WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[klutedavid]

I don't believe he does from the witness I have about SDA meetings on Saturdays. I would say the sabbath but Saturday isn't the sabbath according to Scripture. The sabbath is determined by the lunar calendar. Besides that Saturday is determined at the international date line in the Pacific, not Jerusalem.

The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar.

You are correct aoh, the lunar Sabbath day varies each month and certainly is not the solar, Sabbath day equivalent. They most certainly rest on different Sabbath days compared to the law abiding Jews in Jerusalem.

The law dictates the lunar Sabbath day but that creates mayhem for the legalist, because a lunar Sabbath occurs on differing solar days in each month. Working life for the SDA would be impossible.

So obviously aon, they cannot obey the law to the letter as far as the Sabbath day is concerned.

If they wish to rest on a solar Sabbath day then they can rest on that day. God will judge them anyway regardless of the day that the Sabbath occurs.

The entire law was merely the blue print describing the fulfillment of all things by Jesus Christ. God cares not for the sacred festival assemblies nor for the Sabbaths, God is only interested in the new creation in Christ.

 

[Kermos]

The CONTEXT of LEVITICUS 23 here are the appointed times of the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. These ANNUAL FESTIVALS are once a year events and includes days of HOLY CONVOCATION. A HOLY CONVOCATION in Hebrew means;
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You write "The CONTEXT of LEVITICUS 23" in your very first sentence, and that word "CONTEXT" is your thoughts which you immediately try to impose your thoughts onto scripture. It appears that you disagree with God because God commands Moses "you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:" in Leviticus 23:2, and then God immediately states "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to YHVH in all your dwellings". That is God calling the weekly sabbath a holy convocation. Well, your "CONTEXT" is not God's Word nor God's context.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now after 39 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You write "The CONTEXT of LEVITICUS 23" in your very first sentence, and that word "CONTEXT" is your thoughts which you immediately try to impose your thoughts onto scripture. It appears that you disagree with God because God commands Moses "you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:" in Leviticus 23:2, and then God immediately states "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to YHVH in all your dwellings". That is God calling the weekly sabbath a holy convocation. Well, your "CONTEXT" is not God's Word nor God's context.

Not at all brother. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. As shown earlier through the scriptures you mix up the Shadow laws from LEVITICUS 23 with Gods' ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken under the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

As posted earlier the FEAST days and HOLY CONVOCATIONS are in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. HOLY CONVOCATION means CALLED OUT to a PUBLIC ASSEMBLY. Now if there are no more ANNUAL FEAST DAYS and their ANNUAL HOLY CONCOVATIONS (called out public assemblies), How does this effect God's 4th Commandment which is not ANNUAL but WEEKLY?

The SHADOW ceremonial sabbaths have already been defined and shown in the HEBREW word meaning as being "SPECIAL" sabbaths connected to annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These special sabbaths are not God's 4th commandment and were connected directly to these feats and could fall on ANY DAY of the WEEK.

These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing God's plan of salvation.

This does not effect God's 4th Commandment as it is not yearly but weekly and one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.

Sorry brother God's Word disagrees with you.

 

[Kermos]

Now brother are you saying that JESUS broke the 4th commandment? If JESUS broke God's 4th commandment then he could not be our perfect sacrifice and mankind would be lost because JESUS would have to die for his own sin and could not die for ours. You do not believe that now do you brother? Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Jesus was teaching in MATTHEW 12:1-12 that it is lawful to do GOOD on the SABBATH not to break it and he is the maker and LORD of the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8 that he made for mankind *MARK 2:27-28.



Indeed the scriptures testify against what you just posted earlier. If JESUS broke the SABBATH then he did not fulfill it now did he.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Hope this

Hosea 2:11 indicates the end of ALL sabbaths thus pointing at Lord Jesus the One Who would make the perfect sacrifice being the Lord of the Sabbath with authority to become the giver of sabbath to all who believe on the name of Jesus Christ.

I didn't say that Jesus broke the sabbath, I wrote that Apostle John wrote that Jesus broke the sabbath.

But, since Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17).

"Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?" (Matthew 12:5)

"But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent." (Matthew 12:7)

"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:8)

"It is finished" (John 19:30).

