Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

[Saint Steven]

Indeed we see Ex 20:11 saying that the Gen 2:1-3 statement alone makes Sabbath Holy.

What we don't see is a statement BEFORE Exodus 16 saying "Do not take God's name in vain"..

Clearly your "proof by extreme inference poured into texts that don't actually say what you claim" did not work.



I did.



Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.





Turns out....

And it is a Bible detail so obvious even the pro-Sunday Bible scholars freely admit it.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians and the 7th day Sabbath of Genesis being the day before week-day-1 Sunday.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

Why are you posting the same thing over and over again?

 

[Saint Steven]

How can you be a Junior Member if you are married?

 

[sparow]

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.
I said,
"Right.
The name of the day of the week does not determine which deity is being worshiped.
Otherwise Saturn would be worshiped on Saturday. There is no day named after our God."

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.
Here are your choices for names of the days of the week.
Sunday
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Do you see "The Sabbath" in the names of the days of the week?
Neither do I.

You are right on a point; the name of the Day doesn't identify which God (Saturday, Sunday or Friday). But the seventh day what ever it is called identifies the God of Israel, the first day identifies Pagan or Nimrod and at least in later times the sixth day identifies the moon god Allah and His daughters.

Deuteronomy 5:14 (NKJV)
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God; the seventh day identifies God of the Bible; not Allah, not Nimrod. When men make their own rules it is to wear their own garments:

Isaiah 4:1 (NKJV)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, "We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach."

 

[Saint Steven]

You are right on a point; the name of the Day doesn't identify which God (Saturday, Sunday or Friday). But the seventh day what ever it is called identifies the God of Israel, the first day identifies Pagan or Nimrod and at least in later times the sixth day identifies the moon god Allah and His daughters.

Deuteronomy 5:14 (NKJV)
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God; the seventh day identifies God of the Bible; not Allah, not Nimrod. When men make their own rules it is to wear their own garments:

Isaiah 4:1 (NKJV)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, "We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach."

Well, out of one side of your mouth you agree that the name of the day of the week doesn't determine which deity is being worshiped. But out of the other side you claim the first day "identifies Pagan or Nimrod." Make up your mind.

 

[sparow]

Well, out of one side of your mouth you agree that the name of the day of the week doesn't determine which deity is being worshiped. But out of the other side you claim the first day "identifies Pagan or Nimrod." Make up your mind.

You are difficult to communicate with; the first day of the week is not a name it is a number, 1 of 7 indication the days position in the set sequence. Everyone uses the 7 day week, some call Monday the first, but in the Bible and in English, Sunday is the name of the first day. Today there are people trying to change the 7 day week into a different number of days, like eight or ten, to distance the week from the Bible.

 

[Saint Steven]

You are difficult to communicate with; the first day of the week is not a name it is a number, 1 of 7 indication the days position in the set sequence. Everyone uses the 7 day week, some call Monday the first, but in the Bible and in English, Sunday is the name of the first day. Today there are people trying to change the 7 day week into a different number of days, like eight or ten, to distance the week from the Bible.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

 

[BobRyan]

If it means what you claim it means, then we would see evidence of Sabbath-keeping before Exodus chapter sixteen.

Indeed we see Ex 20:11 saying that the Gen 2:1-3 statement alone makes Sabbath Holy.

What we don't see is a statement BEFORE Exodus 16 saying "Do not take God's name in vain"..

Clearly your "proof by extreme inference poured into texts that don't actually say what you claim" did not work.

I said nothing about "Bible" days of the week.

I did.

"The Sabbath" is not the name of a day of the week.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Does the Bible in Genesis actually SAY that?

Turns out....

And it is a Bible detail so obvious even the pro-Sunday Bible scholars freely admit it.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians and the 7th day Sabbath of Genesis being the day before week-day-1 Sunday.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

Why are you posting the same thing over and over again?

Because you obviously have no answer for it - and "ignoring it" is not a "funny kind of compelling solution".

Because it illustrates the sequence of the conversation so the reader can get the point you get stuck on - in that very post - without having to piece anything together. I point out that even your own sunday scholars admit to the 7th day Saturday and week-day-1 Sunday detail - so you "pivot to something else"

hence your "non-response" above.

Why that in mind, why would you not keep the new moon?
Is that not a commandment of God?

And then there's tassels... Is that not a commandment of God?

the "answer" is in the "details" above you refuse to engage. Your own sunday scholars admit that the moral law of God (that includes all TEN of the TEN Commandments) - remains but the ceremonial aspects and civil aspects do not once the theocracy ends.

And we all know that the "New Moon" command is NOT found in the TEN commandments kept inside the ark - while all other text was outside the ark.

The Isaiah 66:23 prediction (which you are also not reading apparently) is that in the New Earth - we finally have BOTH the Sabbath commandment AND the New Moon command being observed by "All Mankind" (not just jews).

Details matter.

 

[BobRyan]

Well, out of one side of your mouth you agree that the name of the day of the week doesn't determine which deity is being worshiped. But out of the other side you claim the first day "identifies Pagan or Nimrod." Make up your mind.

Have you read Galatians 4??

 

[BobRyan]

How can you be a Junior Member if you are married?

"Junior Member" designation is not my doing... I can only be blamed for the 27,781 posts listed in my profile summary.

 

[Saint Steven]

Turns out....

