If you keep sinning after you are saved are you still saved?

[Kenny'sID]

@Kenny'sID

You misquoted me. Would you kindly cap off my words, to separate them from yours?

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

Post 335

I said “What commandments, KennySiD?”

But your following reply isn’t separated from my quote.

I figured most would figure it out, guess I figured wrong.

 

[bcbsr]

Of course it's contingent upon what we do after. Do the following all you like without repentance and see what happens. Actually, you don't have to wait to see what happens, it tells us right there in the scripture so, don't be deceived as you apparently have been:

1 Cor 6:9-10
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

If I'm wrong or the scripture is wrong, please explain how we can actually do that which the bible clearly says we cannot, and still inherit the Kingdom of God? Because I'm just not seeing it.

1Cor 6:9-10 is simply listing categories of people who do not inherit the kingdom of God, none of whom represent those who have been born of God, seeing as "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9 So upon coming to saving faith, a person is born of God (John 1:13) and as such has lost to ability to live in sin. Thus there are no such people who have been saved who go on to sin in such a fashion as described in that passage.

 

[bcbsr]

Lets say a person is saved, and they decide to do whats in the following scripture I already brought up here, as a lifestyle.

It simply doesn't happen if a person has been born of God. Why is that, you ask? Because "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9

 

[Kenny'sID]

Ah yes, Kenney always making these false allegations about what all those who hold a OSAS position believe.

Show me where i did that?

Where did I claim everyone believes the same? Do you really expect me to try to know your personal differences and include the exception in each of my posts? It's a known fact to most some vary in their beliefs here. If you don't do it, it doesn't apply to you.

So you are the one making things up/with the false allegations, now aren't you? Here is what does apply to you and "much" of OSAS. making untrue statement as a means of defense, and why would you do that? Has anyone been listening?

I didn't read the rest of your post...if you were deceitful there what can i expect in the rest of what you say? You people are going to have to start playing fair before I bother. The way it is mow is getting old fast and getting us nowhere.

 

[Hammster]

I touched in that very thing, yet you seem to have not even see that. But no matter, as i keep saying, since you refuse to answer questions....we aren't going to get anywhere. It's a one sided debate. I gave you every opportunity.

I cleared it up by actually posting the whole thing. You ignored the important part of the post.

 

[bcbsr]

Show me where i did that?

Where did I claim everyone believes the same? Do you really expect me to try to know your personal differences and include the exception in each of my posts? It's a known fact to most some vary in their beliefs here. If you don't do it, it doesn't apply to you.

So you are the one making things up/with the false allegations, now aren't you? Here is what does apply to you and "much" of OSAS. making untrue statement as a means of defense, and why would you do that? Has anyone been listening?

I didn't read the rest of your post...if you were deceitful there what can i expect in the rest of what you say? You people are going to have to start playing fair before I bother. The way it is mow is getting old fast and getting us nowhere.

Typical adolescent response a number of us have come to expect of you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."

Wrong, and very old news inaccurate news at that. You all have been show several times how that holds no water, and people do fall away. Read this thread and you'll probably find it more than once...I'm certainly not going to repeat it for those who are no longer able to see.

 

[Hammster]

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
— 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

For clarity, Kenny’s argument stops at v. 10, as if Paul is talking about believers. But when you move to v. 11, it’s obvious that he’s making a distinction.

The point being, he took a passage out of context to make a point, and in context it’s the opposite point.

 

[Grip Docility]

I figured most would figure it out, guess I figured wrong.

If you don’t want to correct it, I will forget it. I wanted to make sure what was replied wasn’t perceived as my writing.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I cleared it up by actually posting the whole thing. You ignored the important part of the post.

Inaccurate, I read it all, but don't worry, what is happening here is how it usually ends up...it's not just you. My main point is to get someone in here that will give a fair exchange debate.

 

[Grip Docility]

Wrong, and very old news inaccurate news at that. You all have been show several times how that holds no water, and people do fall away. Read this thread and you'll probably find it more than once...I'm certainly not going to repeat it for those who are no longer able to see.

Kenny,

I have a sincere question.

God the Father sent His Son, Who willingly died for us, and imparts His Holy Spirit to us to save and seal us... while we were yet sinners.

Two entities are personified at two poles, in Scripture.

God, Who exalts mercy.

The adversary, who exalts malice.

Which one do you think desires the saved to doubt if they are saved?

