurrected on the last day of a different age, right before the eternity age actually.

Reason would tell us that there are no other days after "the last day" because if there were, it wouldn't be "the last day".

There are many "last days" because there are different ages with a beginning day and a last day.

You also have in the epistles where the rapture coincides with the destruction of the heavens and the earth. How do you reconcile that?

No scripture shows that.

 

[DavidPT]

How do you reconcile the verses that speak of the coming of Christ and the final judgement with "the last day"? Martha speaks of Lazarus her brother being raised "on the last day". Jesus doesn't tell her she's wrong about that.

Reason would tell us that there are no other days after "the last day" because if there were, it wouldn't be "the last day".

You also have in the epistles where the rapture coincides with the destruction of the heavens and the earth. How do you reconcile that?

Actually though, there can be a last day of this age, and there could be a last of an age that involves a thousand years and a little season. Or of course, both can be referring to the same thing, if assuming a position such as Amil.

Here's some interesting questions for you, which BTW actually favors Amil. Most Amils, if not all Amils, agree Revelation isn't in chronological order from start to finish. With that in mind---

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

In order for John to see another angel come down from heaven, this requires that he sees the first angel that does that. Where then is the first angel that he sees coming down from heaven? In the KJV when doing an exact phrase search for the following---"angel come down from heaven"---this particular phrase is used in only 3 passages in the entire Bible, and that they are all found in Revelation, and that I just provided 2 of them. Do you know what the third one is? There is a possibility that the 3rd passage is the first angel John sees coming down from heaven. And if so, this appears to support Amil and not Premil.


The 3rd passage is this one.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

It might look like this then.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

But I just thought of something though. This would make this linear, except most Amils in this thread have been dissing a linear approach when Premils try and determine things in a linear manner. It's still interesting, nonetheless. At least IMO anyway.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Now you have Steve Gregg explains that it's Ancient Rome under the influence of Satan (but he's not alone in that belief).

The Pagan Roman Empire is symbolized by the BEAST, not the Dragon.

The influence you speak up explains why the Beast resembles the dragon in many of its features.

 

[Erik Nelson]

The saved dead are resurrected on the last day of this age, before the Millennial age. The unsaved dead are resurrected on the last day of a different age, right before the eternity age actually.



There are many "last days" because there are different ages with a beginning day and a last day.




No scripture shows that.

revelation 20:11-15 clearly implies that some of those resurrected at that time after the Millennium and also after the age of Gog and Magog. Some of those resurrected in the second resurrection. WERE found in the book of life and were not thrown into the Lake of fire

 

[claninja]

But when coming to Eschatology though, how can linear not be relevant?

Linear is helpful when it comes NOT from an apocalyptic book, but from non-symbolic language. I don't know of anyone (preterist, amil, premil,etc..) who would disagree that the rebellion and man of lawlessness occur before the day of the Lord. Now these different theologies may disagree on exactly when the day of the Lord occurs, but all agree that the rebellion and man of lawlessness occur prior.

2 thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed

Obviously a first coming, followed by an ascension, followed by a return, this involves linear, as an example.

Agree, and scripture outside of revelation is very clear on that, the Christ came in the flesh (matthwe 1), then he died (matthwe 27:32-66), then he rose (matthew 28:1-9), then he ascended (acts 1:6-9), and he will return (acts 1:11, 1 Corinthians 15:23, 1 thessalonians 4:15-17).

Obviously satan deceiving the nations, then getting bound so that he can no longer deceive the nations, then being loosed so that he once again can deceive the nations, all of this involves linear.

There is no scripture outside of revelation 20:1-3, that agrees with this exact order, that satan deceives and accuses, then he is locked up for 1,000 years, then he is released for a little while, then he is destroyed.

As posted above, the linear order in scripture, outside of revelation, is that Satan is the deceiver/accuser, he is bound and cast out of heaven by the cross, he then prowls and blinds the unbelieving but is overcome by those who are in Christ, and he is then destroyed.

I would argue that building a doctrine based on the linear timeline of a highly symbolic and apocalyptic book, that is in fact not in chronological order, is inappropriate. Revelation should be used as an adjunct to scripture in order to support doctrines that are already very clear.

