The fact that some others were included does not change a singly word of the very, very, many explicitly stated promises.
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The fact that some others were included does not change a singly word of the very, very, many explicitly stated promises.
You have been claiming that there is no special promise to the children of Israel.Unquestionably true.
Who said it did?
You have been claiming that there is no special promise to the children of Israel.
Genesis 17:12 is about an entirely different subject, which has zero relationship to the promises made to the ancient nation of Israel, to the ancient sub-nations of Ephraim and Judah, tho each of the twelve tribes individually, to Jerusalem, to Judea, and to the land of Israel. All of these promises will be kept by he God who cannot lie.I've been claiming what Genesis 17:12 claims.
Is that what Genesis 17:12 claims?
Genesis 17:12 is about an entirely different subject, which has zero relationship to the promises made to the ancient nation of Israel, to the ancient sub-nations of Ephraim and Judah, tho each of the twelve tribes individually, to Jerusalem, to Judea, and to the land of Israel. All of these promises will be kept by he God who cannot lie.
Genesis 17:12 is about an entirely different subject, which has zero relationship to the promises made to the ancient nation of Israel, to the ancient sub-nations of Ephraim and Judah, tho each of the twelve tribes individually, to Jerusalem, to Judea, and to the land of Israel. All of these promises will be kept by he God who cannot lie.
This passage simply does not say, or even imply, that these servants became members of the nation of Israel.Tell us what "entirely different subject" Genesis 17:12 is about.
"the ancient nation of Israel" included those who were "not of thy seed".
"the land of Israel" was inhabited by those who were "not of thy seed".
They were every bit as much the recipients of the promises as those who were "of thy seed".
That's because the physical seed is irrelevant.
That's because only the spiritual seed is relevant.
That's because God is not an apartheid.
That's the subject that Genesis 17:12 is about.
This passage simply does not say, or even imply, that these servants became members of the nation of Israel.
Try finding even one scripture that says, or even implies, that being circumcised made someone an Israelite.What nation do you think they became members of?
Did God mandate their circumcision just for entertainment, then evict them to parts unknown?
Genesis 17
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Genesis 34
24 And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
Exodus 12
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Circumcision was applicable to every male, ethnic or nonethnic, foreign or domestic, slave or free, servant or son; without distinction; who was willing to submit to, and comply with, God's covenant.
Try finding even one scripture that says, or even implies, that being circumcised made someone an Israelite.
Try finding even one scripture that says, or even implies, that being circumcised made someone an Israelite.
What does this Imply?Try finding even one scripture that says, or even implies, that being circumcised made someone an Israelite.
Does Isaiah 56 look to you to be exclusive promises of His covenant (only received based on DNA or origin of birth)?You have been claiming that there is no special promise to the children of Israel.
Does Isaiah 56 look to you to be exclusive promises of His covenant (only received based on DNA or origin of birth)?
Isaiah 56 ~ Salvation for Foreigners
This is what the LORD says:
“Maintain justice and do what is right,
for My salvation is coming soon,
and My righteousness will be revealed.
Blessed is the man who does this,
and the son of man who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath without profaning it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
Let no foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,
“The LORD will utterly exclude me from His people.”
And let the eunuch not say,
“I am but a dry tree.”
For this is what the LORD says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
who choose what pleases Me
and hold fast to My covenant—
I will give them, in My house and within My walls,
a memorial and a name
better than that of sons and daughters.
I will give them an everlasting name
that will not be cut off.
And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD
to minister to Him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to be His servants—
all who keep the Sabbath without profaning it
and who hold fast to My covenant—
I will bring them to My holy mountain
and make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on My altar,
for My house will be called a house of prayer
for all the nations.”
Thus declares the Lord GOD,
who gathers the dispersed of Israel:
“I will gather to them still others
besides those already gathered.”
And not even one of these says anything whatsoever about anyone becoming an Israelite by being circumcised.Act_7:8 Then He gave him the covenant of circumcision; and so Abraham begot Isaac and circumcised him on the eighth day; and Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot the twelve patriarchs.
Act_10:45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Act_11:2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him,
Rom_15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers,
Gal_2:12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
Tit_1:10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
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The fact that additional promises were made to others does not detract one iota from the EXPLICITLY STATED promises made to some.Does Isaiah 56 look to you to be exclusive promises of His covenant (only received based on DNA or origin of birth)?
Isaiah 56 ~ Salvation for Foreigners
This is what the LORD says:
“Maintain justice and do what is right,
for My salvation is coming soon,
and My righteousness will be revealed.
Blessed is the man who does this,
and the son of man who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath without profaning it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
Let no foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,
“The LORD will utterly exclude me from His people.”
And let the eunuch not say,
“I am but a dry tree.”
For this is what the LORD says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
who choose what pleases Me
and hold fast to My covenant—
I will give them, in My house and within My walls,
a memorial and a name
better than that of sons and daughters.
I will give them an everlasting name
that will not be cut off.
And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD
to minister to Him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to be His servants—
all who keep the Sabbath without profaning it
and who hold fast to My covenant—
I will bring them to My holy mountain
and make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on My altar,
for My house will be called a house of prayer
for all the nations.”
Thus declares the Lord GOD,
who gathers the dispersed of Israel:
“I will gather to them still others
besides those already gathered.”