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18)

Jesus is God with authority to give rest every moment of every day.

Lord Jesus was already Lord of the Sabbath when John witnessed the events recorded in John 5:7-18. Jesus told the disciples that the Helper would come and bring things back to their memory (John 14:26).

In Matthew 12:1-8 the Lord Jesus and the disciples were traveling through the grainfields on the Sabbath and the disciples were picking and eating grain when the Pharisees made their accusation. This is NOT an example of Jesus healing the blind - this is traveling and picking grain and eating. Then in verse 9 "Departing from there, He went into their synagogue" in which a change of venue clearly takes place. Verses 10-12 He healed the man's withered hand. Don't forget about John 5:18 "He not only was breaking the Sabbath".

Now, don't get me wrong, Jesus explitily stated:

"it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:12)

At that point, Jesus did not say "keep the Sabbath" rather He said to the man "Stretch out your hand!" The man stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. Something else that Christ Jesus said is that He gives rest because the Lord of the Sabbath is our believers rest!

There is no lawlessness in Christ, but there is lawlessness outside of Christ.

 

[NeedyFollower]

God's ETERNAL LAW are not a SHADOW law of anything. It is God's WORD that says God's LAW (10 Commandments) are God's ETERNAL LAW. These scriptures were posted earlier.

1. God's Law (10 Commandments) was spoken alone by God himself to His people *EXODUS 20:1-22.

Did GOD directly speak the 10 commandments with his own words YES/NO? If YES then according to the scriptures does God's WORD pass away YES/NO?

Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY MATTHEW 25:35.

ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

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2. According to God's WORD, God's LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's WORD also says..

PSALMS 119:142-143 Your RIGHTOEUSNES is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

Clearly the scripture here states that God's RIGHTOUESNESS IS EVERLASTING (ETERNALAL). God's WORD then defines what RIGHTOUESNESS is.

PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Now if God's RIGHTOUESNESS is EVERLASTING and God's WORD DEFINES God's RIGHTESOUNESS as ALL OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, then God's COMMANDMENTS are EVERLASTING (ETERNAL).

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3. God's LAW (10 COMMANDMENTS) were not only the SPOKEN WORD of GOD that God's WORD says is eternal, and God's RIGHTEOUSNESS which is ETERNAL, they are also the sole WORK of GOD alone written with God's own finger on tables of stone.

EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

Clearly God's word shows that God is the author and maker of the 10 commandments. They are the WORK of GOD alone. What does God's WORD say about what GOD does?

ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

Did God make the 10 commandments YES/NO? Are the 10 Commandments the work of God alone YES/NO? If YES do you believe God's WORD that says WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER? God's LAW (10 Commandments) is the WORK of GOD alone and God's WORD alone once again says that GOD'S LAW is FOREVER (ETERNAL).

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God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) are not a shadow of anything. They are how our LOVE to GOD and our fellow man are expressed and the NEW COVENANT promise of God's LAW of LOVE written in the HEART through FAITH so that we can follow God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Let's look at the example of the God's 4th commandment which is the one in question here.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK as a part of the FINISHED WORK of craetion when mankind was in PERFECT HARMONY with God BEFORE SIN entered the world *GENESIS 2:1-3. Now how can God's 4th commandment be a SHADOW law when there was NO SIN and the SABBATH was made as part of the FINISHED WORK of creation?

Your mixing up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 written by MOSES and given after SIN and the fall of mankind that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation from SIN under the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps

Actually , even this world is but a shadow of things to come so I do not believe I am mixing it up , nor am I saying they are done away with ..they were fulfilled and replaced with a better . But being yet still carnal, we are prone to set our affections on things below rather than things above . For example , observing a day rather than observing Christ in His fullness which is better or is only one day better ? For in the new heavens and the new earth , we shall worship Him from one new moon to another and from one sabbath to another . This is from Isaiah 66 :22-23 . I think this was fulfilled in Christ who is not the shadow ...In other words ..every day is the sabbath but I know we obviously disagree . I think everyday is now important , set apart and holy because of Jesus Christ who dwells in us and is also on the right hand of the Father making intercession for the saints...who never sleeps nor slumbers . Eternal in the heavens .
Many 1st century believers were slaves and worked every day but they were Christ' freemen . They dwelt in Him every day . A shadow is cast by another object . Christ is the object ..the true substance of every commandment including the fourth.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hosea 2:11 indicates the end of ALL sabbaths thus pointing at Lord Jesus the One Who would make the perfect sacrifice being the Lord of the Sabbath with authority to become the giver of sabbath to all who believe on the name of Jesus Christ.