So why is it, if something might contradict one's position, if approaching it in a linear fashion, now all of a sudden linear is no longer relevant?

my belief is that the 1,000 years is representative of the promise that David never lacking a man to sit on the throne, a literal 1,000 years from the time of David to Christ. Thus the 1,000 years is representative of the cross, and the full work of God through His son that came in the flesh.



I believe it is at Christ's death, resurrection, and ascension that he began to reign.

Acts 2:30-32 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me

Ephesians 1:20-21 which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet

revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.


I believe it is at christ' death, resurrection, and ascension that satan was bound and cast out.

Mark 3:27 Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first binds the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.

1 john 3:8 The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

Colossians 2:15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Hebrews 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil.

Revelation 12:10-11 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down he who accuses them day and night before our God. They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives
so as to shy away from death.

I believe it was at Christ's death, resurrection, and ascension that believers were made a kingdom and priests to reign with Christ and serve God.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light

revelation 5:9-10 Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals, because You were slain,
and by Your blood You purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them into a kingdom, priests to serve our God, and they reign upon the earth.”

 

[Mark51]

The reference to the 42-months at revelation 13:5 is not referring to Satan. It refers to the "wild Beast" the "dragon [Satan]...gave the authority to...."

At Matthew 4:8, 9, Satan claimed to have authority over the kingdoms of the world. Jesus did not dispute this.-Compare 5:19; John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 John 2:15-17.

Satan was not "bound" in the past and is not bound now because the "great tribulation" has not come to pass nor has the resurrection begun.

 

[mkgal1]

I would argue that building a doctrine based on the linear timeline of a highly symbolic and apocalyptic book, that is in fact not in chronological order, is inappropriate. Revelation should be used as an adjunct to scripture in order to support doctrines that are already very clear.

QFE. This is a very important point.

 

[BABerean2]

As to the title of the thread then, taking into account what I just submitted, how can satan logically already be bound without contradicting anything in Revelation 12?

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Who is the "woman" that brought forth the "man-child" who shall rule with a rod of Iron, and when did the birth occur?

Psalm 2 reveals that the one who rules with the rod of Iron is the "son".

When was the "son" caught up to God?

Joseph took the woman and the child to Egypt to avoid the persecution of Herod, until the death of Herod. Many scholars now believe Herod died in 4 BC.

This reveals the first part of the chapter to be a history lesson, including the birth and death of Christ.
Therefore, it also includes the fall of Satan and those who followed him in rebellion against God.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Why would anyone believe that Satan and the wicked angels are still in heaven in the presence of God, and Christ, and the souls of dead believers?

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[mkgal1]

how can satan logically already be bound without contradicting anything in Revelation 12?

Where, specifically, do you see Revelation 12 contradicting that satan is currently bound by Christ's death and resurrection? What verse are we dealing with? Because, as BABerean just pointed out - the way I see it, Rev 12 coincides very well with the belief that satan is bound - disarmed by the victory of Christ's work on the cross - now.

 

[mkgal1]

Quoting from linked article (referring to Revelation Chapter 12):
Verses 10-11: We see that Satan is referred to as “the accuser of the brethren.” We can certainly see him playing this role in Old Testament times, and before Jesus went to the cross. We see this in the case of Job (Job 1:6-7), where Satan stands before God accusing Job of being incapable of serving God if he is left unprotected. We see this again in Zechariah 3:1, where Satan is pictured standing before the angel of the Lord to accuse Joshua the high priest. In Luke 22:31 we are told that Satan has put in a specific request to sift Peter as wheat. A not-as-clear reference to this type of activity also appears in Jude 9, where we learn that Satan entered into contention with the archangel Michael over the body of Moses. Steve Gregg also writes,

Because the great dragon was cast out (v. 9) as a consequence of the battle, we can pinpoint the heavenly battle as being at the same time as the accomplishment of the atonement at the death and resurrection of Christ.” One of several evidences of this is found in Jesus’ statement (recorded by the same author): “now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out” (John 12:31). Another evidence appears in the announcement that Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ has come (v. 10). This also coincides with the atonement. In addition, other New Testament authors confirm that a victory of this sort over Satan was accomplished by Christ in His death (cf. Col. 2:15, Heb. 2:14-15).