And it is a Bible detail so obvious even the pro-Sunday Bible scholars freely admit it.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians and the 7th day Sabbath of Genesis being the day before week-day-1 Sunday.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

That explains why NONE of them keep the seventh day Sabbath given to the Israelites ALONE through Moses. Were you a slave in Egypt?

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

 

[Saint Steven]

Have you read Galatians 4??

​

I have.
I'm especially fond of this verse.

Galatians 4:17
Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them. ​

 

[Saint Steven]

"Junior Member" designation is not my doing... I can only be blamed for the 27,781 posts listed in my profile summary.

You can change that in your profile settings.
I revised mine to say: You can call me Steve

 

[BobRyan]

That explains why NONE of them keep the seventh day Sabbath given to the Israelites ALONE through Moses.

Your own Sunday scholars freely admit that the Sabbath was given in Eden for all mankind and was the 7th day - Saturday. Edited/bent in their view sometime after the cross to point to week-day-1.

That is your own Sunday scholars admitting to that obvious 7th-day-Sabbath fact in the OT.

As for gentiles "all mankind" we already saw that in Isaiah 66:23.

What is more gentiles are specifically singled out in Isaiah 56:6-8 for seventh-day Sabbath keeping. (Possibly another reason that your own sunday-scholars admit to this Bible detail).

Were you a slave in Egypt?

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Were you imagining that Deut 5 which is 40 years after Sinai was "chisling new stone"???

Notice that Deut 5 starts off by affirming the "Stone" tablets of 40 years ago and insists on compliance with them - it ADDs reasons for keeping the Sabbath that Israel should be even more focused on that observance since God specifically blessed them -- But Deut 5 is not chisling out a new set of Ten -- as some folks have imagined to themselves.

I think we all knew this.

 

[BobRyan]

You can change that in your profile settings.
I revised mine to say: You can call me Steve

I will try to find that edit. I am not the one who set it to "Junior" in the first place - I did not think I had control over that.

If you know where the edit link is for that - it would be much appreciated.

 

[Kaon]

Let's hash this out...

No. The most High God designated certain days for holy days, and a specific day - the seventh day - as a weekly convocation and fellowship with Him. I don't know where the Church began chopping up the Word of God into digestible pieces, but you know what is right and wrong. Nowhere does the Word of God Himself is the Sabbath deemed null, or void.

 

[Saint Steven]

Your own Sunday scholars

Just to be clear, I make no claim that Sunday is a Sabbath. I agree that the seventh day is the Sabbath and that it was given to the Israelites alone through Moses. The Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.

Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

Ezekiel 20:20
Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”

 

[Saint Steven]

I will try to find that edit. I am not the one who set it to "Junior" in the first place - I did not think I had control over that.

If you know where the edit link is for that - it would be much appreciated.

Click on your Avatar image. Then click "Profile Page". To the right of your avatar image on the Profile page you should see some text that says "Junior Member". Drag over that text to select it and replace it with what you want it to say. Return to the forum to check your results.

 

[BobRyan]

Just to be clear, I make no claim that Sunday is a Sabbath. I agree that the seventh day is the Sabbath and that it was given to the Israelites alone through Moses.

I assume you attend church each week, and that you do it on Sunday and that your own church claims this is the day that Christ was resurrected from the dead, making Sunday week-day-1 in the NT text and that the TEN Commandments call for the 7th day not week-day-1 as the Sabbath - and that the reason Christians attend church on week-day-1 is that this no longer applies for the 7th day. (or something like that)

A very similar position it taken by what I call "your Sunday Bible scholars" and of course "I do not agree" to their rejecting of the Bible Sabbath in that regard.

That means that in they are much more on your side of the fence than mine - in that regard.

Clearly you do not agree with their claims that the Bible Sabbath was for all mankind as Christ said in Mark 2:27 and with their claims that it started in Eden as Ex 20:11 states and with their claims that even for all eternity after the cross - the Ten Commandments continue to apply to all mankind. (the very details where I DO agree with the Sunday scholars).

The Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.

Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

There is no "Alone there" in your quote of Ex 31.

And as already noted - God reminds us that gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping - EVEN in the OT in Isaiah 56:6-8 -- which of course shoots the idea in the head that the OT never intended this for anyone but Israel and Christ also makes that case that it is "for mankind" in Mark 2:27 - from its very founding.


Ezekiel 20:12
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant for "The Houses of Judah and the House of Israel" --

Do you really reject the New Covenant since you are not a Jew?? Might want to rethink that.

 

[BobRyan]

Click on your Avatar image. Then click "Profile Page". To the right of your avatar image on the Profile page you should see some text that says "Junior Member". Drag over that text to select it and replace it with what you want it to say. Return to the forum to check your results.

When I drag the mouse over that text it lets me copy the text but not edit/replace it. Do you see a hyperlink or active button applied to that text in your view of it? It is just a plain text field and has no edit or button attributes when I view it. I suppose I could edit the page source but that might not "stick" next time I view the page.

 

[Saint Steven]

There is no "Alone there" in your quote of Ex 31.

It states, "Say to the Israelites... This will be a sign between me and you..."
That says "alone" to me. Or any rational person, I suppose.
If the Shabbat his a sign between God and the Israelites, to whom else is it a sign? (no one else) It is a sign between them alone.

Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.