WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

In this very post you wrote that Jesus did not satisfy God's Law in the 4th paragraph, 1st sentence. In the balance of the self-same sentence, you words say that Jesus did not satisfy the law.

Now your just making things up. If JESUS did not satisfy the law and the prophets then he would not be our perfect sacrifice and mankind would be lost. Your claims are false ones. I have never said that Jesus never satisfied the law and the prophets ever! You were asked in the post you are quoting from to please provide me a like where I have ever posted this false claim. You never provided any. Then you claim is that I say Jesus did not satisfy the law and the prophets in the 4th paragraph in the first sentance of the post you are quoting from where I asked you to post a link to prove your claim. This is what was posted here...

LGW wrote; JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW so that we are free to break it (SIN).

Either you misunderstand what has been posted to you of your deliberately try to twist my words to try and say what they are not saying. Which is it? The sentence above does not say JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW and the prophets it says that he did not satisfy the law and the prophets so that we are free to break them as it says in the scripture. Think NOT that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... MATTHEW 5:17. This claim of yours is sad for you.

It is clear in your words of your post that you purport it is necessary to keep the 4th Commandment in order to be saved because you use the words "CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN" which means that you do not believe that Jesus satisfies the Law.

Well that statement has no truth in it. As posted earlier to you and elswhere, we are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following the Word of God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

As shown through the OP there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4? I know who I believe.

In Truth, Jesus Christ has become our believers righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21) and satisfied the law (Matthew 5:17) at the cross (John 19:30) by being our believers propitiation (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus said: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17) "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28) "It is finished" (John 19:30)

JESUS is indeed our rightouesness. Without him we have and can do nothing at all. However, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets (MATTHEW 5:17). JESUS did not die for our sins so that we can continue to sin.
All those who continue in known unrepentant SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

LOVE is the fulfilling of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandment) in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Salvation is from sin not to continue to sin *JOHN 8:31-36. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST.

I am awaiting to hear back from the moderators about something, so I do not plan to post further until then.

Indeed you need to be careful what you post here. I only wish you all love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost and will pray that you will consider the scriptures provided here brother and hope to see you again some time.

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)

 

[ace of hearts]

Hi brother safwan, thanks very much for your post. I have posted on this earlier. I enjoyed reading your post. I am actually surprised that the other person who rated your post agrees with it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

God bless.

My guess is one of us misread the post. Perhaps you keyed on a single sentence - "We can't claim to have love and break or disregard these commandments." I looked at the whole post. The new poster doesn't focus on law keeping. The phrase I quoted from the post only shows that they missed a verse or 2 like -

Lk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

or Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Personally I don't think from the post they support keeping the 7th day sabbath. I certainly didn't gather they were promoting the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My guess is one of us misread the post. Perhaps you keyed on a single sentence - "We can't claim to have love and break or disregard these commandments." I looked at the whole post. The new poster doesn't focus on law keeping. The phrase I quoted from the post only shows that they missed a verse or 2 like -

Lk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

or Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Personally I don't think from the post they support keeping the 7th day sabbath. I certainly didn't gather they were promoting the law.

I do not need to say anything here

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In you requiring Christians to fulfill (do) the law you claim Jesus didn't meet these requirements for us. This goes against the concept of substitutionary atonement taught and practice in the OT. Essentially you don't accept what Jesus did for us.

Well that statement is not true. Please post where I have ever said JESUS did not satisfy the LAW? If I have never made such statements why pretend that I have? If I have never said that JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW then you have nothing to argue about have you because you are making things up I have never said. Please do not make up things I have never said it is not honest.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD.

Your verse doesn't say anything close to what you seem to try and say it does. Your used of the verse is a personal attack on the poster by fraudulently using the Scripture.This is only more abuse and misuse of Scripture backed up with Deut 5:3 and the fact there's no mention of the sabbath until Ex 16.

Well that is not true brother. God's 4th COMMANDMENT SEVENTH DAY SABBATH has its origin in creation on the SVENTH DAY of the creation week.

GENESIS 2:1-3
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.

QUESTIONS:

Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!

Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.

