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Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Robert6671, May 7, 2019.

  1. Acts2:38

    Acts2:38 Well-Known Member

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    I should ask, who are you talking about when you say "founding fathers". Are you talking about those of American nation? Abraham and his successive line until the nation of Israel was formed? The apostles, Christ, who?

    Sorry if I don't believe what you say. I believe you over exaggerate your percentage. Which is why I came to you in the first place to say "lets be honest with ourselves here.".

    I call it, "A lack of belief in what the word of God has laid out for us.". I find scripture quite accurate when I read things like 2 Timothy 4:3-4.

    You will either believe what scripture says, or you won't. Your choice really. And Genesis's use of context/sentence structure, the words that are chosen, support young earth.

    I'd rather believe what the bible says, not you, or even some scientist who likes to claim scripture as a lie or twist its words around.

    Actually, they do use it to determine the earths age. They use it by saying that "this bone we found is X years old, and therefore we can determine that the earth is at least Y amount of years"

    I don't know where you came from, but they ALWAYS used carbon dating to determine the earths age. Schools continue to teach this as absolute. Unfortunately, it was found quite unreliable. Yet they still teach it as absolute.

    As far as these "founding fathers" you speak of, many people love to try and prove scripture false or twist its words up. I don't see them stopping now. Thus, geologists still debate today, since it is not fact, in fact, quite the opposite when you take scripture into consideration.

    Yes, I agree.

    So when I told you in the last post "there were things in the 90's we thought was so, but now (2019) know it isnt so", you agree with that statement. I agree too. There are some things we use to know as true, but later find out are not (or vise versa).

    However, it doesn't contradict scripture. Old (billions of years) earth believers, contradict scripture. I just can't do that regardless if you came to me all by my lonesome with X amount of people. I love God way too much to be twisting up His words and tossing them out the window.
     
  2. JacksBratt

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    Again, if I could give multiple tags, I would give this a friendly and a winner.

    It is sad enough that Satan has deceived so well the intelligent minds of our scientists. It is sadder still that those that claim to have faith in Christ, have also been deceived by the same academic views.

    However, the bible does say that the wisdom of man is foolishness. And, I have to wonder if the "faith that sets us free" and the "faith that saves us" is not inclusive.. By that I mean faith in all things of scripture, such as the age of the earth and the six days of creation as well as the faith in Chirst's work on the cross.

    I think that coming to Christ, like children, is a direct connection to believing scripture as a child believes their parents.. then.. as you grow and go from milk to meat.. the solid truth of the scripture is not moved and your vision of the absurdity of science..in respect to the creature's belief in how it was created..is not changed.

    I've always believed that the paint on the canvas knows infinitely less about the way it came to be as it is... than the artist holding the paint brush.
     
  3. myst33

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    The belief in six literal days of creation is as much "biblical" as a belief that Christ is a literal door.

    It does not make you free, it makes you paranoid and living in a constant conspiracy like the Flat Earth guys.
     
  4. Acts2:38

    Acts2:38 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it will literally boil down to "Will I believe Gods word or will I pick and choose from it/or flat out deny it all"

    They don't hold the bible with any weight of authority and seek out man's opinions.
     
  5. Acts2:38

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    I think my first post here in this thread you missed (or maybe didn't understand?).


    Comparing the context to Genesis 1 and your poor example as making "Christ a literal door" found in John 10:9-16 is completely absurd. You were comparing metaphors/figurative language with literal and I think you know that, unless you are completely ignorant in context, reading comprehension, and the likes.

    Also, it doesn't make us paranoid, just saddened that people out there cant understand context, words, and simple reading of such, and to take God's word at face value.

    I've already tried to discuss with you many things of which it all went right over your head. Other people have even told you as you ridiculed me about it, that it was quite simple to understand.
     
  6. KomatiiteBIF

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    "I don't know where you came from, but they ALWAYS used carbon dating to determine the earths age. "

    You're mistaken, nobody uses carbon dating to determine the age of the earth, and no, there is no exaggeration 99% if geologists accepting an old earth, sorry to break the news to you.
     
  7. JacksBratt

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    I cannot reply any better than post # 45
     
  8. JacksBratt

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    Millions of people gaffed at Trump winning the election...
    People thought that "heavier than air flight" was impossible.
    The speed of sound was thought not to be possible to reach.


