FreeGrace2
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I said:
"Unfortunately, many think the words "fall away" refers to falling away from salvation, yet Jesus never said that. He was clear: some "believe for a while", and then, because of negative circumstances, they fall away from their belief."
Further, you really need to study the present tense in the Greek at well. It's a myth to claim that the present tense means the results of a present tense action must continue for the results to continue. That is clearly refuted by Acts 16:31 where Paul used the aorist tense for 'believe' and the result is "shall be saved".
It doesn't mean "believe for a while", as you are trying to make it mean.
It's impossible to be in fellowship with the Lord if we do not keep His commandments.
"Unfortunately, many think the words "fall away" refers to falling away from salvation, yet Jesus never said that. He was clear: some "believe for a while", and then, because of negative circumstances, they fall away from their belief."
I say what the Bible says. Haven't you ever studied the aorist tense in the Greek? Paul used that tense in Acts 16:31. Jesus used that tense in John 4 in His discussion with the Samaritan woman at a well when He spoke of drinking the water that He gives.So what your saying is a person does not have to continue to believe in order to be saved?
Further, you really need to study the present tense in the Greek at well. It's a myth to claim that the present tense means the results of a present tense action must continue for the results to continue. That is clearly refuted by Acts 16:31 where Paul used the aorist tense for 'believe' and the result is "shall be saved".
You have no verses that back up your opinion.Those who do not continue to believe to the end, have believed in vain.
First, "hold fast" in the Greek is one word and means "possess". Second, "in vain" means "without reason".Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-3
It doesn't mean "believe for a while", as you are trying to make it mean.
You are confusing and conflating fellowship with Christ and being sealed with the Holy Spirit.Those who are “in Christ”, but don’t remain “in Christ”, are cast into the fire and burned.
Since Jesus already affirmed their saved state, He addresses the ONLY WAY a believer can bear fruit, which is the subject of v.1-8 of John 15.If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
Since the words "in Him" refer to fellowship, you are correct here.Here’s how we remain “in Him”.
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
It's impossible to be in fellowship with the Lord if we do not keep His commandments.
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