This is where everything in your posting falls to pieces and the scriptures quoted in your post do not support your post because UNLIKE the MOSAIC book of the COVENANT God's SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD and BEFORE a need for God's PLAN of salvation to which the SHADOWS pointed.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Interesting. There are also no Jews (Israeli) in Christ Jesus. Those in Christ Jesus have nothing to do with the covenant given to Israel in the desert after departing from Egypt. Moses says very clearly the covenant was made only with Israel, not the whole world. Even if he did Jeremiah and Jesus together by pass that covenant which you claim is both eternal and made with all mankind against what even you claim is the Scripture. Appropriate passages have already been quoted to you.

God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (the Church). If we are not a part of God's ISREAL, then we have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

HEBREWS 8:10-12 (from JEREMIAH 31:31-34; EZEKIEL 36:26-27)
[10], FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

NEED MORE SCRIPTURE (Click me).

This cause a problem for you and your argument by your general posting.It's only because you either delete or disregard them in unbelief.According to you all who don't follow the law have no salvation (eternal life). Just isn't what the Gospel of John says.NoThis makes Jeremiah a false prophet and Jesus a false teacher not to mention John also being a false teacher.Doesn't say a single word about duty.So your select human (secular) history is a fraud. I think you use select secular history fraudulently.

There are no Gentiles anymore. We are all one in Christ. We are only not UNDER THE LAW if we have been forgiven for breaking God's LAW and no longer continuing in sin *ROMANS 3:19-20; ROMANS 8:1-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

As shown in this thread and elswhere. There is no scriptures that say God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 Commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11 that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.

Accoding to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God in MATTHEW 15:3-9. Because God's WORD says that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is FOREVER. Scripture support here click me. Because they are our duty of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man *MATTHEW 22:36-40

There is Human History and biblical History. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You start your post attacking the poster which is against the rules of the forum. Since you want people to believe you why is it you refuses to follow the rules you said you would to post in CF.

Well that claim is not true brother. I have only stated a post is not true and provided scripture to show why because only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Since you seem to believe I've no idea what Rom 3:4 says, here it is in full glory -

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

It has nothing to do with any part of the discussion about keeping the law (famous 10). You're clearly using it to attack posters. This is against the rules of this forum. Yes I understand your privileges are above the rules and won't be enforced.

Maybe you have a misunderstanding of what I have posted. I have not once called you a liar brother but have simply stated that ONLY God's WORD is true *ROMANS 3:4 and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Our opinions matter little only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God not me. I know who I BELIEVE *ACTS 5:29. When posting ROMANS 3:4 it is only to show that our words and opinions do not matter and only God's WORD is true. This applies to me also as God's WORD is for all.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you start off by calling the poster a lair. Great defense.Please explain how your verse says the Sabbath is the Lord's Day. The wording you require from us isn't found in Scripture concerning the sabbath.

Not at all. As posted earlier. I have only stated that the post provided was not true and provided God's WORD to show why. I have also asked for any scripture that proves that Sunday or the first day of the week is the "LORD'S DAY". No one has provided any. Who then should we believe? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. As posted earlier...

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Accoding to God's WORD alone the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is a distortion or misrepresentation of Scripture. John doesn't say or imply keeping the law (famous 10) anywhere in any of his works.This is a distortion or misrepresentation of Scripture. John doesn't say or imply keeping the law (famous 10) anywhere in any of his works.This is a distortion or misrepresentation of Scripture. John doesn't say or imply keeping the law (famous 10) anywhere in any of his works.What do you mean to convey with this passage? If I understand what you're trying to say this is also a distortion or misrepresentation of Scripture. John doesn't say or imply keeping the law (famous 10) anywhere in any of his works.Besides your misapplication and twisting of 1 Jn 3:4 you also provide evidence your from the devil in verse 8 in your above quote.IOW those who don't keep the law don't have eternal life conflicting with several passages from the Gospel of John which you can't reconcile with your above statement. Oh and since you'll claim I didn't already post them, here they are again -

Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

There's nothing about keeping any part of the law.
No problem. Moses says this isn't our covenant in Deut 5:1-3. Jesus says the New Covenant promised by Jeremiah 31:31-33 is now active in LK 22:20.So is your version of sabbath keeping. Now we're on level ground.So your required words aren't found in Scripture. You seem to think this validates those who worship on Sunday are worshiping in vain meaning God disregards their worship. How foolish and vain can a person be?I've no idea why you ask such questions when you clearly don't.