The death of Christ did not put Satan entirely out of business, but it ended his career as the accuser of our brethren (v. 10), his principle role in pre-Christian times (cf. Job 1-2; Zechariah 3). The blood of Christ has undermined the grounds of every charge that Satan might bring against the brethren [Romans 8:33-34]. Satan is cast to the earth. He cannot accuse the saints before God any longer, as they overcame his accusations by appeal to the atoning blood of the Lamb (vs. 11). They also take territory from the satanic kingdom by the word of their testimony (that is, preaching the gospel), and by their willingness to die rather than be intimidated by persecution (vs. 11).

Interesting in this light is a statement that Jesus made to His disciples in response to a question from Judas: “I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on Me…” (John 14:30). ~ Revelation Chapter 12

 

[DavidPT]

Quoting from linked article (referring to Revelation Chapter 12):
Verses 10-11: We see that Satan is referred to as “the accuser of the brethren.” We can certainly see him playing this role in Old Testament times, and before Jesus went to the cross. We see this in the case of Job (Job 1:6-7), where Satan stands before God accusing Job of being incapable of serving God if he is left unprotected. We see this again in Zechariah 3:1, where Satan is pictured standing before the angel of the Lord to accuse Joshua the high priest. In Luke 22:31 we are told that Satan has put in a specific request to sift Peter as wheat. A not-as-clear reference to this type of activity also appears in Jude 9, where we learn that Satan entered into contention with the archangel Michael over the body of Moses. Steve Gregg also writes,

Because the great dragon was cast out (v. 9) as a consequence of the battle, we can pinpoint the heavenly battle as being at the same time as the accomplishment of the atonement at the death and resurrection of Christ.” One of several evidences of this is found in Jesus’ statement (recorded by the same author): “now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out” (John 12:31). Another evidence appears in the announcement that Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ has come (v. 10). This also coincides with the atonement. In addition, other New Testament authors confirm that a victory of this sort over Satan was accomplished by Christ in His death (cf. Col. 2:15, Heb. 2:14-15).

The death of Christ did not put Satan entirely out of business, but it ended his career as the accuser of our brethren (v. 10), his principle role in pre-Christian times (cf. Job 1-2; Zechariah 3). The blood of Christ has undermined the grounds of every charge that Satan might bring against the brethren [Romans 8:33-34]. Satan is cast to the earth. He cannot accuse the saints before God any longer, as they overcame his accusations by appeal to the atoning blood of the Lamb (vs. 11). They also take territory from the satanic kingdom by the word of their testimony (that is, preaching the gospel), and by their willingness to die rather than be intimidated by persecution (vs. 11).

Interesting in this light is a statement that Jesus made to His disciples in response to a question from Judas: “I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on Me…” (John 14:30). ~ Revelation Chapter 12

Speaking for myself, I don't have any disagreements with the above, as far I can tell anyway. If satan was cast out around the time of the cross, which seems reasonable to me, where does this leave any room for him being bound a thousand years? Once he sees he's been cast to the earth, he's not being depicted as someone bound and shut up in a pit. He is being depicted as one who is free to roam about as he pleases. The first thing he does is persecute the woman that brought forth the manchild.

 

[ewq1938]

Where, specifically, do you see Revelation 12 contradicting that satan is currently bound by Christ's death and resurrection?

Rev 12 does not show Satan imprisoned in the pit. Christ's death and resurrection has nothing to do with when Satan will be cast into that pit.

 

[ewq1938]

Speaking for myself, I don't have any disagreements with the above, as far I can tell anyway. If satan was cast out around the time of the cross, which seems reasonable to me, where does this leave any room for him being bound a thousand years?

He's even called the ruler of the world at that time so not bound and put in the pit. Again, Amil only wants to talk about the binding and not the imprisonment because that messes with Amil's changing of what the binding actually is.

 

[DavidPT]

Where, specifically, do you see Revelation 12 contradicting that satan is currently bound by Christ's death and resurrection? What verse are we dealing with? Because, as BABerean just pointed out - the way I see it, Rev 12 coincides very well with the belief that satan is bound - disarmed by the victory of Christ's work on the cross - now.

