the iconoclast
Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it
Because my life and experience are validity enough for me.
Hey hey my new friend
So as a non Christian, you do not need to consider salvation and atonement - because these concepts are Christian. You consider this a valid reason because your life and experience are validity enough for you.
What is it about your life and what are some experiences that are valid enough for you to reject the atonement of our Lord Jesus Christ, and have no need to consider such a thing?
Well there are brain scans to observe what a person experiences within nature, coupled with the experience of being within nature.
Well my dear, what about these brain scans - that observe what a person experiences within nature. How do they support for your statement?
What about these brain scans that observe what a person experiences within nature made you come to your conclusion?
Could you supply a link so i can inspect what it is you are talking about and to understand you better?
Please excuse me my friend. What are you talking about
, coupled with the experience of being within nature.
Please indulge me friend.
What experience of being within nature gives support for your statement? What experience of being within nature helped you come to your conclusion?
I believe its to do with an altered brain wave state, where your brain switches (or can switch) from a Beta state to an Alpha one.
How did you reach this conclusion? Do you have link to provide me so i can inspect? What has this got to do with Jesus, nature and the light of God? What has this got to do with accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour?
An Alpha state is more relaxed, intuitive, aware, and less cognitive in regards to crunching out thoughts and perhaps anxiety and fear surrounding those, or just mental activity. Nature is the trigger for that process, or can be. The rigid elements of a state of doing in a Beta brain wave state is switched to a more relaxed and intuitive state of being from an Alpha brain wave state.
What has this got to do with Jesus, nature and the light of God? What has this got to do with accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour?
Nature has enabled you to connect to a part of yourself more readily in your waking conscious day.
Intrigued iam. How can nature enable me to connect to a part of myself more readily in my waking conscious day? What part of myself do you refer to?
Regarding Jesus, to observe a life (even if it was a story)
So do you believe the life of Jesus is an account of an imaginary or a real person?
lived in a certain fashion, to strive to live with integrity and a sense of your fellow man being worthy just by virtue of their existence.
What do you think about these verses?
Romans 3:25-26 God put [Christ] forward . . . to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness . . . so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 15:8-9 Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy.
Matthew 5:17 Jesus said, "I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."
John 12:27 Jesus said, "For this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name."
John 17:4 Jesus prayed, "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do."
John 18:37 Jesus answered, "For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."
Mark 1:38 [Jesus] said to them, "Let us go somewhere else to the towns nearby, so that I may preach there also; for that is what I came for."
John 9:39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind" (but see John 3:17).
Luke 19:10 Jesus said, "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost."
1 Timothy 1:15 "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners."
John 3:16-17 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him" (but see John 9:39).
Mark 10:45 "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
Matthew 10:34-35 Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
John 10:10 Jesus said, "I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly."
1 John 3:8 "The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil."
Hebrews 2:14 "Since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives."
On one hand i have the Bible - with instruction on how to be reconciled to God and the formula to become saved.
Now, i have you on the other hand - with a different doctrine and different offer.
What can you offer me and why is your theory on Jesus more precise and correct then traditional/orthodox Christian thought?
What valid reason do you have to reject these scriptures?
Loving ones neighbor as yourself, and even trying to loves ones enemy etc etc,
My dear you left out some important detail and please excuse my bluntness. Your reply seems cherry picked.
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
What do you think about the whole verse in particular Jesus' words to Love thy God with all thy heart?
Why did you leave that part out?
Why do you accept certain parts of what Jesus says but ignore other parts?
presents a counter position to our own basic survival drives, fears and selfish agendas. That process connects you to a deeper part of your being, because you are letting go of aspects of a self driven agenda and are delving more into a interconnected life. Jesus can be a trigger for that process.
How can our Lord Jesus Christ be a trigger for such a thing?
Please consider these 2 verses
John 3:16-17 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him" (but see John 9:39).
Romans 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
What u think? Why is it that what you say contradicts what is written?
Its a good question. it presents a different aspect to your being. A greater awareness, a more intuitive approach, something more relaxed and free.
So both nature and Jesus have the ability or potential to enable myself to move beyond the rigid construct of my egoic self, and presents something else. This something else is greater awareness, a more intuitive approach and something more relaxed and free.
Check this out.
Ego - a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
Self esteem - confidence in one's own worth or abilities; self-respect.
Self inportance - an exaggerated sense of one's own value or importance.
What is this different aspect to our being you speak? What or who am i getting in tune with ie what is at the back of nature/Jesus?
Also guidance,
Who or what is guiding me? How am i guided and what gives this guidance?
I see the intuitive expression as a more guided one than the cognitive expression.
The ability to understand something instinctively, without the need for conscious reasoning. What made you reach this conclusion that intuitive expression is a more guided one than the cognitive expression?
When would i choose intuition over cognition?
Its something I've allowed more into my life over the past decade of so and its been rewarding.
Would you say you feel less self important and have less self esteem?
I do sense that I am part of a greater whole and experience that in the direction my intuition takes me.
What do you believe this greater whole to be?
Eyeswideopen -"What is the greater whole for me?"
Icon - "please indulge me "
Eyeswideopen -"Well currently it gets called the universe, of which I am part. It needs no more addition for me."
What do you mean here when you say you are apart of a greater thing, namely, the universe?
My dear what does that mean?
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