Voodoo Around the World

[Natsumi Lam]

Witchcraft is fiction. There is absolutely no evidence of it, much more any logical sense to it. If Witchcraft and all that voodoo stuff was real then mankind should logically have gone extinct or at least be an endangered species.

Many writers spoke also through their own knowledge and their own views, some of them had no knowledge of things outside their area. Just because they where inspired by God doesn't mean their intelligence and knowing of the world boosted up.

Voodoo being debunked has no effect on God at all, and for you to apply the whole "God never changes" as a basis shows that you (indirectly) see a reliance between Witchcraft and God.

So your saying God doesnt provide divine knowedge?

Daniel prophecied Jesus in Dan 9:24 -27. How would he know?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

No contract. Just God's sovereignty. It is simple really. God is in control of everything. To include demons. Sometimes God will allow demons to cause suffering and demons think that they are going against the will of God. But that suffering is intended to produce good and demons are being played like puppets to an omniscient and omnipotent God. Regardless of the reasons, the enemy has already been defeated at the Cross and has no authority over Christians unless God's sovereign will allows it for a period of time.

One such example of this happening is when Satan possessed Judas to betray Jesus. Satan thought that he would win if Jesus was killed. But Satan had no idea that he was being played the fool and doing exactly what God wanted him to do.

Salvation...our protection is not a contract? See Dan 9:27

 

[Cis.jd]

Are you being serious...i am really asking that question?

Why did God say He was going to destroy those umong them? Deut 18.


If God takes it serious enough to kill people it must be important to note.

Are you serious? You have to apply reason to some of these things otherwise you will mix superstition with faith.

The act of voodoo or the occult is true: blood sacrificing, playing with animal skulls, mixing random bird feathers... we see this stuff being done by college kids, but just because someone believes and practices those things doesn't mean their beliefs on it are true. The act itself can be what is actually referenced but it shouldn't be seen as a confirmation of anything supernatural.

You keep ignoring the logical analysis of it: if Voodoo does exist then for all the millions of years that mankind has existed and held anger/grudge towards one another, mankind would never exist long enough to reach AD.

 

[Cis.jd]

So your saying God doesnt provide divine knowedge?

Daniel prophecied Jesus in Dan 9:24 -27. How would he know?

No, i'm saying that not everybody gets an IQ boost. You think that these prophets became "the smartest people who instantly knew everything about the world" just because they where inspired by God to write scripture? Come on. If that is the case, you'd think Daniel would have beaten Benjamin Franklin on discovering electricity because of being given "divine knowledge" by God?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Hi Family,

Do you feel the enemy, through the use of Voodoo(i am being general), has any power?

Does God allow curses to rest on Christians?

As Spirit filled Christians, what can we do to protect ourselves?

~Natsumi Lam~

I'm not aware of the rise of "Voodoo", the syncretic religion of "Voodoo" is chiefly rooted in the West African tribal religion of Vodun, it has taken on syncretic elements through Christian influence, but only superficially so. It is also largely limited to a few Caribbean islands and parts of the American South East.

No, it doesn't have any "power", it's just another religion with its own distinct beliefs, practices, and traditions.

People who practice other religions don't have super powers, they are just ordinary people. The Christian response to people of other religions is to love them as our neighbors, and to do as St. Peter said, have an answer to the hope that is in us, doing so with gentleness and respect.

Believing in the supernatural power of other gods or spirits is idolatry and is unacceptable in Christianity.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Natsumi Lam]

I'm not aware of the rise of "Voodoo", the syncretic religion of "Voodoo" is chiefly rooted in the West African tribal religion of Vodun, it has taken on syncretic elements through Christian influence, but only superficially so. It is also largely limited to a few Caribbean islands and parts of the American South East.

No, it doesn't have any "power", it's just another religion with its own distinct beliefs, practices, and traditions.

People who practice other religions don't have super powers, they are just ordinary people. The Christian response to people of other religions is to love them as our neighbors, and to do as St. Peter said, have an answer to the hope that is in us, doing so with gentleness and respect.