A cpl of things we have to keep in mind are the following. satan is bound so that he can no longer deceive the nations while he is bound. His binding idoesn't stay in affect up until his demise in the lake of fire. satan is loosed after he has been bound, then following that, he is cast into the LOF. What does it mean when he is loosed then, assuming the victory of Christ's work on the cross had to do with him being bound? Do we just undo all of the work Christ did on the cross? Because once he is loosed, he obviously is no longer bound.

Another thing, once satan gets cast to the earth, he is not being depicted as being bound and shut up in a pit. He is being depicted as just the opposite, one who is not bound and shut up in a pit, but one who is roaming freely about throughout the earth. so where then does he initially get bound in Revelation 12? It has to be a time that he is already residing on the earth, the fact Revelation 20:1 tells us that an angel has to come down from heaven first in order to even cast him into the pit. After the war in heaven, Revelation 12 shows satan residing on the earth.

What would make this simple would be the following, assuming some of you are correct.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven , having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Show in the verses I supplied from Revelation 12, where Revelation 20:1-2 initially fits. Does it fit verse 7? Verse 8? So on and so on.

 

[DavidPT]

He's even called the ruler of the world at that time so not bound and put in the pit. Again, Amil only wants to talk about the binding and not the imprisonment because that messes with Amil's changing of what the binding actually is.

And for some strange reasons Amils find support for satan's binding via the Scriptures having to do with binding the strongman. I can't seem to get on the same page with them about it though. And believe me, I have tried.

Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

What in any of the above supports being bound so that the nations can no longer be deceived, then being loosed so that the nations can once again be deceived?

 

[ewq1938]

And for some strange reasons Amils find support for satan's binding via the Scriptures having to do with binding the strongman. I can't seem to get on the same page with them about it though. And believe me, I have tried.

That strongman isn't also cast into a pit so it's not the same thing plus the strongman doesn't have a chain attached to him like a dog does, he is wrapped around by it that's what binding actually is so Amil doesn't even understand what a binding is in either example.

 

[mkgal1]

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Where does his initial binding fit in with any of this? Nothing in Revelation 12:12-17 depicts a satan that is bound. All of it is depicting a satan that is loose. Therefore, the only logical place the binding of satan can possibly fit, is after the fulfillment of Revelation 12:12-17.

I think your expectations as to what "bound" and "loose" would look like are getting in your way.

Did the Gospel spread - and take root from after Jesus' death and resurrection? There was a battle- but didn't the Gospel win? Satan was powerless against the early church, because His remnant followed Jesus' instruction and fled......dwelling in caves for years.....and the early biblical text and the message was preserved.

Satan is a spirit - so it's not literal chains and pits that restrain him....that's metaphorical and symbolic language.

satan is bound so that he can no longer deceive the nations while he is bound.

The "nations" (as mentioned earlier) were specifically the Gentile nations. Did the Word go out to the Gentiles? The early church flourished in Asia Minor (Gentile nations).

What does it mean when he is loosed then, assuming the victory of Christ's work on the cross had to do with him being bound?

That's a good question that I'm unsure of the answer.

And for some strange reasons Amils find support for satan's binding via the Scriptures having to do with binding the strongman. I can't seem to get on the same page with them about it though. And believe me, I have tried.

This is what part of Mark 3 that's been pointed out:

Mark 2:27 ~ No one gets into the house of a strong person and steals anything without first tying up the strong person. Only then can the house be burglarized.

The demon possessed "belonged" to satan ("possessed" implies ownership). Jesus and His disciples were able to "steal them away" and free them from satan's grip when they cast out the demons from these people. Thus......the "strong person" (meaning - satan) had to have been tied up (bound) at the time. I see this as a foreshadow of what Jesus was going to complete on the cross.​

 

[mkgal1]

Take a look at these verses (hopefully without any preconceived ideas):

Rev 12:11-17 ~ And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

See how "the woman" (the early church) has victory over satan? He, for sure, waged war with her - but notice who "won"? Then he (satan) went after - "the remnant of her seed" - but, because they kept the commandments of God and had the testimony of Jesus - satan "lost" there as well.