Nope. No it doesn't. These are your words not God's WORD. Where does it say in HOSEA 2:11 that it is bringing an end to all Sabbaths?

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, her FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all her SOLEMN FEASTS.

These are the special sabbaths and holy convocations that were in cnnection to ANNUAL FEAST days. As posted earlier the FEAST days and HOLY CONVOCATIONS are in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. HOLY CONVOCATION means CALLED OUT to a PUBLIC ASSEMBLY. Now if there are no more ANNUAL FEAST DAYS and their ANNUAL HOLY CONCOVATIONS (called out public assemblies), How does this effect God's 4th Commandment which is not ANNUAL but WEEKLY?

The SHADOW ceremonial sabbaths have already been defined and shown in the HEBREW word meaning as being "SPECIAL" sabbaths connected to annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These special sabbaths are not God's 4th commandment and were connected directly to these feats and could fall on ANY DAY of the WEEK.

Hosea 2:11 is in reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT in connections to the FEAST days that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

As shown earlier through the scriptures you mix up the Shadow laws from LEVITICUS 23 with Gods' ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken under the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

I didn't say that Jesus broke the sabbath, I wrote that Apostle John wrote that Jesus broke the sabbath.

JOHN was not saying JESUS broke the Sabbath but simply recorded that was what the Pharisees accused him of doing. If JESUS broke any one of God's 10 commandments he would be guilty of SIN (breaking God's LAW) and would not be our perfect sacrifice for sin and mankind would be lost.

But, since Jesus said: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17). "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?" (Matthew 12:5) "But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent." (Matthew 12:7) "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:8) "It is finished" (John 19:30). "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18)

Now your point here is????

Jesus is God with authority to give rest every moment of every day.

God's WORD says God's 4th Commandments is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. We only enter into God's REST if we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBERWS 4:1-10.

Now, don't get me wrong, Jesus explitily stated: "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:12)

INDEED. Thank you. So if JESUS was teaching it is lawful to do GOOD on the SABBATH *MATTHEW 12:1-12 then why is he teachings us about the correct way to keep the SABBATH if in your view we no longer need to keep it? God's WORD disagrees with you here brother and you have acknowledged it.

There is no lawlessness in Christ, but there is lawlessness outside of Christ.

There is only lawlessness in having no law and breaking it.

Hope this helps.

 

[safswan]

Fine post and welcome to our circus.

Thanks for the welcome.Hope the perception of the discussion being a circus can be removed.

 

[safswan]

Hi brother safwan, thanks very much for your post. I have posted on this earlier. I enjoyed reading your post. I am actually surprised that the other person who rated your post agrees with it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

God bless.

I am just thankful it was a blessing and I am hoping it will help to alleviate a common misconception about the passage in question.Thanks.

 

[Kermos]

I can understand why you only part posted me brother. The rest of the post explians why LAWLESSNESS means without LAW and having God's WORD but not following it. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

Complete post sent earlier..

Nope. LAWLESSNESS means to be without LAW. This is the same as having God's WORD and not following God's WORD. JESUS says if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

The Word of God is Jesus as recorded in John 1:1 and John 1:14 and Luke 1:2. The Son of God is God's Word!

I do not disagree that LAWLESSNESS means to be without law. It is your imposition of LAWLESSNESS with the 4th commandment as you try to teach people to keep the Sabbath as opposed to Jesus giving rest per His word! Jesus satisfied the law for us believers per His word here:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

Or, the same word of Jesus with another appropriate synonym:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to complete." (Matthew 5:17)

A few reasons I snipped your post is because there are too many of your words in your post which is already recorded in the thread, the quote links back to your post for reference, and I do not dispute that LAWLESSNESS means without law. I am by NO means trying to make it disappear, that is you bearing false witness against me which is a breach of the 10 commandments for you, but I forgive you.

