Abortion Bans are Really Working Great

[PeachyKeane]

Actually, no. You are not trying to prevent 'murder of children'. You are trying to make criminals out of women.

If you TRULY were trying to stop abortions, you would be working to fix the social and economic issues in this country which make women choose abortion.

Don't flatter yourself with false praise.

I agree with this. Imagine how many abortions could have been prevented if forty years ago, we as a society we had invested money, energy and political capital into preventing, or even reducing the conditions that put women and families in a position where abortion seems like the only option.

But instead we made it the most divisive topic in politics. It was leveraged to win elections. Those people who claimed concern for unborn children couldn't be bothered to care if they had food, security or shelter or had access to medical care once they came out of the womb. Once they're out they deserve to die.

They never really cared about the unborn, still don't, and never will. They just wanted to win the political battle.

The tragedy is that should things keep going the way they are those women and families will never get the assistance they deserve. The left will keep pushing abortion, and the right will do their victory lap, having 'defeated abortion'. Those suffering in need will continue to suffer in need.

 

[Hammster]

Rape involves the unwilling participation of another living, breathing human being. Abortion does not.

Well, there is the baby that gets killed.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Here a point I think not being addressed.

The pill is a “morning after” drug. Abortions happen 8 to 36 weeks later.

A person who is 8 weeks pregnant can not induce the death of the child with the pill. So the premise of the op is inherently flawed.

 

[Hollow Man]

I understand that you are trying to substitute something you think I will object to as a way to make a point. However, a fundamental difference applies which makes your observation useless.

Rape involves the unwilling participation of another living, breathing human being. Abortion does not.

First of all, I sincerely doubt abortionists are asking the children for their consent to be killed.

Second, even if they did, under the law, minors can not give consent.

However, if a rapist wants to touch with his own body, I'm good with that.

And if a woman wants to kill herself, that's her decision. But she has no right to kill someone else.

 

[zephcom]

Well, there is the baby that gets killed.

Not legally. You, however, are free to feel that way and if you do, I support your right to not have an abortion.

 

[zephcom]

First of all, I sincerely doubt abortionists are asking the children for their consent to be killed.

Second, even if they did, under the law, minors can not give consent.



And if a woman wants to kill herself, that's her decision. But she has no right to kill someone else.

Legally none of that is true.

However, I support your right to not have an abortion. I absolutely do not support forced abortions at all.

 

[Hammster]

Not legally. You, however, are free to feel that way and if you do, I support your right to not have an abortion.

Killed is killed whether legal or not.

 

[zephcom]

Killed is killed whether legal or not.

That is a personal opinion. I support your right to have that opinion. I do not support a right to force that opinion onto everyone.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Here a point I think not being addressed.

The pill is a “morning after” drug. Abortions happen 8 to 36 weeks later.

A person who is 8 weeks pregnant can not induce the death of the child with the pill. So the premise of the op is inherently flawed.

About Plan B, you are correct.

However, there are pills you can take in the first trimester that will cause an abortion and can be done in the convenience of your own home. One of the more popular ones is also used as medication for ulcers. The argument you will just go after doctors performing the abortion will target who if the woman simply took the needed pills and never even visited a doctor.

 

[Hammster]

That is a personal opinion. I support your right to have that opinion. I do not support a right to force that opinion onto everyone.

That’s a fact. It’s not an opinion.

 

[zephcom]

That’s a fact. It’s not an opinion.

If it is a fact, produce the evidence for it. And by evidence, I don't mean religious beliefs. I mean scientific evidence.

 

[Speedwell]

That’s a fact. It’s not an opinion.

It may be a fact to you, but you are not trying very hard to convince anyone else of it. To many it just seems like religious ideology.

 

[FireDragon76]

I’m switching to relativism.

That's a false dichotomy.

 

[Hammster]

If it is a fact, produce the evidence for it. And by evidence, I don't mean religious beliefs. I mean scientific evidence.

You really need evidence that killing someone makes them dead whether or not it is legal?

 

[Hammster]

It may be a fact to you, but you are not trying very hard to convince anyone else of it. To many it just seems like religious ideology.

What, exactly, was religious about my statement?

 

[Hammster]

That's a false dichotomy.

It’s my truth.

 

[FireDragon76]

You really need evidence that killing someone makes them dead whether or not it is legal?

If we define persons by conscious self-awareness, then an embryo or fetus doesn't have that. For much of a pregnancy, the developing embryo or fetus has even less consciousness than most mammals.

Ancient peoples simply had erroneous notions of how conscious life began. An embryo doesn't have the brain structures to support anything like what we'ld recognize as consciousness.

 

[Hammster]

If we define persons by conscious self-awareness, then an embryo or fetus doesn't have that. For much of a pregnancy, the developing embryo or fetus has even less consciousness than most mammals.

You’ve just opened the door to kill a lot of people.

 

[FireDragon76]

You’ve just opened the door to kill a lot of people.

So? Perhaps people that are in permanent vegetative states should be allowed to die.

 

[zephcom]

You really need evidence that killing someone makes them dead whether or not it is legal?

No, evidence that an abortion is killing someone. There is no 'someone' at the time legal abortions are done.

 

[FireDragon76]

It’s my truth.

There's no such thing as "my truth". Only "my perspective".