    There are hundreds of things in science that were once thought to be one way, by the majority or even the 99 percentile... and were later found to be false.

    I could care less how many geologists say anything if it contradicts the scripture.

    Let me just say... God said "black"... men say "white"....... I'm going with Black.. every time.
     
  9. KomatiiteBIF

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    All I'm saying is, the founding fathers of old earth geology understood that the planet was old back in the 1700s. It has yet to be overturned after 300 years of advancing research. It has only been solidified with things like the discovery of plate tectonics and discoveries in metamorphism and geophysical properties of rock etc. And the understanding of old earth geology has only gained more and more support since then.

    It truly is science that had not changed in literally hundreds of years.
     
  10. JacksBratt

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    So, now I should believe science from 3 centuries ago? Cause they know better than the Word of God?

    This is not a surprise. Any obsevation that supports this "anti-God" view is celebrated.. anything that contradicts it.. is hidden, lost, denied or ridiculed.


    By design.

    Look, I get it, OK? You have been to school and have been fed the dogma of "old earth". I have a very good friend, who is a geologist, and a Christian, that is wading through the half truths, assumptions and extrapolations...His findings are the same as those in regards to a very true event... Jesus walking on water... Science doesn't back it up.. but it happened.

    My uncle said it best.... "What better method to determine if your creation believes, loves and has faith in you, than to allow two opposite views on an event..one that you told them is true... one that is determined by man to be true....Who do they believe?"
     
  11. KomatiiteBIF

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    Well, someone earlier mentioned that science changes year to year, I'm just pointing out that, in the case of an old earth, the concept has been around since the 1700s and isn't something that just sprang up a few months ago.
     
  12. JacksBratt

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    Yep.. and how long has evolution been around? How long something has existed, has nothing to do with how true it is....only the persistence of those perpetrating it.
     
  13. KomatiiteBIF

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    If how long something has existed, is irrelevant to whether or not it is true, then perhaps you should tell that to the guy claiming that science changes year by year.
     
  14. JacksBratt

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    Truth is not dependent on how long something has been accepted, or how new it is... nor is it dependent on how many believe it or how few. It is also not dependent on how many letters follow the name of those telling you that it is a fact.

    Truth is just that... the truth..... AND, the bible... is the most solid truth of all.
     
  15. myst33

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    Regarding theology, not science.
     
  16. JacksBratt

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    The Bible tells of things that, if scientists use it for information, will lead them to the truth.
     
  17. myst33

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    To the theological truth, not to truth regarding scientific fields.
     
  18. JacksBratt

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    Well, no, it's not going to say that water boils at 100 degrees Celsius at standard pressure. Nor is it going to say that airfoils will give lift or that penicillin will work as an antibiotic.

    God did tell Moses to tell the people to bury their excrement in the desert and wash their hands with running water. The bible also tells us things like Hyssop will cleanse you and a whole other list of medicinal uses of different herbs.

    It is not a science reference text, that is for sure. However, that does not mean that when the bible says that Jesus walked on water, turned water to wine or created the universe in six days... that it is not true.. just because some dudes with "Dr" after their name say different.
     
  19. myst33

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    You think that science work like "some dudes with Dr after their names says something, therefore its true"?
    They work in their fields, they must do research, experiments, have peer-reviewed studies etc.

    Yes, Bible says that God created dry land, sky and life on earth in six days. Bible also says that Jesus is door, that earth has 4 corners and that kidneys are our center of thoughts and emotions.
    We must dig a little deeper to get the theological message, blind surface-literal reading can lead us into wrong results.
     
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  20. JacksBratt

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    Sorry, but if you cannot determine between things like "it was evening and it was morning, the first day" for each day..... and Jesus is the door, how do you read anything? Seriously, it is not that difficult to understand when a metaphor is being used. Jesus stands at the door and knocks.... or...... Jesus walked on water... what is a metaphor there? Jesus is the Lamb of God, and our Shepherd.
    The bible is full of these, yet, they are easily distinguished from other actual events and factual statements..

    It is a cop out to use examples like that, IMO, as it is obvious.
     
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