So, again, you disagree with Jesus who is God. Jesus said:

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (John 14:15)

Your words try to get other people to ignore the meaning of "It is finished" at the cross. You write the implication that people that do not keep the Sabbath are practicing LAWLESSNESS, but people keeping the Sabbath are not producing fruit in line with Jesus' word (John 14:15) which is LAWLESSNESS.

 

[safswan]

Hosea 2:11 indicates the end of ALL sabbaths thus pointing at Lord Jesus the One Who would make the perfect sacrifice being the Lord of the Sabbath with authority to become the giver of sabbath to all who believe on the name of Jesus Christ.

Regardless of which Sabbaths are being referred to here,how does this passage indicates the end of all Sabbaths forever?

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17).

I am not sure of your reason for using this passage but it seems out of place here as it does not really support your position.See post #725 for a proper understanding of the passage.

 

[ace of hearts]

Has Heaven and Earth passed away? Has all been fulfilled? Has JESUS returned?

The verse provides a condition for the law to pass. It says unless all be fulfilled heaven and earth can't pass away.

Jesus said -

LK 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

You can argue all you wish against this being a reference to Mat 5:17-18. But Heb 7:12 is proof jots and tittles has passed from the law. Jesus can't be a priest according to the law because He's from the tribe of Judah. Jesus isn't from the tribe of Levi required to be a priest. If Jesus isn't your priest (intermediary with the Father) you don't have salvation.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9; HEBREWS 10 are talking about the SANCTUARY and ceremonial SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC Book of the law for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood; Sanctuary service; animal sacrifices and sin offereings) all pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. These are not talking about God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

If this is true, then Col 2:16-17 is true about the sabbath passing because the weekly sabbath is clearly called a shadow.

INDEED for example JAMES says that if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

You've no idea what James is talking about or to whom.

You are confused here brother. EPHESIANS 2:15 is talking about the laws in ORDINANCES not God's 10 commandments and in GALATIANS 3:19-22 the scriptures are only saying what I have already shared with you and that is that the role of Gods LAW is to be our teacher to show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. The purpose of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

No, because I understand what an ordinance is. An ordinance is codified written law. The verse says laws contained in writing (an ordinance). The verse doesn't say law and ordinances.

As shown earlier through the scriptures, God's LAW is not separated from LOVE. God's 10 commandments are how LOVE is expressed to our GOD and fellow man *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31.

The famous 10 are given only to Israel per Moses as I've shown you previously in several posts both from Exodus and Deuteronomy. They're not given to the whole world nor are they part of the New Covenant per Jeremiah.

As shown through the OP there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4? I know who I believe.

Hope this helps.

So you make up a scarecrow. Who cares? Maybe the ignorant and those who have no idea because of the double speak from the bully pulpit in so called pro grace churches. All most all of them preach fear and demand control of their subjects.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that was quick. Welcome back brother. I thought you said your not posting for a while? Anyhow nice to see you again. As posted earlier. HOSEA 2:11 is talking about the end of the annual FEAST DAYS of LEVITICUS 23. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandments is every week (SEVENTH DAY). It is a memorial of CREATION *EXIDUS 20:8-11; GENESIS 2:1-3 and not only once a year. Check out the scriptures. They are God's WORD not mine. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

Hope this helps.

Unless your year is 6 days long the first feast day is the weekly sabbath Lev 23:2 and 3.

 

[ace of hearts]

I can understand why you did not want to add the resd of the post you are quoting from as it leaves out all the scriptures you claim are missing. Here let me add the rest of the post back for context...

You mix up the SHADOW sabbaths from the MOSIAC book of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 in FEAST days *LEVITICUS 23:24; 32; 39 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

1. THE ANNUAL SHADOW FEAST SABBATHS <PLURAL> from the SHADOW laws of Moses *EXODUS 24:7 are special annual ceremonial sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

The Hebrew Word for these sabbaths is H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' is From H7676; and means a sabbatism or SPECIAL HOLIDAY: - rest, sabbath.

