Mueller Report - no collusion and no obstruction

[Steve Petersen]

The no collusion mantra is a red herring.

In his four-page letter to Congress, Attorney General William Barr summarises, mostly in his own words, the conclusions of the special counsel's investigation. In one key line, however, he directly quotes the report.

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or co-ordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187?ns_campaign=bbcnews&#

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Well, that's that then. I’m sure the left will let it go.

Yeah, I just ordered my MAGA hat...

 

[Deviant Writer]

Since you brought it up, it is true that many people of Kenya believe President Obama was born there. I never really believed it myself (mostly anyway) that's because it became to sensational, when things become to sensational, it usually is a bunch of bologna.

There's a difference between a mistaken belief and being a conspiracy theorist. The former involves having no information or wrong information. The latter is pure ego.

You bring up that "many people of Kenya" believe that he was born there. Let's assume that's true (because I don't). How many of them are going to still believe that if shown a copy of his birth certificate online?

Here's how the birther arc went:
I want to see his short form.
You've got it? I want to see his long form.
You've got that too? Dual citizenship bars him from being president.
It doesn't? Well, the marketing blurb on his book says he was born in Kenya.
What's that? Marketing blurbs have absolutely zero legal or constitutional weight?
Well the long form is fake because it has layers.
What's that? We have no idea how documents work? Okay, well...citizenship solely comes from the father, and I refuse to accept any evidence or judicial decisions stating that it doesn't. The end. I win.

And like I said, Trump continued it. So if he gets hit with his own conspiracy theory, that's really just too bad.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Not just the President, but no American conspired with Russia. The DNC server was hacked

That is what we knew two years ago. Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General reviewed. Trump is exonerated by the Mueller report.

I thought Trump admitted , that he fired James Comey over the Russia investigation.

 

[Silverback]

There's a difference between a mistaken belief and being a conspiracy theorist. The former involves having no information or wrong information. The latter is pure ego.

You bring up that "many people of Kenya" believe that he was born there. Let's assume that's true (because I don't). How many of them are going to still believe that if shown a copy of his birth certificate online?

Here's how the birther arc went:
I want to see his short form.
You've got it? I want to see his long form.
You've got that too? Dual citizenship bars him from being president.
It doesn't? Well, the marketing blurb on his book says he was born in Kenya.
What's that? Marketing blurbs have absolutely zero legal or constitutional weight?
Well the long form is fake because it has layers.
What's that? We have no idea how documents work? Okay, well...citizenship solely comes from the father, and I refuse to accept any evidence or judicial decisions stating that it doesn't. The end. I win.

And like I said, Trump continued it. So if he gets hit with his own conspiracy theory, that's really just too bad.

I saw the video's from Kenya...so, it is what it is.
"Marketing blurb" did not know about that one, it'd be same thing though, it became to sensational, and silly.

 

[mark46]

In his four-page letter to Congress, Attorney General William Barr summarises, mostly in his own words, the conclusions of the special counsel's investigation. In one key line, however, he directly quotes the report.

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or co-ordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187?ns_campaign=bbcnews&#

You seemed to miss another statement, at the end of the first paragraph under Obstruction

"The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him". So, for Mueller is neutral on obstruction. Barr decides that any obstruction did not rise to the level of a crime.

 

[Hammster]

Yeah, I just ordered my MAGA hat...

A little more extreme than I expected.

 

[USincognito]

In his four-page letter to Congress, Attorney General William Barr summarises, mostly in his own words, the conclusions of the special counsel's investigation. In one key line, however, he directly quotes the report.

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or co-ordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47688187?ns_campaign=bbcnews&#

Since I don't see the word collusion in that quote I have no idea why you think it's germane to my comment.

 

[hislegacy]

Then Donald should want the full report to be made public with minimal redactions, ASAP.

Trump says public should see 'ridiculous' Mueller report

 

[Rion]

The no collusion mantra is a red herring.

Are you a Collusion Truther?

 

[USincognito]

Are you a Collusion Truther?

What part of my post was unclear? If you're having trouble comprehending what I wrote, please ask for clarification instead of a some asinine question like that one.

 

[Rion]

Then Donald should want the full report to be made public with minimal redactions, ASAP.

The Mueller Report

 

[GoldenBoy89]

A little more extreme than I expected.

Oh you know me... Extremist Democrat here.

 

[mark46]

NO COLLUSION is 100% clear. No American conspired, or even cooperated with the Russians.

NO OBSTRUCTION is not quite as clear. Mueller refused to make a decision. Barr declared that any obstruction by the president did not rise to the level of the crime of obstruction. That level is very high indeed, as Barr detailed.

Obviously, whether such obstruction (and associated abuse of power) is an impeachable offense is another matter, and a political (not a legal) decision. Pelosi has already said no to impeachment, but this could change with time, although IMO it should not.
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So, as folks told the president long ago, he could have saved a lot of effort and bluster, and simply allow Mueller to do his job. Now, he is the position of celebrating an investigation and investigators that he has attacked almost daily for almost two years.
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IN ADDITION (not part of the report, or even relevant to it)
Trump hired many crooks and foreign agents who are going to jail for their very serious crimes. As an aside, potential crimes by Trump, his family, inauguration team, and his company have been turned over to other prosecutors.
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MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO DEMOCRATS
1) Secure the full Mueller report and as much background as Barr will give. Every bit of evidences unnecessary for any purpose (e.g. grand jury testimony).
2) Accept the conclusions and join a bipartisan push to punish Russia and protect the country against future actions.
3) Make integrity/lying a campaign issue; never have so few lied so much in so short a period of time. The voters can judge. And make business and campaign practices a campaign issue; there is lots already in public documents and there will be lots more to come.
4) While including a mention of Trump and the above issue, focus almost the entire campaign on other issues.

Not just the President, but no American conspired with Russia. The DNC server was hacked

That is what we knew two years ago. Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General reviewed. Trump is exonerated by the Mueller report.

 

[mark46]

I thought Trump admitted , that he fired James Comey over the Russia investigation.

so?

Do you think that Barr doesn't know that? In that case, email him. Barr concluded that this action did not constitute illegal obstruction of justice.

 

[Rion]

Jussie, Covington Kids, KickVic, Mueller Nothing Burger... 2019 has been great.

 

[mark46]

The no collusion mantra is a red herring.

I suppose the proper slogan should have been "no conspiracy and no cooperation" and also "no obstruction"

 

[Steve Petersen]

Since I don't see the word collusion in that quote I have no idea why you think it's germane to my comment.

Just as I predicted. Pedantic.

 

[Deviant Writer]

I saw the video's from Kenya...so, it is what it is.
"Marketing blurb" did not know about that one, it'd be same thing though, it became to sensational, and silly.

Yeah, it is. I'm going to let the subject drop. This thread isn't about the birther conspiracy and it's lack of sense. It's about Trump obviously colluding with the Russians even though the evidence proves he didn't.

Huh...this is actually kind of fun.

 

[mark46]

Will Trump continue to attack the investigators, the FBI who helped, and the report? Had he simply said almost 2 years ago that we as a country should wait until the report came out before discussing it, this would be a HUGE positive campaign issue for him. Obviously, he could have made an initial statement that no one cooperated or conspired with the Russians, and that there was no obstruction.
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As it is, Trump attacked Mueller's credibility so much that there is no reason for voters to accept the report.