How do creationists test their ideas?

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That's fine from a particular religious perspective, but a book is not, cannot be scientific evidence. The Bible is no more scientific evidence of creationism than Origin of Species is evidence of evolution.
Then why is someone asking how it can be tested?
 
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Been awhile since I checked the science boards. The last time I was on I think you were in the Anglican Church, now it says you are other religion. What religion did you join (If you don't want to share, np) NM, AV told me what's up.
 
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Been awhile since I checked the science boards. The last time I was on I think you were in the Anglican Church, now it says you are other religion. What religion did you join (If you don't want to share, np)
QV please:
It seems the correct caption to me, since so many creationists deny the Christian faith of Anglicans anyway, and regard it as "other religion."
 
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Keep it simple; does the bible mentions the rings of Saturn?
The star saturn (the pagans name for Gods created star).

Are you talking about science fake one or the real one created by God.
 
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Are you saying that science created the 'sorting' that you are seeing in your popcorn bowl?

If you are tired of getting unpopped kernals don't use the microwave, pop it on the stovetop using fresh popcorn.

You're welcome! :)

No, I'm saying the Popcorn Imp is responsible for the sorting. The fact that the popcorn is ALWAYS sorted like this is all the proof you need.
 
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That is not outside the Bible speaks about the sun, moon stars etc.. I just see with my eyes that as the Bible states.

This might come as a shock to you, but the Sun and Moon (as physical objects) exist outside of the Bible. ;)

Regardless, the mere existence of the Sun and Moon does entail that anything actually written in the Bible about them is true. That is post-hoc reasoning and it's a fallacy.

Out side conformation would be a group separate from the Bible. Which i would look to, to confirm that the sun is moving over the earth, the moon is a light, etc...

The Sun neither moves over the Earth nor is the Moon a light. I think you're a bit stuck there.
 
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I think a good methodology is to study Genesis from a scholarly perspective first, (Hebrew, ANE culture and history) catalogue the likely meanings, and see if they meet observation. That may or may not eliminate some of the choices but I think it's the best route. I think we can eliminate flat earth from scripture (let me know if you want me to explain that), and I think we can't predict the age of the earth because scripture does not mention a day that the earth was created. So I'm not sure how we can say, from scripture, that the earth is any particular age.

This is fair. That said, there are a lot of creationists that insist the age of the Earth can be derived from the Bible. The question is how one determines if they are correct or not.
 
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The correct view is that of the agreement of Scripture with Science, History and Genetics. Our Universe began 13.8 Billion years ago on the 3rd Day.

Okay. So what would you say to a creationist who thinks the universe is only ~6000 years old? How would you demonstrate that it is 13.8 billion years old?

How do you determine that you have the correct interpretation of events as written in the Bible versus how they interpret events in the Bible?
 
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This might come as a shock to you, but the Sun and Moon (as physical objects) exist outside of the Bible. ;)

Regardless, the mere existence of the Sun and Moon does entail that anything actually written in the Bible about them is true. That is post-hoc reasoning and it's a fallacy.



The Sun neither moves over the Earth nor is the Moon a light. I think you're a bit stuck there.

If the Bible said the ocean was red, i have the perfect right to see if that is true and to look at the ocean to see if the Bible is true in that regard.

If you are so hard up for a got you, then take it, it does not matter to me, i am not the one trying to defend lies of science about Gods creation.
 
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If the Bible said the ocean was red, i have the perfect right to see if that is true and to look at the ocean to see if the Bible is true in that regard.

Which entails using outside information to confirm the Bible. This, despite what you claimed earlier which was, "The Bible needs no outside conformation[sic]".

So which is it? Do you need outside confirmation or not?

If you are so hard up for a got you, then take it, it does not matter to me,

Well apparently it does matter to you since you keep replying to this thread.

I'm just trying to understand how creationists confirm their ideas. So far from your posts I've received contradictions and post-hoc fallacies.
 
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That is not a coherent answer to the question of how one determines something.
Then your OP is vague.

You gave five scenarios, none of which is right.

I assumed you wanted me to pick one of the five.

What specifically is your question?

Creationism is my forte, and I love discussing it.
 
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What specifically is your question?

How would creationists determine which is the correct view of Earth's history? What methodology would creationists apply to determine this?

Now if you believe "none of the above", that's fine. But the heart of the question is how you determine this. IOW, how would you show that all of those scenarios are incorrect?

And simply answering "The Bible" is not answering how.
 
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That is not outside the Bible speaks about the sun, moon stars etc.. I just see with my eyes that as the Bible states.
Out side conformation would be a group separate from the Bible. Which i would look to, to confirm that the sun is moving over the earth, the moon is a light, etc...

Star Trek says the moon is real, as well as Mars.

Does that mean that everything else that Star Trek says is true too?
 
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And simply answering "The Bible" is not answering how.
Then I predict you won't get a satisfactory answer.

It's a shame that, despite the fact that God tells us what He did, how He did it, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, what He thought of what He did, who the eyewitness were (some by name) and how they reacted, science isn't satisfied.
 
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Okay. So what would you say to a creationist who thinks the universe is only ~6000 years old? How would you demonstrate that it is 13.8 billion years old?

I would tell them that the Hebrew and Ussher dating is false since we STILL live on the present 6th Day at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating sinners in Christ Spiritually. We will not advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until after Jesus returns to our Earth, a future event at the end of the present 6th Day/Age in the creation and filling God's perfect Heaven with perfect people, made perfect in Christ.

How do you determine that you have the correct interpretation of events as written in the Bible versus how they interpret events in the Bible?

God told Daniel how to hide His Truth until the last days when the "increased knowledge" of our time would unlock the mysteries of Genesis. Daniel 12:4 God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis more than 3k years ago and when it's found, you notice that it AGREES in every way with every other discovered Truth. When you read Genesis for what it actually says, you will find that it's NOT the traditional story which ancient people thought it was.
 
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Then I predict you won't get a satisfactory answer.

It's a shame that, despite the fact that God tells us what He did, how He did it, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, what He thought of what He did, who the eyewitness were (some by name) and how they reacted, science isn't satisfied.

Except God didn't tell you.

You have a book that you have been told is God telling. But that doesn't mean that the claims of the people who told you the Bible is the word of God are real.
 
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