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Sorry, but if you cannot determine between things like "it was evening and it was morning, the first day" for each day..... and Jesus is the door, how do you read anything? Seriously, it is not that difficult to understand when a metaphor is being used. Jesus stands at the door and knocks.... or...... Jesus walked on water... what is a metaphor there? Jesus is the Lamb of God, and our Shepherd.
The bible is full of these, yet, they are easily distinguished from other actual events and factual statements..

It is a cop out to use examples like that, IMO, as it is obvious.
Why "door, kidneys, corners" are obviously not literal, but evenings and mornings during creation obviously are? What rule do you work with?
 
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Truth is not dependent on how long something has been accepted, or how new it is... nor is it dependent on how many believe it or how few. It is also not dependent on how many letters follow the name of those telling you that it is a fact.

Truth is just that... the truth..... AND, the bible... is the most solid truth of all.

"Truth is not dependent on how long something has been accepted, or how new it is"

You should tell this to the person who suggested that science changes year after year.
 
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"Truth is not dependent on how long something has been accepted, or how new it is"

You should tell this to the person who suggested that science changes year after year.
The point is, truth is always truth. Science should continually change as theories and ideas, taken to be facts, are continually updated with new observations that disprove it, or observations that support it.

Science should be a winding path that follows discoveries. It should not be a set idea, established as fact... then tossing out, ridiculing, hiding and destroying any evidence that leads away from this dogma.

Today, mankind has firmly established an old earth, evolution and other atheistic ideas, as solid fact. These are taught in our schools and universities and anyone who questions them... is discredited...

That is not science. That is a religion.
 
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Why "door, kidneys, corners" are obviously not literal, but evenings and mornings during creation obviously are? What rule do you work with?
Simple logic...

If a cop wrote in his note pad that the event took place three days ago.... and also wrote in his notes that the murderer left no evidence and this closed the door on their search....

How would you take it?

Come on man.... you cannot tell the difference? OR.... don't want to.

The way I see it.... Every week I work at my job for 5 days and at home for one day and then I rest on Sunday, which is my rest day... this reminds me of the literal six days of creation.

Then, I see a rainbow in the sky, today, on the way to work and it reminds me of the real, total earth covering flood, that God said He would never do again.

I also take communion on the first Sunday of every month, to remember Christ's death and resurrection in His work on the cross for my salvation.


All are real... not one is a myth, allegory, metaphor or parable....

In the end, all will be revealed..... Men have been wrong so many times throughout history... they will be found to be wrong many more times... They are wrong about anything that contradicts the canon.
 
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Simple logic...

If a cop wrote in his note pad that the event took place three days ago.... and also wrote in his notes that the murderer left no evidence and this closed the door on their search....

How would you take it?

Come on man.... you cannot tell the difference? OR.... don't want to.

The way I see it.... Every week I work at my job for 5 days and at home for one day and then I rest on Sunday, which is my rest day... this reminds me of the literal six days of creation.

Then, I see a rainbow in the sky, today, on the way to work and it reminds me of the real, total earth covering flood, that God said He would never do again.

I also take communion on the first Sunday of every month, to remember Christ's death and resurrection in His work on the cross for my salvation.


All are real... not one is a myth, allegory, metaphor or parable....

In the end, all will be revealed..... Men have been wrong so many times throughout history... they will be found to be wrong many more times... They are wrong about anything that contradicts the canon.
Genesis is not a criminal record by a cop. Its a dramatical scene polemic with pagan creation stories, showing that all the creation is under the command of one God.
 
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Actually, neither the big bang theory nor the old earth nor evolution was discovered by atheists.
How does who initiated the view in any way shape or form determine it's truth? Even if they are Christian... they can have incorrect views.
 
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Genesis is not a criminal record by a cop. Its a dramatical scene polemic with pagan creation stories, showing that all the creation is under the command of one God.
With the ages of that time being 500 years plus. Adam knew Methuselah who knew Noah s boys who knew Abraham and Issac....The whole idea that these are folk stories passed down over generations... is incorrect.
 
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With the ages of that time being 500 years plus. Adam knew Methuselah who knew Noah s boys who knew Abraham and Issac....
Only if you rely on the genealogies to be literal and complete.

The whole idea that these are folk stories passed down over generations... is incorrect.
Not sure what you mean.
 
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The point is, truth is always truth. Science should continually change as theories and ideas, taken to be facts, are continually updated with new observations that disprove it, or observations that support it.

Science should be a winding path that follows discoveries. It should not be a set idea, established as fact... then tossing out, ridiculing, hiding and destroying any evidence that leads away from this dogma.

Today, mankind has firmly established an old earth, evolution and other atheistic ideas, as solid fact. These are taught in our schools and universities and anyone who questions them... is discredited...

That is not science. That is a religion.

I firmly agree that the above are established facts. And I'm more than happy to discredit people who disagree.

Thankfully we are in charge of school curriculums.
 
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I do not know, you started to call it "atheistic ideas".
Are you saying that these ideas are not atheistic? No matter who dreams them up, they are ideas that show anti biblical views and, in the end, no need for a God or creator.
 
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Are you saying that these ideas are not atheistic? No matter who dreams them up, they are ideas that show anti biblical views and, in the end, no need for a God or creator.

What does evolution say about the Commandments of God?
 
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Only if you rely on the genealogies to be literal and complete.
Oh, so now even the ages are not literal... What else then? Jesus walking on water? Angels speaking to Abraham and Lot? Moses standing in front of a dry sea bed?

Or, do you just choose the scripture that fits with your man made beliefs?

Not sure what you mean.

Usually when people start talking about the validity of the OT, especially Genesis, and are using terms like "dramatical scene polemic with pagan creation stories"
They are down playing the solid integrity of these events as written.
 
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