 

[bcbsr]

Wrong, and very old news inaccurate news at that. You all have been show several times how that holds no water, and people do fall away. Read this thread and you'll probably find it more than once...I'm certainly not going to repeat it for those who are no longer able to see.

Realize that in your post #347 you're just responding to a quote of 1John 3:9. You don't include any of my commentary about it. So you're actually saying that you disagree with the apostle John concerning what he wrote in 1John 3:9.

We'll here's another quote from John in the same epistle, that apparently applies to you in this case, "We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us." 1John 4:6

 

[Hammster]

Inaccurate, I read it all, but don't worry, what is happening here is how it usually ends up...it's not just you. My main point is to get someone in here that will give a fair exchange debate.

But you didn’t respond to it all.

 

[Kenny'sID]

For clarity, Kenny’s argument stops at v. 10, as if Paul is talking about believers. But when you move to v. 11, it’s obvious that he’s making a distinction.

"as if"? For true clarity Hamster is putting intentions into my mouth, as "as if" is a flat out assumption and a wrong one at that. Wonder why he didn't simply ask, or are we down to no due process now it that's all we can find that will work for us.? I have always meant and likely said it pertains to everyone, save and unsaved so there is never and argument on that.

the point being, hamster is being untruthful and assuming. are you not, Hamster?

 

[d taylor]

No you didn't show me that. The scripture only comments on them not Inheriting the kingdom of God, nothng more.

I remember now, you never would give me a straight answer on what inheriting the Kingdom of God meant to you...right? Even after I went to some trouble to explain in detail what it mean to me (as if it's not crystal clear right out of the box) Wanna tell me what it means to you now? Make it simple and to the point.

I do not respond when discussion's take on a childish attitude. Which is what your reply yesterday, was.

So you want to have a dialogue and have your question discussed (at least by me) you will have to have a better attitude.

 

[Kenny'sID]

But you didn’t respond to it all.

Have you responded to all my comments?

If the flowing is what you meant, where does it say there we cannot fall away from all that and be tempted by the world and fall away? I guess that's why I didnb't answer,., it's the same stuff I've been disagreeing with so not sure why you even post it. I'll try to do better, just the same.

Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
— 1 Corinthians 6:11

 

[Hammster]

"as if"? For true clarity Hamster is putting intentions into my mouth, as "as if" is a flat out assumption and a wrong one at that. Wonder why he didn't simply ask, or are we down to no due process now it that's all we can find that will work for us.? I have always meant and likely said it pertains to everyone, save and unsaved so there is never and argument on that.

the point being, hamster is being untruthful and assuming. are you not, Hamster?

If you keep sinning after you are saved are you still saved?

Here’s the post where you made the comment. Notice where you left off. You’ve done it in a couple of places, so it can’t be a good.

The whole of v. 11 shows how your argument collapses on itself since it doesn’t support your assertion.

 

[Hammster]

Have you responded to all my comments?

If the flowing is what you meant, where does it say there we cannot fall away from all that and be tempted by the world and fall away? I guess that's why I didnb't answer,., it's the same stuff I've been disagreeing with so not sure why you even post it. I'll try to do better, just the same.

It doesn’t say that you can’t fall away. But I didn’t use that verse to make the argument. You used the previous two verses to make the argument, and I showed that by using all of 11 your argument doesn’t hold water.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I do not respond when discussion's take on a childish attitude. Which is what your reply yesterday, was.

So you want to have a dialogue and have your question discussed (at least by me) you will have to have a better attitude.

Of course you don't. no need, I already know why you don't respond.

I have to wonder if anyone see's what I've put up with here, and you go on about a "childish attitude"? I'll make a list when I get the time.

BTW, be careful of that "childish attitude" remark and such it can cause you problems here, but not at my hand so don't worry this time. Just a friendly reminder.

 

[Kenny'sID]

If you keep sinning after you are saved are you still saved?

Here’s the post where you made the comment. Notice where you left off. You’ve done it in a couple of places, so it can’t be a good.

The whole of v. 11 shows how your argument collapses on itself since it doesn’t support your assertion.

It doesn’t say that you can’t fall away. But I didn’t use that verse to make the argument. You used the previous two verses to make the argument, and I showed that by using all of 11 your argument doesn’t hold water.

After that last very unfounded accusation, along with trying to make sure everyone knows I did bad, when anyone can see I did nothing, I'm thinking it's a good time for a cool down. Another time, maybe.