Well that is not true brother.

WHAT IS SIN?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

links to...

1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.

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CONCLUSION: Sin is indeed defined in God's WORD as breaking any of the 10 Commandments in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

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So now that we have defined what SIN is and JOHN, JAMES and PAUL all agree that SIN is breaking any one of God's 10 commandments lets look at what JOHN says..

1 JOHN 2:1-4.
[1], MY LITTLE CHILDREN, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT (Do not break God's 10 commandments). And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

NOTE: This is very important as it states the very reason why JOHN is writting the epistle of all of 1 JOHN and that is that WE SIN NOT!

[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. <Remember 1 JOHN 1:5-6 walking in light and darkness>

NOTE: Same theme being presented in v3-4 those who walk in darkness do not keep God's Commandments. God's people keep God's Commandments. The context is that we SIN NOT.
Now to show that we are talking about God's 10 commandments here we need to define from God's WORD what sin is as the reason for JOHNS epeistle is that we SIN not.

1 JOHN 3:3-15
[3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

NOTE: JOHN is continuing his theme; that we sin not or do not break any of God's 10 Commandments

[5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not [does not break God's 10 Commandments]: whosoever sins [breaks God's 10 Commandments] hath not seen him, neither known him

NOTE: v6 links to what JOHN says in 1 JOHN 2:3-4. v4 HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

NOTE: Righteousness is defined as not breaking God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172

[8], He that commits sin [breaks God's 10 Commandments] is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[9], Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [does not knowingly break God's 10 Commandments]; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: The born again believer does not practice known sin or does not knowingly break any one of God's 10 Commandments.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is the distinguishing point and shows who God's children are and the children of the devil. The children of God do not knowingly practice sin or keep God's 10 commandments. The Children of the devil practice sin or break any one of God's 10 Commandments. This also links back what JOHN says the the previous chapter in 1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. The same is outlined of the children of God in ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; REVELATION 12:17; REVALATION 14:12 and REVELATION 22:14.

[11], For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

NOTE: Because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and is why JESUS says ON THESE TWO great commandments of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10.

[12], Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

[13], Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

[14], We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.

[15], Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

NOTE: The context here is still that we sin not or break any of God's 10 Commandments. JOHN is using the example of Cain and Able and MURDER, which is Gods 6th commandment *EXODUS 20:13

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CONCLUSION: ALL the CONTEXT here is for 1 JOHN 1:23 which is talking about BELIEVING God's WORD and LOVE. The CONTEXT is that anyone who breaks any of God's 10 Commandments does not know GOD. This is the difference between the Children of God and the children of the devil.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I've been discussing the Scripture. What have you been doing? I read lots quotes and references from you with no discussion about the ones I request discussion on. Furthermore you generally choose to ignore most of my quotes and references. Why? You do claim to love God's Word. I think you'd be over joyed to do as I ask from you.

Well that is not true brother. I have gone through your posts section by section and scripture by scripture in most cases showing context you leave out of your interpretation. These posts are only sent in love as a help to you. I have only shared God's WORD with you. Did you wish to discuss it or anything in the OP?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why do you continue to violate the TOS you agreed to?

I do not

 

[LoveGodsWord]

They most certainly do address what you're promoting. Your demand seem to be limiting discussion to only the verse you present and nothing else. If this was done you'd have plenty of fodder for your cannon. You've been told many of you passages, especially from the OT are directly spoken or given to Israel. That means all your NT quotes tied to the OT passages are the same. Your new favorite from Mat 12:8 doesn't say what you want it to say. Other than an unsupportable statement about it you say nothing.

Not at all please post the scriptures that teach that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Your also welcome to post any scripture from the bible that answers any of the other 26 questions in the OP if you like? The OP here is asking where is the scripture that God's 4th commandment is ablished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? So far you have provided none. As shown in the NEW COVENANT scriptures God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Distorted? Let's try Rom 7:6. Misrepresent. Let's try Jn 14:15 or LK 16:16.No Mat 15:3-9 doesn't worry me in the least. I don't claim to do something I don't do.

Really? How so? I am happy to re-post with a detailed scripture reply showning the context you leave out of your interpretation that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is Abolished. Just let me know?