Believing in the supernatural power of other gods or spirits is idolatry and is unacceptable in Christianity.

-CryptoLutheran

Do you think the enemy has any power?

Do you think the enemy works through other religions?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do you think the enemy has any power?

Do you think the enemy works through other religions?

I think the devil is a liar and a deceiver, and a coward. I try not to concern myself with trying to find the devil under every rock or behind every tree--it is enough that I confess Jesus Christ our Lord who has defeated him. And so I remember my baptism, and speak Christ's holy name, the devil cannot withstand that.

What active role does the devil in his deceits play in the world? How should I know? I am told to resist him and that he will flee. And I am told that greater is He that is in me than he who is in the world, so if God is for us, who can be against us? So wherever the devil might whisper his lies, we can know that God's truth shall triumph through us, for indeed one little word shall fell that ancient foe. Christ has won the battle. Glory be to God.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bèlla]

Compromise in our life, abuse, incest, occult practices, etc

The first two would depend if you’re the victim or the victimizer. Committing acts of abuse and incest can open you up to demonic presences.

As for the occult, if you’ve dabbled there are possibilities. The extent of your involvement would determine where things may lead. It’s one thing to have a psychic reading and another to make a blood oath.

If you’re a victim of spiritual abuse you may have some negative experiences (on account of the act) but agreement is required for the compromises you’re addressing.

Trauma is a common doorway for entry and is usually employed in abuse and mind control.

 

[bèlla]

Do you think the enemy works through other religions?

Yes he does and there was a noticeable increase in people desiring initiations and a sharp spike in fees (ranging from $10K to $50K in the past). The initiates were traditionally people of color but the visibility gained through New Age publishers (like Llewellyn) brought more attention.

These are oral traditions and unlike some mainstream religions associated with New Agers they can’t be practiced alone. Limited information is disclosed to the public. You’d need to make contact with a mambo, santero/santera, or palo.

They are not only relegated to the southeast. There is a vibrant network of practitioners throughout the US. It isn’t uncommon for people to travel for initiations. Some people make inquiries at botanicas but they are usually willing to dispense information to people with Hispanic ancestry or Creole depending on the person.

I would strongly advise against setting foot in one.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Salvation...our protection is not a contract? See Dan 9:27

No, our protection is not a "contract". It is a promise. Also, I don't understand how Daniels prophesy of the abomination of desolation is relevant. Could you please explain?

 

[ChicanaRose]

Do you think the enemy has any power?

Do you think the enemy works through other religions?

You raise two valid questions. I think watching the video in post #9 would be helpful.

Around 14 min. 25 sec. into the video, you will find an opinion about your second question.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

No, our protection is not a "contract". It is a promise. Also, I don't understand how Daniels prophesy of the abomination of desolation is relevant. Could you please explain?

Dan 9: 27 speaks of a covenant which is a contract. Which relates to Dan 9:24 speaks of the 6 edicts of christ. I am saying our salvation is a contract making our security in him and freedom in him.

 

[derpytia]

Hi Family,

Do you feel the enemy, through the use of Voodoo(i am being general), has any power?

Does God allow curses to rest on Christians?

As Spirit filled Christians, what can we do to protect ourselves?

~Natsumi Lam~

I think that the enemy only has power through voodoo if the practitioner believes in it. Voodoo has a really bad reputation with people who don't practice it and for good reason. Even non-Christians shy away from it.

As for God allowing curses to rest on Christians, I think He might allow it for chastising purposes -- particularly if the Christian has started to get involved with people who use it. I've seen it happen.

The best thing you can do to protect yourself as a Christian is to not associate yourself with someone who practices voodoo. Of course, we interact with many people in public and it can be hard to tell who is into voodoo and who isn't unless they expressly say it. But upon finding out someone is into it, do not bring them into your personal life any further.

 

[timewerx]

The Voodoo is a military aircraft.