This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing God's plan of salvation.

2. GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT WEEKLY SABBATH which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God says is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

Hope this helps

There are quite a few words in Hebrew meaning the weekly sabbath. I'm really not interested in listing them unless you pester me about it. It really wouldn't be on topic for this thread.

 

[ace of hearts]

The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar.

You are correct aoh, the lunar Sabbath day varies each month and certainly is not the solar, Sabbath day equivalent. They most certainly rest on different Sabbath days compared to the law abiding Jews in Jerusalem.

The law dictates the lunar Sabbath day but that creates mayhem for the legalist, because a lunar Sabbath occurs on differing solar days in each month. Working life for the SDA would be impossible.

So obviously aon, they cannot obey the law to the letter as far as the Sabbath day is concerned.

If they wish to rest on a solar Sabbath day then they can rest on that day. God will judge them anyway regardless of the day that the Sabbath occurs.

The entire law was merely the blue print describing the fulfillment of all things by Jesus Christ. God cares not for the sacred festival assemblies nor for the Sabbaths, God is only interested in the new creation in Christ.

Agreed. This is in addition to my regular discussion about Ex 20:8-11.

 

[ace of hearts]

Now after 39 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

Must not be much interest in the OP.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all brother. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Then our Bibles must have some extra verses in them.

 

[Kermos]

snip... You say that I have not answered you, but I indeed answered you with His Word but you do not hear him because you have chosen not to hear his Word to you. I do not judge you but His Word will judge us because they are there for all to see. All are welcome to see and hear God's Word, however many are called but few are chosen.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the WORD of God).

You claim you answered me, but you answer in your words interpersed among Scripture in an attempt to alter the meaning of Scripture, for example you added the word DOING to Romans 13:8, but the word DOING is not there in the Greek. The true and accurate translation into English from the Greek for Romans 13:8 is both of these:

he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled [the] law.
he who loves his neighbor has satisfied [the] law.

Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28)

"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words" (John 14:23-24)

That is three paragraphs of the Word of God!

Again you bear false witness against me, this time your words accuse me of choosing not to hear. That is a judgement, and you are issuing it. You follow the accusation with more of your words saying that you are not judging me.

I, a formerly dead rebel saturated in sin, have been purchased by the Blood of Jesus Christ. It is this great God that opened my heart! The word that Jesus speaks are sweet milk and honey in my ears.

Again, I forgive you.

The Word of God says He is come to satisfy the law (Matthew 11:28). The previous sentence is truth!

 

[Neogaia777]

The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar.

You are correct aoh, the lunar Sabbath day varies each month and certainly is not the solar, Sabbath day equivalent. They most certainly rest on different Sabbath days compared to the law abiding Jews in Jerusalem.

The law dictates the lunar Sabbath day but that creates mayhem for the legalist, because a lunar Sabbath occurs on differing solar days in each month. Working life for the SDA would be impossible.

So obviously aon, they cannot obey the law to the letter as far as the Sabbath day is concerned.

If they wish to rest on a solar Sabbath day then they can rest on that day. God will judge them anyway regardless of the day that the Sabbath occurs.

The entire law was merely the blue print describing the fulfillment of all things by Jesus Christ. God cares not for the sacred festival assemblies nor for the Sabbaths, God is only interested in the new creation in Christ.

I'd like to hear @LoveGodsWord response or opinion to or on this...?

Or an SDA view even...?

I've been trying to say and point this out in so many words, but @klutedavid puts it much better than I can...

They think, and pride themselves on this whole issue, but while they think they are keeping and obeying it, they really are not, not technically, or literally, and they are actually breaking God's law, and not just in not keeping it, but in other ways also associated with their thinking they are keeping and obeying it (True Sabbath) and priding themselves on it or that, judging others over and for it, ect...

God Bless!

 

[safswan]

The Sabbath day according to the law is calculated from the occurrence of the new moon, which is a lunar calendar.

You are correct aoh, the lunar Sabbath day varies each month and certainly is not the solar, Sabbath day equivalent. They most certainly rest on different Sabbath days compared to the law abiding Jews in Jerusalem.

Could you cite or quote the scripture which shows this?