According to God's WORD though God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in under the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50

Did you have any scriptures to share in relation to the OP?

 

[ace of hearts]

Rubbish. Now your just making things up. If JESUS did not satisfy the law and the prophets then he would not be our perfect sacrifice and mankind would be lost. Your claims are false ones. I have never said that Jesus never satisfied the law and the prophets ever! You were asked in the post you are quoting from to please provide me a like where I have ever posted this false claim. You never provided any. Then you claim is that I say Jesus did not satisfy the law and the prophets in the 4th paragraph in the first sentance of the post you are quoting from where I asked you to post a link to prove your claim. This is what was posted here...

I think the word satisfy is a poor choice. If I were to get away from the word fulfill, I might use complete. The word satisfy also means to complete a contract or other obligation. Jesus certainly did this.

Either you misunderstand what has been posted to you of your deliberately try to twist my words to try and say what they are not saying. Which is it? The sentence above does not say JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW and the prophets it says that he did not satisfy the law and the prophets so that we are free to break them as it says in the scripture. Think NOT that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... MATTHEW 5:17. This claim of yours is sad for you.

What does the following verse say? -

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

It's obvious jots and tittles of the law have passed by Heb 7:12 alone. Both James and Paul say it's all the law or none. The Gospels of Luke and John indicate the law is by passed. Gal 3:19 says the law was for a season. Eph 2:15 says the law is abolished. What do you want? I'm not cutting any of the above out of my Bible nor choosing to disregard them.

Well that statement has no truth in it. As posted earlier to you and elswhere, we are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

But you totally disregard your Eph 2:8 reference with the requirement to keep the law. So which is it? Besides that you refuse to accept the free gift talked about in Rom 6:23 and demand your wages which you'll get and not want. I already said you can have mine.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following the Word of God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Jesus also says -

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

It is very obvious Jesus isn't teaching and requiring law keeping. The commandments of Jesus are the the commandments of Our Father in this verse. Jesus gives a new commandment -

Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

This isn't a quote from the OT given by God the Father to Israel.

As shown through the OP there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4? I know who I believe.

Well you tried to show that and call us a liar with Rom 3:4.

JESUS is indeed our rightouesness. Without him we have and can do nothing at all. However, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets (MATTHEW 5:17). JESUS did not die for our sins so that we can continue to sin.

You don't believe that as evidenced with your next statement below.

All those who continue in known unrepentant SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
LOVE is the fulfilling of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandment) in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Salvation is from sin not to continue to sin *JOHN 8:31-36. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST.

The Great News is Jesus redeemed us from therefore having no need of the law. Those before the law knew right (good) from wrong (evil/sin) without the law.

Indeed you need to be careful what you post here. I only wish you all love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost and will pray that you will consider the scriptures provided here brother and hope to see you again some time.

True, so why aren't more careful?

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)

Indeed we do.
We don't listen to you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where is this non existent passage of Scripture? Your above quote still doesn't say - "the sabbath is the Lord's Day.

No explanation needed here. Let God's WORD do the talking maybe you missed it.

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

There is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY or the FIRST DAY of the week is the LORD'S DAY. There is only scripture that shows that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY.

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[Kermos]

Not really brother. HOSEA 2:11 is talking about the end of the annual FEAST DAYS of LEVITICUS 23. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandments is every week (SEVENTH DAY). It is a memorial of CREATION *EXIDUS 20:8-11; GENESIS 2:1-3 and not only once a year.

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There you go again, inserting your words among the scripture to try to alter the true meaning.

I quoted Leviticus 23:1-3 which explicitly mentions the weekly Sabbaths. You say it's either not there or not relevant, but Leviticus 23 starts with YHWH telling Moses "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think the word satisfy is a poor choice. If I were to get away from the word fulfill, I might use complete. The word satisfy also means to complete a contract or other obligation. Jesus certainly did this.What does the following verse say? -18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Has Heaven and Earth passed away? Has all been fulfilled? Has JESUS returned?

It's obvious jots and tittles of the law have passed by Heb 7:12 alone.

HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9; HEBREWS 10 are talking about the SANCTUARY and ceremonial SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC Book of the law for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood; Sanctuary service; animal sacrifices and sin offereings) all pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. These are not talking about God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Both James and Paul say it's all the law or none.