Does it have power? LOTS!

What to do to protect ourselves? Don't throw molotov cocktails at US property

McDonnell F-101 Voodoo - Wikipedia

 

[ViaCrucis]

Dan 9: 27 speaks of a covenant which is a contract. Which relates to Dan 9:24 speaks of the 6 edicts of christ. I am saying our salvation is a contract making our security in him and freedom in him.

Without getting into the complex debates over how to interpret Daniel 9, it should suffice to say that there's nothing in the text to suggest that our salvation is a contract. God's word and promise is sufficient, and He keeps His word not because He is contractually obligated, but because He freely in His love meets us in our unworthiness to make us His own.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Salvation...our protection is not a contract? See Dan 9:27

The type of contracts that were drawn up in the old days were using the entrails of animals to illustrate what would happen to you if you broke it. It's not a contract like today, when an agreement was made, it was understood .. you do not break it as long as you live.

Agreements of the old world type are the reason we have any semblance of civilization now.

The old agreement between God and the Hebrews was broken, but since the current covenant is based on Jesus instead of us, the concept of conditional salvation would imply God is unfaithful.

Protection however, is not synonymous with the covenant.

As we mature, God gives us more responsibility. Some people are given the responsibility of being part of that wall that some Christians boast of so nothing can hit them.

So some are as internal organs and some are as skin is, but it is still the same body.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

The type of contracts that were drawn up in the old days were using the entrails of animals to illustrate what would happen to you if you broke it. It's not a contract like today, when an agreement was made, it was understood .. you do not break it as long as you live.

Agreements of the old world type are the reason we have any semblance of civilization now.

The old agreement between God and the Hebrews was broken, but since the current covenant is based on Jesus instead of us, the concept of conditional salvation would imply God is unfaithful.

Protection however, is not synonymous with the covenant.

As we mature, God gives us more responsibility. Some people are given the responsibility of being part of that wall that some Christians boast of so nothing can hit them.

So some are as internal organs and some are as skin is, but it is still the same body.

Dan 9:24 is speaking of Christ...that has not changed.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Dan 9:24 is speaking of Christ...that has not changed.

Okay I'll play, haven't looked at the passage and pasting it now.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This might speak of the crucifixion, it seems to talk more about Jesus .. I'd agree, this is about Jesus.

Okay, let's look at Dan 9:27.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is the word Covenant translated as Contract in your translation? Just trying to understand.

I recall that Jesus visited people for a while to confirm the covenant, but the timeframe was more than a week, and it was also more than a week until the temple was destroyed in 70AD, perhaps it relates to fulfillment based time, in that seven particular purposes needed to happen to end the week, and then this was fulfilled. In a sense "it happens when it has happened" kind of time.

However, what does this have to do with being protected and stuff?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Okay I'll play, haven't looked at the passage and pasting it now.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This might speak of the crucifixion, it seems to talk more about Jesus .. I'd agree, this is about Jesus.

Okay, let's look at Dan 9:27.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Is the word Covenant translated as Contract in your translation? Just trying to understand.

I recall that Jesus visited people for a while to confirm the covenant, but the timeframe was more than a week, and it was also more than a week until the temple was destroyed in 70AD, perhaps it relates to fulfillment based time, in that seven particular purposes needed to happen to end the week, and then this was fulfilled. In a sense "it happens when it has happened" kind of time.

However, what does this have to do with being protected and stuff?

He was saying our salvation was not a contract...that is all.

I asked if we were under contractual protection in his book.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He was saying our salvation was not a contract...that is all.

I asked if we were under contractual protection in his book.

I think that's an argument over semantics, word association for Covenant is different for Contract in general, but I guess you could think of them as the same thing.

This was a contract that was made in effect when the author of the contract (Jesus) died. (Hebrews 9:16-17)

What that contract means for different people in different parts of His body can differ. The point of commonality is that it is our work to trust Him, and the Holy Spirit fills us continually as we trust Him.