INDEED for example JAMES says that if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

The Gospels of Luke and John indicate the law is by passed. Gal 3:19 says the law was for a season. Eph 2:15 says the law is abolished. What do you want?

You are confused here brother. EPHESIANS 2:15 is talking about the laws in ORDINANCES not God's 10 commandments and in GALATIANS 3:19-22 the scriptures are only saying what I have already shared with you and that is that the role of Gods LAW is to be our teacher to show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. The purpose of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

I'm not cutting any of the above out of my Bible nor choosing to disregard them.But you totally disregard your Eph 2:8 reference with the requirement to keep the law. So which is it? Besides that you refuse to accept the free gift talked about in Rom 6:23 and demand your wages which you'll get and not want. I already said you can have mine.Jesus also says - Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.It is very obvious Jesus isn't teaching and requiring law keeping. The commandments of Jesus are the the commandments of Our Father in this verse. Jesus gives a new commandment - Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. This isn't a quote from the OT given by God the Father to Israel.Well you tried to show that and call us a liar with Rom 3:4.You don't believe that as evidenced with your next statement below.The Great News is Jesus redeemed us from therefore having no need of the law. Those before the law knew right (good) from wrong (evil/sin) without the law.True, so why aren't more careful?Indeed we do.We don't listen to you.

As shown earlier through the scriptures, God's LAW is not separated from LOVE. God's 10 commandments are how LOVE is expressed to our GOD and fellow man *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31.

As shown through the OP there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4? I know who I believe.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There you go again, inserting your words among the scripture to try to alter the true meaning.

I quoted Leviticus 23:1-3 which explicitly mentions the weekly Sabbaths. You say it's either not there or not relevant, but Leviticus 23 starts with YHWH telling Moses "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them".

Well that was quick. Welcome back brother. I thought you said your not posting for a while? Anyhow nice to see you again. As posted earlier. HOSEA 2:11 is talking about the end of the annual FEAST DAYS of LEVITICUS 23. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandments is every week (SEVENTH DAY). It is a memorial of CREATION *EXIDUS 20:8-11; GENESIS 2:1-3 and not only once a year. Check out the scriptures. They are God's WORD not mine. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. HOSEA 2:11 means exaclty what it means no more ANNUAL sabbaths connected to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. If there is not more ANNUAL FEAST DAYS there is no more ANNUAL SABBATHS this does not effect God's 4th commandment which is also outside of the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS and is weekly being one of God's 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:1-17 that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11.

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[Kermos]

You mix up the SHADOW sabbaths from the MOSIAC book of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 in FEAST days *LEVITICUS 23:24; 32; 39 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.
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Again with your words trying to define what scripture says, but scripture does not say. You try to separate the Law of Moses from the Ten commandments from the Torah from the Law with your words in your very first sentence. God's Word recorded by the Prophet Hosea (Hosea 2:11) disagrees with you as is proven by Leviticus 23 followed by the words of Jesus Christ in John 5:7-18. You keep mixing your words into your explanation of scripture, but your words are not God's Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again with your words trying to define what scripture says, but scripture does not say. You try to separate the Law of Moses from the Ten commandments from the Torah from the Law with your words in your very first sentence. God's Word recorded by the Prophet Hosea (Hosea 2:11) disagrees with you as is proven by Leviticus 23 followed by the words of Jesus Christ in John 5:7-18. You keep mixing your words into your explanation of scripture, but your words are not God's Word.

I can understand why you did not want to add the all the post of what you are quoting from as it leaves out all the scriptures you claim are missing. Here let me add the rest of the post back for context...

You mix up the SHADOW sabbaths from the MOSIAC book of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 in FEAST days *LEVITICUS 23:24; 32; 39 with God's ETERNAL LAW in the NEW COVENANT (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

1. THE ANNUAL SHADOW FEAST SABBATHS <PLURAL> from the SHADOW laws of Moses *EXODUS 24:7 are special annual ceremonial sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

The Hebrew Word for these sabbaths is H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' is From H7676; and means a sabbatism or SPECIAL HOLIDAY: - rest, sabbath.

This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing God's plan of salvation.

2. GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT WEEKLY SABBATH which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and means H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God says is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

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